ccc Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 What you wrote is the hedonist credo. Hedonistic ? Or realistic ? Nothing wrong with living life for pleasure. And this does not necessarily mean anyone else has to suffer as a result. I am just saying that realising you are pretty much nothing is extremely liberating. And it does not mean you have to treat others like shit either. Just undersatnd that they are equally as unimportant, in the grand scale of things, as you are. You will be happier. They will be happier. I am pretty much certain of that. Anyway - works for me. So as they say - if it aint broke dont fix it. PS - Was just in Poland for 3 days. And that was certainly a bit hedonistic. Bevvy, bevvy and more bevvy. And the birds. Ouch !! Not that I got any but my eyes certainly got a good ******ing. that's better So would you care to explain what inconsious devil worshiper means ? As wise eagle is not living up to their username. I have one rule - treat others how you would want to be treated. Edited to add: that's why I will probably never be rich. Nothing wrong with that. Just appreciate we are all nothing - here to just enjoy our lives - and get on with it. I don't mean I just get on and have a fun filled life at the expense of others. Quite the opposite really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomandlu Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 That depends on how you define sanity. Well, not thinking the royal family are all satanists would be a start... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Well, not thinking the royal family are all satanists would be a start... That was rather presumptuous... everyone knows they're actually lizards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Well, not thinking the royal family are all satanists would be a start... Why? The royal family are freemasons of the highest order, freemasons (at least at higher levels, the lower levels aren't exposed to that so much to keep up the appearances) are devil worshippers of the worst kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 We need to suffer, to understand the devil. I do not mean the fear of suffering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Just appreciate we are all nothing - here to just enjoy our lives - and get on with it. Your almost nihilistic world view saddens me, sure life should be joyful, but that's not it's primary or only purpose. We are all interconnected souls, far from the 'nothing' you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Lorne Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Most of the posters on this thread are insane. ...it takes the insane to recognise the insane..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Your almost nihilistic world view saddens me, sure life should be joyful, but that's not it's primary or only purpose. We are all interconnected souls, far from the 'nothing' you are talking about. If you treat people like they're "nothing" then you dehumanise them, which opens the door to a whole load of evil, and I'm not talking about a cheeky chubby chappy with a trident, but real sickening darkness. Everyone has value, remember that, if you ignore it then you devalue yourself. Edited February 15, 2011 by sillybear2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Your almost nihilistic world view saddens me, sure life should be joyful, but that's not it's primary or only purpose. We are all interconnected souls, far from the 'nothing' you are talking about. Why should life have a purpose ? My purpose is me. That is my life. When I die that is it - gone. Done. End of story. This doesn't mean you have to forget everything else in your life. Family / friends and all. Of course not. It doesn't mean that you cannot be a good person, try to thlep others and the rest of it. However it also doesn't mean you should be delusional about how important you are. Because nobody is. When looking at the bigger picture. My life has a point - to enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 If you treat people like they're "nothing" then you dehumanise them I think you have confused me with ccc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomandlu Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Why? The royal family are freemasons of the highest order, freemasons (at least at higher levels, the lower levels aren't exposed to that so much to keep up the appearances) are devil worshippers of the worst kind. So... you join the freemasons, potter along for awhile with your trowel and apron and what-not, all goes well, you move up in the ranks, and then one day they ask you if you'd like to worship satan? And the only people who know about this are nutcases on the internet? Occam's razor says 'no'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I think you have confused me with ccc. Sorry, more of a collective "you". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 If you treat people like they're "nothing" then you dehumanise them, which opens the door to a whole load of evil, and I'm not talking about a cheeky chubby chappy with a trident, but real sickening darkness. Everyone has value, remember that, if you ignore it then you devalue yourself. Wrong. I think you are taking the word too literally. I mean 'nothing' as in not important - in the bigger scale of things. And that is the important point I am making. Your family will be important to you. You will be important to them. But put together and as part of the Universe as a whole ? Nope - you are not important. How exactly does treating people like nothing - 'dehumanise' us ? I see it as quite the opposite. We are humans. We are not important. The sooner we realise this the better. The opposite is far more damaging IMO. We like to tell ourselves we are important beings, and this just leads to delusions of power IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 My life has a point - to enjoy it. Im guessing you do not have children as I believe if you did, you might have a different view on life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Why should life have a purpose ? My purpose is me. That is my life. When I die that is it - gone. Done. End of story. This doesn't mean you have to forget everything else in your life. Family / friends and all. Of course not. It doesn't mean that you cannot be a good person, try to thlep others and the rest of it. However it also doesn't mean you should be delusional about how important you are. Because nobody is. When looking at the bigger picture. My life has a point - to enjoy it. See you are already contraddicting yourself. I life really had no other purpose than to enjoy it and once you die that's the end of the story, then why do you need to be a 'good person' at all? The fact that you nevertheless seem to say that you still follow some moral guidelines means that deep down you know too that life is not just for fun. Even if for some it buried deep, we all have the truth in us, it's just a matter of finding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomandlu Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 If you treat people like they're "nothing" then you dehumanise them I don't want to speak for anyone else, but thinking that this life is all we've got and recognising our insignificance is not the same as treating people as nothing. Indeed, it can mean the exact opposite. That said, it's not my view that we are insignificant - intelligence and self-awareness are a true gift of the universe and we shouldn't belittle the wonder of that gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sillybear2 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I don't want to speak for anyone else, but thinking that this life is all we've got and recognising our insignificance is not the same as treating people as nothing. Indeed, it can mean the exact opposite. That said, it's not my view that we are insignificant - intelligence and self-awareness are a true gift of the universe and we shouldn't belittle the wonder of that gift. Ok, I understand your 3rd rock from the sun existential angst. But remember if you're selfish then you can cause real pain and suffering to other people, and that's 'real'. So yeah, always think beyond yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearfaced-Chic Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 It's times like these that I like to ask myself "What would Thor do?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomandlu Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 It's times like these that I like to ask myself "What would Thor do?" Thor's a dick. All the cool kids worship Cthulu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearfaced-Chic Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Thor's a dick. All the cool kids worship Cthulu. Cthulu is very cool! But all the eyes and tentacles put me off. Seriously though, the overbearing self-righteousness of some people on this thread just reinforces my view of organised religion. And talking of 'morality' as if there is one pure unswerving version, and anyone who doesn't follow this dogma should either be pitied or persecuted is one of the reasons why the world is as it is. One man's good is another man's evil, but everyone thinks they're 'right'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eagle Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 So... you join the freemasons, potter along for awhile with your trowel and apron and what-not, all goes well, you move up in the ranks, and then one day they ask you if you'd like to worship satan? And the only people who know about this are nutcases on the internet? Occam's razor says 'no'... Obviously this is not the kind of definitive proof you are looking for but it's nonetheless interesting in a sort of disturbing way: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Im guessing you do not have children as I believe if you did, you might have a different view on life. I am sure that is true. And I am told it by many people. However I choose not to and I have a great time. I think kids are a lot like religion in this respect. Many people need them to have a reason for living. Without them they would probably think - just what is the point ? For me that is not an issue. I don't need a point to live. Personally I think that makes me a stronger more relaxed person. I am sure others would disagree. Of course others will point out it is our main point in life to procreate. And whilst that is clearly true for evolution and all the rest of it. I don't think it requires to be true for everybody. See you are already contraddicting yourself. I life really had no other purpose than to enjoy it and once you die that's the end of the story, then why do you need to be a 'good person' at all? The fact that you nevertheless seem to say that you still follow some moral guidelines means that deep down you know too that life is not just for fun. Even if for some it buried deep, we all have the truth in us, it's just a matter of finding it. When did I say you had to be a 'good person'. I didn't. I just said that treating others like you/they were nothing did not have to lead to you being 'bad'. Then again what is bad or good is quite subjective for most things. What is a moral guideline ? I do what I want and it is up to me whether I think it is right or not. I don't see that as having anything to do with having a point in existence or not. I just do it on a case by case basis. I don't want to speak for anyone else, but thinking that this life is all we've got and recognising our insignificance is not the same as treating people as nothing. Indeed, it can mean the exact opposite. That said, it's not my view that we are insignificant - intelligence and self-awareness are a true gift of the universe and we shouldn't belittle the wonder of that gift. Exactly - as I have already said. I think some people are getting mixed up here with their own preconceptions. They see it as '"ou are nothing so ****** you and I will do what you want I am gonna dehumanise you coz you are nothing we are all nothing - ****** you and everyone else" When in fact I see it as " I am nothing and you are nothing and at the end of the day we are not important so lets just ******ing enjoy ourselves and not worry about things too much" I have met a few people who live their lives like the second part. And they seem to do very nicely and be incredibly content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinAndPlatonic Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) CCC : I have a great time. I think kids are a lot like religion in this respect. Many people need them to have a reason for living. Without them they would probably think - just what is the point ? For me that is not an issue. I don't need a point to live. Personally I think that makes me a stronger more relaxed person. I am sure others would disagree. I do not have children but over time have come to the conclusion that the most fulfilling and productive way to live, is to help or give to others, especially family and more especially younger people or children of our own. I believe these ideas are not unique to me but are needs that are almost universal to human beings. Just to live for ourselves, is really a waste of our lives and doesn`t make us stronger, but actually makes us weaker, which we only come to realise near the ends of our lives. Edited February 15, 2011 by GinAndPlatonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 ....there is a thin line between sanity and insanity, whatever side you are on just try to enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 What is a moral guideline ? I do what I want and it is up to me whether I think it is right or not. I don't see that as having anything to do with having a point in existence or not. I just do it on a case by case basis. What part of town do you live in? Are you surrounded by people with certain values who follow some established rules (kind, non-violent, etc.) I bet you are. You see, if you believed in what you preach, you would buy a flat on a deprived estate where people do what they want and it is up to them whether they think it is right or not. I recommend you read 'Crime and Punishment' or any other work critical of Kant's ideas. However I really don't believe you are geniuine in your nihilism. If you were, you wouldn't have any friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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