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Via QE has The Fed flooded the world with speculative money? Going into commodities, houses, etc. making life unaffordable for masses of people?

We are now seeing people rioting. Tunisia, Egypt, which is country next? Is it a queue that is growing larger by the day?

The USA say that Mubarak should listen to his people. Does the USA think that the people will be pro-American? Why should they be - isn't it the USA that has lowered their living standards by allowing it's financial system to commit the biggest fraud in history? Then unleash the true cost of it on the world? Mubarak has been in power for 30 years and Ben Ali for 24 years - is it only the recent decline in living standards that has made their people act?

If these overthrown states fall into the "wrong" hands, what will happen next? Oil supply could be cut off? Cue even higher commodity prices resulting in even more inflation and erosion of living standards? Are some people going to get angry enough to start pushing the buttons on nuclear weapons?

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Via Bernanke's QE has The Fed flooded the world with speculative money? Going into commodities, houses, etc. making life unaffordable for masses of people?

We are now seeing people rioting. Tunisia, Egypt, which is country next? Is it a queue that is growing larger by the day?

The USA say that Mubarak should listen to his people. Does the USA think that the people will be pro-American? Why should they be - isn't it the USA that has lowered their living standards by allowing it's financial system to commit the biggest fraud in history? Then unleash the true cost of it on the world? Mubarak has been in power for 30 years and Ben Ali for 24 years - is it only the recent decline in living standards that has made their people act?

If these overthrown states fall into the "wrong" hands, what will happen next? Oil supply could be cut off? Cue even higher commodity prices resulting in even more inflation and erosion of living standards? Are some people going to get angry enough to start pushing the buttons on nuclear weapons?

There is a rumour going around that someone recently cornered the coco market pushing up the price of choccies.(Speculation)

Also, heard flood had hit the cotton and wheat industries hard causing prices to rise. (weather cycle)

An another BIG rumour that the banksters had fuelled a credit bubble forcing prices up for everything from food to houses.(greed).

Bottom line, IMO its all down to speculation, weather cycles and plain old human greed.

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Via Bernanke's QE has The Fed flooded the world with speculative money? Going into commodities, houses, etc. making life unaffordable for masses of people?

We are now seeing people rioting. Tunisia, Egypt, which is country next? Is it a queue that is growing larger by the day?

The USA say that Mubarak should listen to his people. Does the USA think that the people will be pro-American? Why should they be - isn't it the USA that has lowered their living standards by allowing it's financial system to commit the biggest fraud in history? Then unleash the true cost of it on the world? Mubarak has been in power for 30 years and Ben Ali for 24 years - is it only the recent decline in living standards that has made their people act?

If these overthrown states fall into the "wrong" hands, what will happen next? Oil supply could be cut off? Cue even higher commodity prices resulting in even more inflation and erosion of living standards? Are some people going to get angry enough to start pushing the buttons on nuclear weapons?

propping up the dictators, money(arms) by USA - allowed them to beat the people with corrupt coercion, police/army states with networks of Gestapo and sham judges in place.

Yet USA invade - go after the sad-dam family who did exactly the same - USA illuminati hypocrites

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There is a rumour going around that someone recently cornered the coco market pushing up the price of choccies.(Speculation)

Also, heard flood had hit the cotton and wheat industries hard causing prices to rise. (weather cycle)

An another BIG rumour that the banksters had fuelled a credit bubble forcing prices up for everything from food to houses.(greed).

Bottom line, IMO its all down to speculation, weather cycles and plain old human greed.

So you don't think there are any dots to join between sub-prime, QE, speculation and greed?

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So you don't think there are any dots to join between sub-prime, QE, speculation and greed?

Don't forget in the autumn, they 'they' were stacking/storing huge tankers in the channel full of oil/fuel to create/manipulate the price (forcing/waiting for it to rise) (just so the city boy manipulating gets the xtra on his bonus for selling at higher price)

Banksters/Traders - they really have a lot to answer for and are out of ORDER!

We are all now paying Xtra for it!

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Today's biggest problems are the legacy of a couple of generations. Major efforts to keep people alive, without corresponding efforts to limit the number of births.

If you want to lay it at the door of any one person, I'd say Bob Geldof is perhaps the single strongest candidate, for arousing the public to well-meaning folly.

Not that North Africa's current troubles can be attributed directly to either of those factors. Certainly not to QE: the underlying economic distortions had been building up for some time, and the flood of 'hot money' is down to bust in the US (and, secondarily, UK/etc). QE is an effect, not the cause, of the bust.

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Don't forget in the autumn, they 'they' were stacking/storing huge tankers in the channel full of oil/fuel to create/manipulate the price (forcing/waiting for it to rise) (just so the city boy manipulating gets the xtra on his bonus for selling at higher price)

That happened in the 1970's with tankers waiting offshore as the price went up, then when the price crashed, they couldn't off load it quick enough, as there was not enough docking facilities. :lol:

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So you don't think there are any dots to join between sub-prime, QE, speculation and greed?

Indeed I do. I just don't think the Fed is the cause--their policy is a reflection of the 3 I mentioned.

There is a saying from old which sums it up:

The love of money leads to all kinds of evils.

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Today's biggest problems are the legacy of a couple of generations. Major efforts to keep people alive, without corresponding efforts to limit the number of births.

If you want to lay it at the door of any one person, I'd say Bob Geldof is perhaps the single strongest candidate, for arousing the public to well-meaning folly.

Not that North Africa's current troubles can be attributed directly to either of those factors. Certainly not to QE: the underlying economic distortions had been building up for some time, and the flood of 'hot money' is down to bust in the US (and, secondarily, UK/etc). QE is an effect, not the cause, of the bust.

I think you are correct that it isn't fair to apportion all the blame to one person. If Bernanke is to blame surely Greenspan is as well?

Therefore I have edited the thread title.

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I think you are correct that it isn't fair to apportion all the blame to one person. If Bernanke is to blame surely Greenspan is as well?

Therefore I have edited the thread title.

Governments do share in the blame and Brown refused to stop our speculative bubble and enhanced it by turning a blind eye to LIAR LOANS and the corruption that was allowed to take over our banks. The result: wide spread banksterism and ensuing collapse in confidence in the government and the economy. People will resort to fiddle like never before because they see our MPs at it and our bankers brazenly emptying tills as if they were owed more than a decent living.

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That happened in the 1970's with tankers waiting offshore as the price went up, then when the price crashed, they couldn't off load it quick enough, as there was not enough docking facilities. :lol:

Thanks for the Xtra info!

It shows that THE CITY is wholly corrupt - yet again.

They artificially manipulate whatever markets they are trading in (to maximise Bonuses/fees to bank owners)

Trading now has NOTHING to do with buying and selling ACTUAL tangible products based on true values of produce, presently available!

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So you don't think there are any dots to join between sub-prime, QE, speculation and greed?

The whole rotten system is to blame. Until we get back to rewarding those who invent and produce things that makes society better, instead of rewarding those who seek to manipulate markets and profit from hoarding essential commodities (including houses) it's going to get no better.

Edit - in response to the OP, yes, the Fed most probably will eventually.

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Governments do share in the blame and Brown refused to stop our speculative bubble and enhanced it by turning a blind eye to LIAR LOANS and the corruption that was allowed to take over our banks. The result: wide spread banksterism and ensuing collapse in confidence in the government and the economy. People will resort to fiddle like never before because they see our MPs at it and our bankers brazenly emptying tills as if they were owed more than a decent living.

I don't think our bubble has as much power as the USA's to affect other parts of the world.

Brown is clearly the most inept chancellor in history but don't forget Thatcher's Big Bang. You could argue that helped deal Greenspan and Bernanke a poor hand - but the USA didn't have to let their financial sector seize control of their government.

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My bet is the Dow will rise on Monday. Fear is driving investors into stocks and commodities and we know the fed is printing like mad - all that liquidity! BTW how many of you sensed how downbeat Obama wa during the state of the nation address-his call for a new American century was a desperate attemp to get the rich to invest in American manufacturing and infrastructure. The response? Very sour press the next day.

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My bet is the Dow will rise on Monday. Fear is driving investors into stocks and commodities and we know the fed is printing like mad - all that liquidity! BTW how many of you sensed how downbeat Obama wa during the state of the nation address-his call for a new American century was a desperate attemp to get the rich to invest in American manufacturing and infrastructure. The response? Very sour press the next day.

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Governments do share in the blame and Brown refused to stop our speculative bubble and enhanced it by turning a blind eye to LIAR LOANS and the corruption that was allowed to take over our banks. The result: wide spread banksterism and ensuing collapse in confidence in the government and the economy. People will resort to fiddle like never before because they see our MPs at it and our bankers brazenly emptying tills as if they were owed more than a decent living.

I agree. What has changed is the public perception of bankers and politicians. Their corruption is hideous. The average person might feel powerless to change the system and so has two choices: to allow the system to milk them for every drop of life-blood; or to adopt the same corrupt principles and grab what they can when they can.

Our leaders have led us into moral degradation.

It seems chaos and strife will fight this one out for years to come. Let's hope the nations of north Africa can form governments better than our own.

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The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

The Fed's inflationary policies are toppling the friendly puppet regimes the CIA installed in Arab States

:lol::lol:

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I posted several months back that the US Fed QE policy will create more Bin Ladens and that most in America will be totally confused when they discover more anti-US terrorists plotting to kill Americans... and us Brits also... as a result of the printy printy which is resulting in food and fuel soaring.

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Let's face it.. selling the usual piles of $hit encrusted mortgage based do- da's is a busted flush... there's no market, there's nothing left to ramp up or speculate on.

Look at the world of commodities and it's a cornucopia of possibilities... you can take your CDO's, derivatives and everything else and simply nail them onto every commodity you can find... different potatoes, same gravy. Business as usual quick as a flash "the fundamentals or lard mean it's a prime investment... fancy a lard backed mortgage deal sir?"

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I just don't think the Fed is the cause--

yes i am starting to think you really do not, as i remember you where very hopeful of interest rate rises from the FED after the panic of 08 and to be fair there seemed a slim chance of a proper corrective attempt to get things back to a sensible medium, however slashing rates and unleashing the largest QE in human history kinda made the anti FED peoples case better than we ever could ourselves and then TARP came along and just sealed everything in concrete and dropped it off a pier, game over.

i can only assume then that you have either overwhelming vested interests or an ideological bias or both for you to have kept this up for as long as you have in spite of a mountain of evidence including loads of people on here telling you exactly what would happen (peter schiff for example) and being right pretty much constantly, but your excuses really are paper thin now however , as people are dieing and panic is in the air for a lot of others because the institutions that you have so much faith in are fundamentally corrupt and obviously to the detriment of the whole of humanity.

there really is no rational argument left to the contrary now, the only ones to cling to revolve around faith and loyalty, which are to the detriment of your basic survival instincts at this point , but i am almost sure that you will just roll out another tirade against putin or the chinese or the mullahs etc etc but before you do please remember that some of us posting here oppose all tyranny not just the easy to hate ones...

as the "better the devil you know " excuse sounds patronizing, hollow and a bit sick at this point.

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What is the evidence for this?

By the start of 1935, American large corporations favoured under Roosevelt

were making unprecedented profits both in the US and abroad, especially

in Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.

The Motor companies Ford and General Motors alone made enormous sums in establishing manufacturing plants for building tanks and military transport vehicles - later used to kill American soldiers in World War II.

Standard (Flag) Oil made huge sums in providing fuel for the Third Reich as well as specialized aircraft oils vital to maintain the operation of aircraft - even during World War II when these same planes were used to destroy American fighters and bombers.

One of the most successful new companies under this new era of capitalism was the company formerly called International Business Machines Corporation, who supplied the first commercial computing services to the Nazis and Heinrich Himmler in order to process names, addresses and personal details of tens of millions of people to be either rounded up for elimination, or allowed to live. Without US innovation by US companies, the Holocaust simply logistically wouldn't have been possible.

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yes i am starting to think you really do not, as i remember you where very hopeful of interest rate rises from the FED after the panic of 08 and to be fair there seemed a slim chance of a proper corrective attempt to get things back to a sensible medium, however slashing rates and unleashing the largest QE in human history kinda made the anti FED peoples case better than we ever could ourselves and then TARP came along and just sealed everything in concrete and dropped it off a pier, game over.

i can only assume then that you have either overwhelming vested interests or an ideological bias or both for you to have kept this up for as long as you have in spite of a mountain of evidence including loads of people on here telling you exactly what would happen (peter schiff for example) and being right pretty much constantly, but your excuses really are paper thin now however , as people are dieing and panic is in the air for a lot of others because the institutions that you have so much faith in are fundamentally corrupt and obviously to the detriment of the whole of humanity.

there really is no rational argument left to the contrary now, the only ones to cling to revolve around faith and loyalty, which are to the detriment of your basic survival instincts at this point , but i am almost sure that you will just roll out another tirade against putin or the chinese or the mullahs etc etc but before you do please remember that some of us posting here oppose all tyranny not just the easy to hate ones...

as the "better the devil you know " excuse sounds patronizing, hollow and a bit sick at this point.

He bought some dollars

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