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I'd argue the opposite is true. A quick look at the map of the Middle East shows enormous, untapped tourism potential. Political tensions or all-out civil war has left Algeria, Libya, Lebanon, the Palestine territories, Syria, Yemen and Iraq almost completely off the tourist radar. Jordan, Egypt and Israel have tourist industries but they have been significantly stifled. If political stability can be achieved (and that's an enormous 'IF') then I'd expect tourism in the region to develop rapidly. As Eastern Europe showed, it's a very effective means at kick-starting an economy.

Syria and Yemen make the news for all the wrong reasons but I thought they were two of the friendliest and most fascinating destinations I've ever visited. They make Dubai look like a car park in Croydon.

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Friend went Morroco. Said 24/7 beggars followed him.

Yeah that's pretty much it, been to Egypt twice, first time to Cairo and sec0nd to Sharm El Sheikh. Cario was a nightmare for beggers or more specifically hawkers who are basically just beggers with a tiny bit of tat, it's basically non stop when you are there.

Sharm El Sheikh was slightly better, but rather than beggers pretty much anybody who did anything for you wanted some money for it. Almost demanding money with menaces, in fact that's exactly what it was most of the time, rather than be happy when you slip them a quid they demand more and more.

One example was when we got there I wanted a piss, went in to the airport toilet did my business and there were two airport porters, one removing the paper towels from the holder the other physically stopping you from leaving until you have given them a couple of quid for the privilege.

Now they possibly earn less in a year than I do in a week, but that's not my problem, I'll take my holiday money elsewhere.

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Yeah that's pretty much it, been to Egypt twice, first time to Cairo and sec0nd to Sharm El Sheikh. Cario was a nightmare for beggers or more specifically hawkers who are basically just beggers with a tiny bit of tat, it's basically non stop when you are there.

Sharm El Sheikh was slightly better, but rather than beggers pretty much anybody who did anything for you wanted some money for it. Almost demanding money with menaces, in fact that's exactly what it was most of the time, rather than be happy when you slip them a quid they demand more and more.

One example was when we got there I wanted a piss, went in to the airport toilet did my business and there were two airport porters, one removing the paper towels from the holder the other physically stopping you from leaving until you have given them a couple of quid for the privilege.

Now they possibly earn less in a year than I do in a week, but that's not my problem, I'll take my holiday money elsewhere.

I'll take my sun hols in the Canaries or Cyprus - costs more as they're in the eurozone, but at least the hotels don't need gun toting guards at their entrances.

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Why would you now want to book a holiday in any of these countries .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353088/Egypt-protests-Tunisia-Jordan-unravel-West-worried.html

Major implications for those with low oil revenues (morocco)

Erm all of them were pretty much closed anyway.

Saudi? No way Jose you can get in there without a work or religious visa. There is one way to get a transit visa at port Sudan to get to Jeddah, you can get a 72hour transit visa easy.

Eygpt? If you want to go anywhere outside the main tourist areas you need an armed escort, carnet fees are 500% the new cost of your vehicle.

Algeria completely closed the southern section after the Dakar rally was held up by blokes with RPGs. So they held it in South America instead.

Tunisia. No real comment

Morroco, surprisingly open, but with the beggar and corrupt cops problem.

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Isn't it a bit early to call this WHOLE area a no-go zone. Morocco is a wonderful country. Yes, there are beggars there but it is vibrant and surprisingly beautiful, I see no reason for tourists to stay away.

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The birds in Iran are supposed to be phenomenal. And I know its not on the map but who cares.

As for getting hassled by beggers ? I think a lot is to do with the look on your face. Was travelling through India (Blah :D) years back. First few weeks we got there non-stop hassle. After about a month they didn't bother anymore. I think our faces literally just said '****** OFF YA **** YOU ARE GETTING NOTHING'.

Must have been coz nothing else changed with our appearance. I am ginger so not as if I was exactly tanned.

It is the same with Charity hawkers on high streets. I have got it down to a tee. Nearly never get stopped by them anymore. Glance that just says 'Don't' bother'.

I think most people have an amazing ability to read people's faces - without even consiously knowing it. But in that brief moment it just appears as if from nowhere.

Anyway....

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Egyptian Military "Accidentally" Kills 12 Mexicans Having A Barbecue After Mistaking Them For ISIS

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"The tourist group of 22 had parked their four four-by-four vehicles off road for a barbecue near the Bahariya oasis, a tourist site in the western desert, when army aircraft suddenly began shelling them from above"...

Is this area a hotbed for Islamic militants?

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Never been, dont want to go.

Friend went Morroco. Said 24/7 beggars followed him.

Surprisingly he said alcohol consumption is permitted there though.

My two daughters had a week in Morocco last year, minus their blokes. They had a great time, were not hassled more than at minor irritation levels and would certainly go back. However they did take care to dress conservatively, which does reduce annoyance from local men thinking all western women are natural prey.

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Yeah that's pretty much it, been to Egypt twice, first time to Cairo and sec0nd to Sharm El Sheikh. Cario was a nightmare for beggers or more specifically hawkers who are basically just beggers with a tiny bit of tat, it's basically non stop when you are there.

Sharm El Sheikh was slightly better, but rather than beggers pretty much anybody who did anything for you wanted some money for it. Almost demanding money with menaces, in fact that's exactly what it was most of the time, rather than be happy when you slip them a quid they demand more and more.

One example was when we got there I wanted a piss, went in to the airport toilet did my business and there were two airport porters, one removing the paper towels from the holder the other physically stopping you from leaving until you have given them a couple of quid for the privilege.

Now they possibly earn less in a year than I do in a week, but that's not my problem, I'll take my holiday money elsewhere.

My Grandad was a 'desert rat' in WW2...said all the local muslims were prostituting their 'sisters' (though he said he didnt think they were actually their sisters, rather 'stolen' women from other tribes...almost forced on him apparently) This came as a shock to me as I thought muslims were very protective of 'their' women (ie look at them and you'll lose your head)...I read other tribes (the maori, apparently) also literally forced prostitutes on the colonists.

ISIS will presumably put a stop to such degeneracy.

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My two daughters had a week in Morocco last year, minus their blokes. They had a great time, were not hassled more than at minor irritation levels and would certainly go back. However they did take care to dress conservatively, which does reduce annoyance from local men thinking all western women are natural prey.

Hell of a risk IMO...then again, I daren't leave the North circular if ever im unfortunate enough to end up in London. :lol:

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It is the same with Charity hawkers on high streets. I have got it down to a tee. Nearly never get stopped by them anymore. Glance that just says 'Don't' bother'.

It is similar to bitch face for birds. I've got my "Phil Mitchell" look down to a tee, which seems to ward off people world-wide.

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Obviously the tourism industry has been hit hard. :wacko:

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It is similar to bitch face for birds. I've got my "Phil Mitchell" look down to a tee, which seems to ward off people world-wide.

But you are a little blue rabbit. See what the "Sooty Stare" can do!

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It is similar to bitch face for birds. I've got my "Phil Mitchell" look down to a tee, which seems to ward off people world-wide.

Lots of red blusher ?

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