Do The Tories Want To Lose The Next Election?

[Guest]

I think the Tories are doing a marvellous job, and I'm not a natural Tory voter.

The reality is that those who are losing their jobs are the Labourites that were put where they are through 13 years of Labour plundering the wealth of the country and handing it out to the underserving.

This government was never going to be a popular one, but I do believe that we head into the next election with our economy in a much better shape than the last one. Changes need to be made, and they are making them.

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[Harry Monk]

but the question remains -

by 2015 we'll be due another recession, an aftershock from the Great Recession, so who would WANT to win the 2015 election only to take the blame?

Anyone, I would be PM and take the blame for everything in exchange for £140,000 a year for five years.

[Olebrum]

Don't go all Adam Bolton, but they didn't win the last election.

[24gray24]

I cannot understand the Tory game plan. In the first year, they could have done everything and blamed it on Labour.

Instead, they've done only just enough to keep the bond markets from collapsing (mostly rhetoric), while doing nothing to close the insolvent banks, fix the pensions, and only a little so far on cutting spending.

This will result in the Tories being deeply unpopular, because we'll have a 10 year recession.

[tomandlu]

I cannot understand the Tory game plan. In the first year, they could have done everything and blamed it on Labour.

Instead, they've done only just enough to keep the bond markets from collapsing (mostly rhetoric), while doing nothing to close the insolvent banks, fix the pensions, and only a little so far on cutting spending.

This will result in the Tories being deeply unpopular, because we'll have a 10 year recession.

Game plan? The game plan for this lot was to closely resemble new labour. Remember, up until 2007, most people (including the tories) thought labour was doing a good job. The tories thought the only way they could gain power was to resemble them.

[southmartin]

I cannot understand the Tory game plan. In the first year, they could have done everything and blamed it on Labour.

Instead, they've done only just enough to keep the bond markets from collapsing (mostly rhetoric), while doing nothing to close the insolvent banks, fix the pensions, and only a little so far on cutting spending.

This will result in the Tories being deeply unpopular, because we'll have a 10 year recession.

The game plan is to keep things limping along until after the AV vote (which includes the far more important boundary changes). If the NO2AV side win (which looks likely at the mo) then the libs will have given up everything and got nothing in return, at that point they'll split and cameron (& co.**) will call a GE either straight away or in October.

Thus, the support for the libs will have collapsed, Miliband looks like an dimwitted "wallace" character who's well out of his depth, and together with the constituency boundaries, the Labour bias will be wiped out and they'll be humiliated at the polls.

Tories are the only party with enough cash to do another GE, so by the end of this year it'll be a solid majority for 'Team Blue' and then the real cuts can start.

-You heard it here first ! And if i'm right I expect to be granted the title of HPC Political Guru....

** I say "& Co" as actually Cameron can't call a GE on his own without the support of some libs (he needs a majority). If the government collapsed, the next stage is for HMQ to ask the second biggest party to have a go (shudder!) and that's why the libs would support a disolving.

[scottbeard]

Are the tories trying to time it so they benefit from a multi-year bounce from say 2013 to 2015, even though by this time we will be due another recession, and wilfully LOSE the following 2015 election, in full knowledge Labour would get in with another recession round the corner?

No, I think they're trying to get all the pain out of the way in 2010-2013, leaving a nice year of true recovery in 2014 to set them up for another win.

[dubsie]

And Labour got a majority in each election they won did they?

Yes they won a clear majority.

[dubsie]

lefties can never do maths can theyif the left wing half of the libdems abandoned the coalition THE COALITION WOULD STILL HAVE A MAJORITY

sorry the maths is so confusing, the coalition aint gonna collapse - it may well not make all the reforms it intends to and not govern as strongly as we might hope for, but it is very very unlikely that it will collapsesocialists living in perpetual werdy hope of the revolution. ain't gonna happen.

not really true. Lib dems are losing support and so are the Tories. If there was an election today the Tories would have Less seats than labour.....and clegg wouldn't have a seat at all. I think

you would see a different situation.

[ralphmalph]

not really true. Lib dems are losing support and so are the Tories. If there was an election today the Tories would have Less seats than labour.....and clegg wouldn't have a seat at all. I think

you would see a different situation.

Personally I am surprised that after the whole leftie establishment have shouted nasty Tory cuts at every oppourtunity that the Torys in the opinion polls are polling exactly the same as they got in the GE. I bet the Torys expected to in be high 20's at best at this stage.

As one senior labour poltician said this week "If the Torys get the economy growing again we have no chance at the next election." Chuck in a load of tax cuts for the aspirational folk and a Troy victory will be nailed on.

[blobloblob]

The Tories wanted to lose the last election and so did Labour. It's one of the few times that Labour actually did something well.

[eightiesgirly]

I don't think there is any plan, just a nice suit and matching tie to appear on the telly and say 'now look!' and 'we're all in this big society together' and do a bit of handwringing.

Take a bow, collect the salary, cheers! More again tommorow.

[dubsie]

Yeah, boo to the nasty party, I want my miracle economy back, 'like wot labour gave us'.

Coalitions are a very normal part of the political in much of the world, get over it. And I'll take the cuts to ensure a better future, thanks.

The future won't be better if they bankrupt the country,.....to reduce the deficit they need jobs

[dubsie]

Personally I am surprised that after the whole leftie establishment have shouted nasty Tory cuts at every oppourtunity that the Torys in the opinion polls are polling exactly the same as they got in the GE. I bet the Torys expected to in be high 20's at best at this stage.

As one senior labour poltician said this week "If the Torys get the economy growing again we have no chance at the next election." Chuck in a load of tax cuts for the aspirational folk and a Troy victory will be nailed on.

non-sense, the torys are now three points behind labour. Labour won't get a majority now but I can't see the lib dems backing the tories with no Nick Clegg .

[Oh Dear]

I am getting fed up with the "we did not include this in our manifesto because we did not know how bad it all was" excuse. Why did they not know? We all did. I would like some straight up honesty from our politicians. Politics at the moment is all mood music. I had hoped there was going to be a radical restructuring, trying something completely different after the banking crisis, massive disappointment with all main parties.

[dubsie]

I am getting fed up with the "we did not include this in our manifesto because we did not know how bad it all was" excuse. Why did they not know? We all did. I would like some straight up honesty from our politicians. Politics at the moment is all mood music. I had hoped there was going to be a radical restructuring, trying something completely different after the banking crisis, massive disappointment with all main parties.

the financial sector needs radical change.

[Si1]

not really true. Lib dems are losing support and so are the Tories. If there was an election today the Tories would have Less seats than labour.....and clegg wouldn't have a seat at all. I think

you would see a different situation.

we're not talking about that - shows how much you understand - my point is that even if halfthe libdems leave the coalition then the coalition maintains a working majority, so no general election, no failed government, no opportunity for labour to get back in power

[Si1]

The future won't be better if they bankrupt the country,.....to reduce the deficit they need productive jobs

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[scepticus]

Pretty much my thoughts. I think the main difference these days is how quickly parties will lurch from the right to the left and vice versa, just to score political points. Labour has supposedly moved to the left, because they've lost the middle ground. But as soon as it senses the Tories move to the right then Labour will move to the centre, then the Lib Dems will move to the left again, etc, etc. There's a good chance that whoever you vote for at an election will rapidly change their position within weeks.

That is exactly how markets work. Given that we are supposed to worship the invisible hand is it surprising that politics emulates the market?

Call it political price discovery, aka the diminishment of political yield.

Until there is a better narrative for society nothing will change.

[scepticus]

How on earth can you not see it?

I'm surprised you keep flogging this dead horse. Labour were asleep at the wheel and now the tories are, giving a simultaneous tax break to banks and a levy on banks that leaves the UK banks better off than they were before, and they have done little about salaries at nationalized banks. Then before new labour, as many posters here have pointed out, it was maggie who push the property snowball off the summit.

You need to let go of the partisan chip on your shoulder, even if that leaves you dangerously adrift.

[scepticus]

It is quite simply that for 13 years we've not just had 'asleep at the wheel' but a malign intent at work. And that intent was not about improving the economy, our 'lot'. It was about breaking apart the UK so their arch rivals could never successfully take the levers of power again.

but doesn't the devolution of wales and scotland imply the same constraints on future labour governments as it does the tories?

in any case, I would say that this effort you allude to is only fair against tory domination of public schools and the City, aka the ruling class?

can we not view it in terms of the constant struggle between the social demarcations left to us by our history?

The labour old guard is not for the most part public school educated. Labours crime, IMO, was to let New Labour dominate Old Labour.

[South Lorne]

No you get me wrong. I'm not a Tory.

...feel there are a lot of people who vote Tory but are not 'Tories'...or members....and could never vote Labour new or old ...and the LibDems don't feature for them .....there is a vacant political space.....