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In a free society, you do not need to ask permission to house yourself. You build a house. All that is required is that you can defend it and it does not adversely affect the lives of others. 150 years ago it was all the rage in America and millions took up the challenge to "go west". This house does exactly that on another brutal and unforgiving landscape. The UK State.

Built on arable land, without permission, and it shows that you can be free if you have the courage to be free. It took the builder 4 months, a chainsaw, a hammer, £3000 and some hard work.

http://www.oldholborn.net/2011/02/not-for-everyone.html

http://www.simondale.net/house/index.htm

Admittedly, that is rural Wales, do it in South East England, and not only will those nice socialists that fill the halls of public offices be round with their friendly bulldozers, but the locals will probably lynch you for not joining their house pyramid scheme.

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In a free society, you do not need to ask permission to house yourself. You build a house. All that is required is that you can defend it and it does not adversely affect the lives of others. 150 years ago it was all the rage in America and millions took up the challenge to "go west". This house does exactly that on another brutal and unforgiving landscape. The UK State.

Built on arable land, without permission, and it shows that you can be free if you have the courage to be free. It took the builder 4 months, a chainsaw, a hammer, £3000 and some hard work.

http://www.oldholborn.net/2011/02/not-for-everyone.html

http://www.simondale.net/house/index.htm

Admittedly, that is rural Wales, do it in South East England, and not only will those nice socialists that fill the halls of public offices be round with their friendly bulldozers, but the locals will probably lynch you for not joining their house pyramid scheme.

It totally circumnavigates the whole ponzi scheme. A big V's up to debt slavery. Brilliant. But totally out of the question for the masses.

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It totally circumnavigates the whole ponzi scheme. A big V's up to debt slavery. Brilliant. But totally out of the question for the masses.

Bet he sells it for a profit and buys a normal house somewhere.

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It's all very well a few people doing this but if lots of people did we'd have shanty towns all over the place and we'd all be nimbys - even the people living in shacks would be nimbys if someone else builds a shack too close to theirs.

Great idea - if shanty towns start up everywhere perhaps the current nimbys won't be so against freeing up land for the building of proper housing and the powers that be may start to click that maybe housing IS unaffordable after all.

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Aside from the house, what a great post!

Not for everyone..... but certainly for some. I tweeted this a few months ago and it is still as relevant as ever. In a free society, you do not need to ask permission to house yourself. You build a house. All that is required is that you can defend it and it does not adversely affect the lives of others. 150 years ago it was all the rage in America and millions took up the challenge to "go west". This house does exactly that on another brutal and unforgiving landscape. The UK State.

Built on arable land, without permission, and it shows that you can be free if you have the courage to be free. It took the builder 4 months, a chainsaw, a hammer, £3000 and some hard work.

"Oh look, a stone age hippy" I hear. From the very same people who happily pay £2000 a week to stay at Centreparks. "A hobbits cave", say those who will spend their entire lives in hock to a banker, the council and their desks to pay for it all whilst travelling underground to work every day. And what remains when they die from stress, the all powerful state will grab what little it didn't manage to grab whilst you were alive.

Low impact, almost no cost and the chance to actually live a life worth living instead of being the tiniest cog in a brutal system, grinding towards inevitable death. Of course, you may consider this a pitiful existence in the same way Abramovich sneers at you in your Barretts house on a Barretts estate from his super yacht. You may consider it hard work in the same way that you now work 12 hours a day, 300 days a year whilst peasants in the middle ages toiled for just 140 days a year and partied the rest.

And you have to ask yourself exactly where humanity is headed when we actually have to protect the last few remaining truly free people on the planet from us, the "civilised."

Ouch, that hurts!

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It's all very well a few people doing this but if lots of people did we'd have shanty towns all over the place and we'd all be nimbys - even the people living in shacks would be nimbys if someone else builds a shack too close to theirs.

You mean like all those quaint little villages in the Cotswolds built without planning permission that the bankers pay through the nose for?

Edited by Tiger Woods?

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It totally circumnavigates the whole ponzi scheme. A big V's up to debt slavery. Brilliant. But totally out of the question for the masses.

Except he negotiated the right to build this because he was working on local woodland for the owner of the land - the forestry commission. :rolleyes:

This was a "Grand Designs" programme - IIRC one of the conditions was that only he could live in it - he couldn't sell it, or leave it to anyone in the event of his death.

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In a free society, you do not need to ask permission to house yourself. You build a house. All that is required is that you can defend it and it does not adversely affect the lives of others.

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I think the days of building a house in the UK that does not adversely affect the lives of others are long gone.

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do it in South East England, and not only will those nice socialists that fill the halls of public offices be round with their friendly bulldozers, but the locals will probably lynch you for not joining their house pyramid scheme.

Yes, those nice socialists will come round and enforce those evil capitalist property laws, designed

to keep property in the hands of capital.

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In a free society, you do not need to ask permission to house yourself. You build a house. All that is required is that you can defend it and it does not adversely affect the lives of others. (...)

Yep. Try to impose on Americans a planning system as restrictive as ours, and I'm quite sure they would pretty swiftly resort to their famous and much loved Second Amendment rights. :D

(1) It totally circumnavigates the whole ponzi scheme. A big V's up to debt slavery. Brilliant.

(2) But totally out of the question for the masses.

(1) + 1

(2) Serviced plots would solve that. It costs around £1,000/sq.m to have a house built by a contractor. A decent 3 bed house would cost just around £100,000, plus plot.

It's all very well a few people doing this but if lots of people did we'd have shanty towns all over the place and we'd all be nimbys - even the people living in shacks would be nimbys if someone else builds a shack too close to theirs.

As above "(2)".

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You mean like all those quaint little villages in the Cotswolds built without planning permission that the bankers pay through the nose for?

Exactly.

I think the days of building a house in the UK that does not adversely affect the lives of others are long gone.

Why?!

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Whatever way you skin it, you will need the land. You cannot do anything without the land. Its all about the land.

Even here in the south of England land is very cheap.

Say an acre (enough for 10 good family homes): It costs less than £10,000/acre, but with planning permission it goes up to £1-2 million/acre (depending on location). Or £100,000 to £300,000 per plot!

Land is dirty cheap. Planning permits cost a fortune !

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Even here in the south of England land is very cheap.

Say an acre (enough for 10 good family homes): It costs less than £10,000/acre, but with planning permission it goes up to £1-2 million/acre (depending on location). Or £100,000 to £300,000 per plot!

Land is dirty cheap. Planning permits cost a fortune !

Thats not cheap, in South Africa its <£50 per acre, and social collapse has already been priced in.

In UK, despite the inevitable social collapse, we still pay first world rates.

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What is that in £ per square metre ?

1 acre = 4 046 m2

A small plot (less than 1/10 of an acre) near a "cheap" village or town around here would cost around £100k. (If you find any. We had 1 in a 5 miles radius in the last 3 years)

A similar plot in a good location in a nice market town such as Chichester would obviously cost many times more. (Again, if you'd find any.)

In the countryside it would cost much more (plot or land size is less relevant than what the planning permit will allow you to build.) (Again, if you'd find any.)

Edit: Take a look at RightMove. I have just done a search, land, from £50k to £150k, 10 miles, Chichester + 10 miles radius. Look ate the results below:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/map.html?locationIdentifier=REGION^316&sortByPriceDescending=false&maxDaysSinceAdded=7&savedSearchId=5698921&retirement=false&radius=1.0#_includeSSTC%3Don%26auction%3Dfalse%26displayPropertyType%3Dland%26locationIdentifier%3DREGION%255E316%26maxPrice%3D150000%26minPrice%3D50000%26oldDisplayPropertyType%3Dland%26previousSearchLocation%3DChichester%26radius%3D10.0%26retirement%3Dfalse%26savedSearchId%3D5698921%26searchLocation%3DChichester%26searchType%3DSALE%26sortByPriceDescending%3Dfalse%26useLocationIdentifier%3Dfalse%26box%3D-1.24146%2C-0.31311%2C50.54485%2C51.13111%26mapType%3DMap

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Whatever way you skin it, you will need the land. You cannot do anything without the land. Its all about the land.

Not true. In the 1970s when the USA was performing ethnic cleansing Vietnam. 1000s of Vietnamese people went to Hong Kong. 67800 illegals arrived in one month. They were found in containers. As the war was being lost by the USA and the pogrom on Vietnamese people started it turned into a flood.

People built mini flotilas and travelled to Hong Kong and Guangzhao harbour. Most of these people are gone now but they were a common sight up until 1988 when they were given rent free council homes. Before 1988 they pretty much lived on their boats day in day out. I remember stories in Chinese papers about some of them moving to Walled City in Kowloon before itwas torn down. Some of the residents of walled city even moved into the Vietnamese flotila.

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