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How much money would be saved by scrapping the Scottish and Welsh parliaments and ending devolution. After all, we don't have devolution in England, which has a much bigger population. The fact the UK doesn't have an English parliament proves that it doesn't need Scottish or Welsh ones either.

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How much money would be saved by scrapping the Scottish and Welsh parliaments and ending devolution. After all, we don't have devolution in England, which has a much bigger population. The fact the UK doesn't have an English parliament proves that it doesn't need Scottish or Welsh ones either.

It needs to be one or the other : either fully devolve and let Wales and Scotland exist based on their own tax and borrowing base or end devolution.

Full devolution would obviously create some interesting international law issues around where the North Sea offshore boundaries ought to be drawn .....

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It needs to be one or the other : either fully devolve and let Wales and Scotland exist based on their own tax and borrowing base or end devolution.

Full devolution would obviously create some interesting international law issues around where the North Sea offshore boundaries ought to be drawn .....

There are no interesting international law issues about offshore boundaries in the north sea that was settled many years ago . It is true to say that most fields belong to Scotland and Norway but as that oul is sold abroad and not used by us they could have whats left and we would remain in much the same situation as we are now in that we import our oil.

I would like to point out that the Barnett formula by which England funds the Scottish state ( the only arrangement of its type in the world ) does not include such things as a contribution by Scotland to the proposed TGV line to Scotland , of which they are the main beneficiaries ,HMRC offices ( we pay for the upkeep and staff whilst there are lots located in Scotland . Any national government dept located in scotland is not paid for in any way by the scots . This is inequtable and must stop.

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Full devolution would obviously create some interesting international law issues around where the North Sea offshore boundaries ought to be drawn .....

There are international agreements about that kind of thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the_Sea

I think Britain is signed up to this.

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The fact the UK doesn't have an English parliament proves that it doesn't need Scottish or Welsh ones either.

We'd be better off with regional parliaments based on our cultural lines of Wessex, Mercia, etc.

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How much money would be saved by scrapping the Scottish and Welsh parliaments and ending devolution. After all, we don't have devolution in England, which has a much bigger population. The fact the UK doesn't have an English parliament proves that it doesn't need Scottish or Welsh ones either.

Or speed it up and get their MPs out of our parliament.

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There has been no devolution, there has been more centralization 75% of our laws are made by the unelected European Commisson.

The idea is to fund the devolved regions more so English people call for their own regional parliaments in the name of fairness, but the end result will be the end of democratic governance.

Look what happened to Ireland, they threw no end of money at them to get them to vote YES, then when they got what they wanted the money was withdrawn, the same will happen with regional parliaments. In Scotland free University education, free prescriptions....... will all be withdrawn when they get full regionalisation. Don't fall for it.

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Or speed it up and get their MPs out of our parliament.

No wonder the scots despise the arrogant english.

The British Parliament, is..well...British. It's not english, it's not "our" parliament. It's everyone's in Britain.

One thing to note about the scottish parliament is that their first act was to vote themselves a pay rise in line with the Mps in westminster.

Say's it all really, the parliament should have been disbanned by the people that very day.

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No wonder the scots despise the arrogant english.

The British Parliament, is..well...British. It's not english, it's not "our" parliament. It's everyone's in Britain.

One thing to note about the scottish parliament is that their first act was to vote themselves a pay rise in line with the Mps in westminster.

Say's it all really, the parliament should have been disbanned by the people that very day.

I'm with SarahBell on this one. There's nothing arrogant about not wanting this to happen again.

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Id love the Scots and Welsh to go it alone, most in these nations vote Labour, some national socialist party or Libdem, thus keeping the far left in power, ... The Welsh despise the English anyway, and the Scots arent much better.

England being free of this socialist infliction would be a wonderful thing ... the Welsh could have Liverpool aswell.

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Id love the Scots and Welsh to go it alone, most in these nations vote Labour, some national socialist party or Libdem, thus keeping the far left in power, ... The Welsh despise the English anyway, and the Scots arent much better.

England being free of this socialist infliction would be a wonderful thing ... the Welsh could have Liverpool aswell.

John Redwood is the biggest reason why Wales has devolution, he was a complete idiot as Welsh Secretary in a way none of Thatcher or Major's other Welsh Secretaries were.

As a Taff who lives in England, I think devolution is a complete waste of time and money - how many layers of government do we need?

Andy

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I'm with SarahBell on this one. There's nothing arrogant about not wanting this to happen again.

The Scottish MPs voting en masse to flog Englands Forests to help finance Scottish bank losses was extra-ordinarily arrogant, but just a day in the life of a Scottish MP at Westminster and hardly newsworthy.

That there is no roadmap for parity by way of English devolution is appalling.

The earlier poster suggesting that Scotland is the next in line for a democratic revolution after more than a decade of Scottish parliamentary dominition cannot be taken seriously.

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Id love the Scots and Welsh to go it alone, most in these nations vote Labour, some national socialist party or Libdem, thus keeping the far left in power, ... The Welsh despise the English anyway, and the Scots arent much better.

England being free of this socialist infliction would be a wonderful thing ... the Welsh could have Liverpool aswell.

I rather like Liverpool! Other than that though, I agree totally. The referendum we should have is one asking the English the question of whether or not they want to withdraw from the Union and leaves the Scots, Welsh and Irish to get on with it by themselves.

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John Redwood is the biggest reason why Wales has devolution, he was a complete idiot as Welsh Secretary in a way none of Thatcher or Major's other Welsh Secretaries were.

As a Taff who lives in England, I think devolution is a complete waste of time and money - how many layers of government do we need?

Andy

As a Taff who lives in Wales, I think devolution is fantastic. I mean, Welsh people making decisions for themselves albeit in a limited amount of areas. There is no call for an English Parliament. It will be left to the Celts to deliver you your very own parliament. ;)

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As a Taff who lives in Wales, I think devolution is fantastic. I mean, Welsh people making decisions for themselves albeit in a limited amount of areas. There is no call for an English Parliament. It will be left to the Celts to deliver you your very own parliament. ;)

Comical set of affairs but yes we might well have to rely on the rise of nationalism in the other home nations setting us free. The debate in England seems to have fallen away with the arrival of the co-alition yet the injustices from assymetric devolution keep adding up.

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As a Taff who lives in Wales, I think devolution is fantastic. I mean, Welsh people making decisions for themselves albeit in a limited amount of areas. There is no call for an English Parliament. It will be left to the Celts to deliver you your very own parliament. ;)

But the Welsh are no more 'Celtic' than the English, genetically. The difference is that the English Celts were over-run by the so-called Saxons and were forced to change their culture and language. But were the Saxons really from Saxony? If so, why is the English language descended from old Frisian, not from old German? It's thought the term 'Saxon' possibly comes from the Celtic word for 'foreigner' - Saesneg in Welsh and Sassenach in Scots Gaelic, and has nothing to do with Saxony.

This theory shouldn't be discounted because the 'error', if it is one, crept into the history books long before Native Americans were erroneously termed 'Indians' or Gypsies were so named because it was wrongly believed they came from Egypt.

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John Redwood is the biggest reason why Wales has devolution, he was a complete idiot as Welsh Secretary in a way none of Thatcher or Major's other Welsh Secretaries were.

As a Taff who lives in England, I think devolution is a complete waste of time and money - how many layers of government do we need?

Andy

Agreed another layer of govt is good way to price and regulate oneself out of business.

But if all nations were free from Londons central govt i genuinely believe theyd all prosper ... especially when those Labour voting English hating Taffs and Jocks realised low taxation and minimal govt is the best thing for them.

For England the Torys would be the main party by some distance thus the closet right wing of their party which i believe is the majority could flourish ... even the leftwing would have to come much further to the right to stand a chance of gaining power.

Anyway itll not happen for a long while, as who would take all this debt on?

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But the Welsh are no more 'Celtic' than the English, genetically. The difference is that the English Celts were over-run by the so-called Saxons and were forced to change their culture and language. But were the Saxons really from Saxony? If so, why is the English language descended from old Frisian, not from old German? It's thought the term 'Saxon' possibly comes from the Celtic word for 'foreigner' - Saesneg in Welsh and Sassenach in Scots Gaelic, and has nothing to do with Saxony.

This theory shouldn't be discounted because the 'error', if it is one, crept into the history books long before Native Americans were erroneously termed 'Indians' or Gypsies were so named because it was wrongly believed they came from Egypt.

I don't think genetics has anything to do with it, it's more a cultural thing. Genetically we're pretty much Krauts after all, culturally we're pretty far apart from ze Germans.

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Agreed another layer of govt is good way to price and regulate oneself out of business.

But if all nations were free from Londons central govt i genuinely believe theyd all prosper ... especially when those Labour voting English hating Taffs and Jocks realised low taxation and minimal govt is the best thing for them.

For England the Torys would be the main party by some distance thus the closet right wing of their party which i believe is the majority could flourish ... even the leftwing would have to come much further to the right to stand a chance of gaining power.

Anyway itll not happen for a long while, as who would take all this debt on?

Have you paid any attention to Scottish elections? SNP seats at the last election - 47, Labour - 46. It was a close call, but a huge swing to the SNP.

The antics of the ConDems since the last GE, plus the leadership qualities of Ed Miliband (!) should help them garner enough seats this time to have a majority.

Roll on the 5th of May, the best chance the English have of independance!

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"Roll on the 5th of May, the best chance the English have of independance!"

Ho ho.

Independence for England bankruptcy for Scotland.

Probably messy but then again, good fun usually is.

Have we discussed this before? English economy based on the 'Financial Services' deck of cards, Scottish economy based, in the first 5 or 6 decades, on existing oil revenues and attracting renewable energy businesses with tax breaks funded by these revenues.

The future's bright, at least it will be in Scotland :D

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