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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/iran-police-disperse-tens-thousands-tehran-protesters-teargas-rioting-spreads-follow-events-

Blink and you will miss the latest revolution. Algeria riots yesterday, Bahrain earlier today, and Iran now. Per AP: "Clashes between Iranian police and tens of thousands of protesters wrecked central Tehran on Monday as security forces beat and fired tear gas at opposition supporters hoping to evoke Egypt's recent popular uprising. The opposition called for a demonstration Monday in solidarity with Egypt's popular revolt that a few days earlier forced the president there to resign after nearly 30 years in office. The rally is the first major show of strength for Iran's cowed opposition in more than a year. Police used tear gas against the protesters in central Tehran's Enghelab, or Revolution, square and in Imam Hossein square, as well as in other nearby main streets. Demonstrators responded by setting garbage cans on fire to protect themselves from the stinging white clouds." And a quick refresher in Geopolitics 101: Iran has lots of oil...and, supposedly, nukes (assuming Norton anti-virus has a Stuxnet patch).

A quick clip of the rapidly deteriorating situation in Tehran, where protesters are chanting 'Death to Khamenei.'

More at zerohedge.

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Want to know the future? Ask a bookie.

Seriously there must be futures market investment indicators that would signal the likelihood of an increase in geo-political instability. (And don't say effing gold!)

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No, we are some way from there. Life in Tunisia and Egypt will not change much for the average person, all that has happened is there was a small reshuffle at the top.

Iran won't have another revolution soon, most people there associate protest groups with America which is very unpopular.

Most Chinese will do as they are told.

So from the stability point of view are we now reaching the tipping point where control will be lost? I can't remember a day where there has been so many protests and of course if the inflation news is accurate in China we could certainly see a huge social unrest there.

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If there's another world war, I'm moving to the hills to live as a hermit. No way I'm getting maimed...

The China situation is the BIG one. As soon as they demand more money and their cost of living goes up, the more expensive imported goods (to the UK) will be - this is going to be a MASSIVE shock...

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That's not the Chinese way, in fact it's no longer the British way, we just shut up and take it... Look how the British allow the bankers to rob them....

If there's another world war, I'm moving to the hills to live as a hermit. No way I'm getting maimed...

The China situation is the BIG one. As soon as they demand more money and their cost of living goes up, the more expensive imported goods (to the UK) will be - this is going to be a MASSIVE shock...

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/police-disperse-iranian-protesters-with-tear-gas-2214707.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/14/middleeast-unrest

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/algerian-minister-protests-just-a-minority-stunt-2214587.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/according-its-national-bureau-statistics-chinese-food-prices-have-increased-46-ten-days

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/14/egypt-army-strikes-workers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/14/palestinian-authority-cabinet-resigns

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/feb/15/arab-world-youth-interactive-map

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/feb/14/yemen-bahrain-protests-in-pictures

So from the stability point of view are we now reaching the tipping point where control will be lost? I can't remember a day where there has been so many protests and of course if the inflation news is accurate in China we could certainly see a huge social unrest there.

We are heading for a classic year or two of revolutions like Europe in 1848.

The political and ideological reasons for revolt are not necessarily going to be trhe same in each country but the general trends is pretty clear. The man or woman on the street in various countries are getting royally pissed off with their incumbent regime (of what ever political and religious favour) and want change. Of course, underlying it all the driving force is economic dissatisfaction. In each case the general feeling is that all power and wealth is being stripped from the masses to serve small, corrupt and self serving elites be they Ayotollahs in Iran, military despots in North Africa or banksters and their political stooges in the West.

I dont think this process is going to be confined to the Arab world or the Middle East.. There is every chance it may actually become a global phenomenon. If it is anything like such events in the past most of the revolutions will fail but the forces unleashed will engender long lasting changes as elites start to go with the flow simply to survive. The main danger is that the established regimes in many places will seek to deflect the ire of their people by diverting it at rival nations around the globe. This is when the drum beat to war can begin.

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The most amusing thing about all this is that nothing material has changed in any way since the "boom" times. Not one change. This is a closed-system world, with finite resources. The labour is the same as it was in 2007. The gold reserves the same. The same roads and cars and buyers and sellers of every commodity.

But then they pull the magic curtain out from under us and tell us the world has changed. Well, the world has not changed in anyway, not only not since 2007 but not since Roman times. All that has changed is the failure of an idea. And yet people will starve for this reason. Think about that - an ideational concept fails, and people die.

And next war, of course.

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No, we are some way from there. Life in Tunisia and Egypt will not change much for the average person, all that has happened is there was a small reshuffle at the top.

The change was pretty seismic if the armed forces decided not to outright crush the massive angry crowds in the streets and are unlikely to form a real military junta, since most of the ground troops will still refuse to crackdown on their fellow citizens. An arrogant, greedy and violent sleazebag has been kicked out after outstaying his welcome and while it's naive to expect an overnight miracle, the Egyptians still got pretty mad as hell and were not going to take it anymore.

Iran won't have another revolution soon, most people there associate protest groups with America which is very unpopular.

Today huge riots have started up again - the people who have genuine support for the current Iranian regime and are fearful of America seem to be the hicks in the Iranian sticks, it's a bad sign that many of the most talented and educated sections of the population start to violently turn on a regime that wants to remain properly functional. And a regime that's based on fear and antagonism will eventually crumble. North Korea's not going to last forever either.

British people are not going to take it anymore either and there's widespread anger that has been brewing for years now.

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The change was pretty seismic if the armed forces decided not to outright crush the massive angry crowds in the streets and are unlikely to form a real military junta, since most of the ground troops will still refuse to crackdown on their fellow citizens. An arrogant, greedy and violent sleazebag has been kicked out after outstaying his welcome and while it's naive to expect an overnight miracle, the Egyptians still got pretty mad as hell and were not going to take it anymore.

Today huge riots have started up again - the people who have genuine support for the current Iranian regime and are fearful of America seem to be the hicks in the Iranian sticks, it's a bad sign that many of the most talented and educated sections of the population start to violently turn on a regime that wants to remain properly functional. And a regime that's based on fear and antagonism will eventually crumble. North Korea's not going to last forever either.

British people are not going to take it anymore either and there's widespread anger that has been brewing for years now.

Newsflash for those fantasising about "revolution" in the West. First, things only ever get worse after revolutions. Second, the West doesn't ****** about like third world nations. Any of this monkey-business gets tried in a Western state and they'll crush it hard and fast, like using a ten ton wrecking ball to break a peanut.

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Newsflash for those fantasising about "revolution" in the West. First, things only ever get worse after revolutions. Second, the West doesn't ****** about like third world nations. Any of this monkey-business gets tried in a Western state and they'll crush it hard and fast, like using a ten ton wrecking ball to break a peanut.

Of course most revolutions do a lot of damage in the short to medium term, but most of the problems often have deep roots from the otherthrown regimes who mismanaged their countries over a cliff in the first place (like Tsarist Russia).

If a Western state decided not to hold back in crushing dissent, killing hundreds of thousands or millions, then the whole country will either fall into civil war or collapse altogether, like most other Second or Third World nations.

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Any of this monkey-business gets tried in a Western state and they'll crush it hard and fast

What with? How many troops are left in Britain, and how many would actually shoot British protestors?

While I agree that revolutions are generally disastrous, if the British people decided to rise up tomorrow and start lynching politcos on Westminster Bridge, no-one would be able to stop them.

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The most amusing thing about all this is that nothing material has changed in any way since the "boom" times. Not one change. This is a closed-system world, with finite resources. The labour is the same as it was in 2007. The gold reserves the same. The same roads and cars and buyers and sellers of every commodity.

But then they pull the magic curtain out from under us and tell us the world has changed. Well, the world has not changed in anyway, not only not since 2007 but not since Roman times. All that has changed is the failure of an idea. And yet people will starve for this reason. Think about that - an ideational concept fails, and people die.

And next war, of course.

Very insightful take on the current macro situation.

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What with? How many troops are left in Britain, and how many would actually shoot British protestors?

While I agree that revolutions are generally disastrous, if the British people decided to rise up tomorrow and start lynching politcos on Westminster Bridge, no-one would be able to stop them.

I'd suspect the Army generals would go with what the men wanted, if the proles in the Army are going to support the lynchings then there is nothing the top brass can do but go along with it or face the same fate.

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Newsflash for those fantasising about "revolution" in the West. First, things only ever get worse after revolutions. Second, the West doesn't ****** about like third world nations. Any of this monkey-business gets tried in a Western state and they'll crush it hard and fast, like using a ten ton wrecking ball to break a peanut.

I'm just surprised that we are not still living in a feudal monarchy, where the upper classes can rape or murder the lower classes with complete impunity before the law. And that women have the vote. And trade unions still have recognition. And we can change the government at the ballot box.

Any western government that tried sending the troops out would end up out of office by the next day; and our police forces don't have the numbers or firepower to do much against a major protest.

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It is startng to look like a world revolution. Started by a hero Tunisian who was just trying to earn a living selling fruit from his stand. But the regulators said he didn't have the proper permits and shut him down. So unable to support himself and a family in protest he immolated himself.

Into the vaccuum the traditional source of power in all nations; the army, is stepping in. The army could sort out the problems in a matter of months in most nations. In Britain its the mountain of regulations and the vested interests profiting from keeping the status quo that is stopping any progress. But with the army in control they could wipe the slate clean of all the parasites. And they could simply press the reset button on all the regulations standing in the way. Also they would exercise the sovereign right to simply ignore the judiciary and their interference in governing the nation.

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British people are not going to take it anymore either and there's widespread anger that has been brewing for years now.

Given the way that the banks (and financial services industry) seem to have a huge amount of influence with both Conservatives and Labour - Conservatives you expect, Labour was the real betrayal - it's hard to see how anything other than mass protest is going to bring change.

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So if vile regimes in the Arab world are overthrown and seemingly replaced with something more humane this is the world starting to collapse.

Im thinking you need a few days away from this website.

+1

These people just want democracy and a fair society.

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