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Inevitably (where's the link Pat - do keep up!) it will be mainly frontline staff as when you do financial appraisals on services the direct employee costs are under the spotlight but the central (HR, PR, Corporate form fillers) are hidden away in the overhead contribution.

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Inevitably (where's the link Pat - do keep up!) it will be mainly frontline staff as when you do financial appraisals on services the direct employee costs are under the spotlight but the central (HR, PR, Corporate form fillers) are hidden away in the overhead contribution.

Sorry Franky its early

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20110211/tuk-birmingham-council-axes-more-than-7-dba1618.html

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Inevitably (where's the link Pat - do keep up!) it will be mainly frontline staff as when you do financial appraisals on services the direct employee costs are under the spotlight but the central (HR, PR, Corporate form fillers) are hidden away in the overhead contribution.

Indeed, so many news items popping up like this at the moment and you know it's the font line services that are being culled while the bloated centre pulls up the drawbridge.

I get this macabre vision like the Monty Python sketch of the knight having lost his arms and legs still defiantly insisting he can fight on and win. Except in this case the torso thats left is a bloated, cancerous 'Jabba the Hut' still gorging itself but insisting on it's own necessity.

Can't help thinking the best thing to do is go for a radical reset, sack the lot of them.

Readvertise the jobs on standard pay scales based on agreed transparent levels, using a lean business model.

The initial pain would heavy, but we'd reach an accceptable end state quicker, rather than this disgusting charade which is unfolding.

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Indeed, so many news items popping up like this at the moment and you know it's the font line services that are being culled while the bloated centre pulls up the drawbridge.

I get this macabre vision like the Monty Python sketch of the knight having lost his arms and legs still defiantly insisting he can fight on and win. Except in this case the torso thats left is a bloated, cancerous 'Jabba the Hut' still gorging itself but insisting on it's own necessity.

Can't help thinking the best thing to do is go for a radical reset, sack the lot of them.

Readvertise the jobs on standard pay scales based on agreed transparent levels, using a lean business model.

The initial pain would heavy, but we'd reach an accceptable end state quicker, rather than this disgusting charade which is unfolding.

exactly, the management is great culture in this country does my head in.

management should be minimal.

I thought this would happen, the coalition are proving expert at maximising the job losses while minimising the cost savings.

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Well its a start

Here are a some jobs which appear on council books which it might be possible to cut:-

Roller disco coach

Part-time toothbrush adviser for infants

Ceremonial sword bearer

Trampoline coach

Skate park attendant

Flower arrangers

Befriending co-coordinator

Street football co-coordinator

Breastfeeding peer support coordinator

Composting supervisor

Future shape program manager

Integrated service delivery team leads

The list goes on and on...just GOOGLE "council non-jobs"

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Here are a some jobs which appear on council books which it might be possible to cut:-

Breastfeeding peer support coordinator

The list goes on and on...just GOOGLE "council non-jobs"

I would do that job for £3k a year. Its all I can afford

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exactly, the management is great culture in this country does my head in.

management should be minimal.

I thought this would happen, the coalition are proving expert at maximising the job losses while minimising the cost savings.

Its really simple actually, but the self serving senior staff at councils won't do what's needed because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

- £20,000 salary cap on Final Salary component of all public sector pensions, the rest being defined contributions: pure market value with no taxpayer subsidy. With immediate effect, no phasing/committee reviews.

- 10 year programme to migrate to self funding public sector pensions. Measures like only indexing the first £10k of public sector pensions in payment would contribute strongly.

- Public sector payrises only apply to the first £30k. Above that - no increase whatsoever.

- Legislation to make individual bonuses, retention payments to public sector workers.

- Legislation to make it illegal for retired/redundant public sector workers to bid for contract work at any public sector body.

- Independent Audit of key projects with dismissal of objectively ineffective public sector managers.

Basically apply fiercely progressive cuts as you go up the pay scale while protecting the lowest paid and maintaining services and the recruitment and development of youngsters.

But it won't happen.

What will happen is that councils and other public setor bodies will tend towards pension and salary collection units that provide no services. Eventually the rest of society, by then providing its own refuse collection, cleaning. social and security services, will just stop paying them.

Edited by xux42

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Its really simple actually, but the self serving senior staff at councils won't do what's needed because turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

- £20,000 salary cap on Final Salary component of all public sector pensions, the rest being defined contributions: pure market value with no taxpayer subsidy. With immediate effect, no phasing/committee reviews.

- 10 year programme to migrate to self funding public sector pensions. Measures like only indexing the first £10k of public sector pensions in payment would contribute strongly.

- Public sector payrises only apply to the first £30k. Above that - no increase whatsoever.

- Legislation to make individual bonuses, retention payments to public sector workers.

- Legislation to make it illegal for retired/redundant public sector workers to bid for contract work at any public sector body.

- Independent Audit of key projects with dismissal of objectively ineffective public sector managers.

Basically apply fiercely progressive cuts as you go up the pay scale while protecting the lowest paid and maintaining services and the recruitment and development of youngsters.

Can you submit that to the treasury ideas section?

https://engage.hm-treasury.gov.uk/budget-representation/submit-your-budget-representation/

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Inevitably (where's the link Pat - do keep up!) it will be mainly frontline staff as when you do financial appraisals on services the direct employee costs are under the spotlight but the central (HR, PR, Corporate form fillers) are hidden away in the overhead contribution.

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Here are a some jobs which appear on council books which it might be possible to cut:-

Roller disco coach

Part-time toothbrush adviser for infants

Ceremonial sword bearer

Trampoline coach

Skate park attendant

Flower arrangers

Befriending co-coordinator

Street football co-coordinator

Breastfeeding peer support coordinator

Composting supervisor

Future shape program manager

Integrated service delivery team leads

The list goes on and on...just GOOGLE "council non-jobs"

Unbelievable. Here's some more.

falls prevention fitness adviser

bouncy castle attendant

cheerleading development officer

street mediator

part-time pianist

yoga instructor

audience development officer

political advisor

European Officer

Climate Change Officer

diversity officer

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Unbelievable. Here's some more.

falls prevention fitness adviser

Sorry to be picky - but when you 85 and frail you might be glad of one of those. Falls lead to broken bones and an elderly person being unable to fend for themselves - which costs more in the longer term for the state. The role of this 'non post' is to work with elderly people to keep them active and reduce the risks of them having fall/accidents.

Although perhaps in your society you would be happy for the frail elderly to be left to rot!

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What - including your gran or mum and dad (or even you one day?). :o

Well my gran had several falls. She got an alarm to be able to alert someone to the fact she'd fallen.

After a few more my parents took the decision to care for her by her living with them. When she was too frail to be cared for at home she went into a home. She died from a fall after breaking a hip.

Financially there's no benefit to having someone to "teach old people not to fall", as opposed to putting in place structures to assist them when they do. These days a mobile phone would do instead of an alarm to a call centre.

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What - including your gran or mum and dad (or even you one day?). :o

Sense of humour coaching and advisory officer.

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"Falls prevention fitness adviser" --> "It's 2pm, Mr Smith; time to go for your walk. Don't forget your stick."

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Here are a some jobs which appear on council books which it might be possible to cut:-

Roller disco coach

Part-time toothbrush adviser for infants

Ceremonial sword bearer

Trampoline coach

Skate park attendant

Flower arrangers

Befriending co-coordinator

Street football co-coordinator

Breastfeeding peer support coordinator

Composting supervisor

Future shape program manager

Integrated service delivery team leads

The list goes on and on...just GOOGLE "council non-jobs"

You've made these up haven't you?

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its long long past the point we should all be rioting about council tax. we just need some non socialist to kick it off this time not some tommy sheridan self serving dick.

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First give some deadwood managers the chop then axe those idle bin men who refused to do any O/T in December to sort the backlog of rubbish out after the inclement weather.

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First give some deadwood managers the chop then axe those idle bin men who refused to do any O/T in December to sort the backlog of rubbish out after the inclement weather.

Ummm. Am not sure that the logic of getting rid of bin-men when you have too few bin-men, is particularily ironclad

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Ummm. Am not sure that the logic of getting rid of bin-men when you have too few bin-men, is particularily ironclad

Bin men are outsourced in Birmingham IIRC. Do not work for the council. This is why Brum has 18,000 staff but has a budget of 3.5billion a year.

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