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British scientists 'invent artificial petrol' that could cost just 90p per GALLON (and there's no carbon)
A revolutionary synthetic fuel which costs just 90p per gallon
and will run in existing cars
could spell the end of sky-high prices at the pumps.

The Arabs and big oil will NOT like this. These mooshes might want to refrain from hillwalking holidays.

Funny thing, one of my in-laws who works for an advanced chemical engineering company told me that diesel was about to die because of some "new technology" about to be released that would revolutionise fuel. Seems that this may be it. Quick--dump your oil burners and go petrol! SELL SELL SELL!!!

But that said--the government will find a way of taxing water (H) used in the fuel so that we are no better orf at the pump.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1351341/Relief-pumps-Revolutionary-hydrogen-fuel-cost-just-90p-GALLON-run-existing-cars.html

British scientists 'invent artificial petrol' that could cost just 90p per GALLON (and there's no carbon)
A revolutionary synthetic fuel which costs just 90p per gallon
and will run in existing cars
could spell the end of sky-high prices at the pumps.

The Arabs and big oil will NOT like this. These mooshes might want to refrain from hillwalking holidays.

Funny thing, one of my in-laws who works for an advanced chemical engineering company told me that diesel was about to die because of some "new technology" about to be released that would revolutionise fuel. Seems that this may be it. Quick--dump your oil burners and go petrol! SELL SELL SELL!!!

But that said--the government will find a way of taxing water (H) used in the fuel so that we are no better orf at the pump.

Oh, you're the one who buys the Mail...?

Actually they are as bad/stupid as each other...!!!

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Where does the energy come from to make the fuel? That's the real problem.

I disagree. The real problem is energy storage. Finding energy isn't difficult, worst case there's always nuclear.

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Hydrogen takes more energy to produce than you get back from it. If we have a surplus of hydrogen as a by-product of industrial processes, surely the best way to make use of it is as a fuel in a special adapted gas-fired power station.

Unless there's something radically different about this hydrogen production process, I can't see any future in it. The most promising future technology for cars, I think, is range-extender hybrids with a diesel engined back-up generator. Like the Chevy Volt but with a diesel engine instead of a petrol engine.

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Only the oil industry wants us to go with hydrogen.... So they can keep making a fortune.

Hydrogen is over.

Electric is the future. In fact its the present.

100% electric cars coming out in mass production in 2011:

Nissan Leaf

Peugeot Ion

Ford Focus Electric

Volt

And the coolest car company in the world, Tesla.

Tesla Roadster

Tesla Model S

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Road congestion will be appalling at that price. No one will be able to move anywhere.

There will be no alternative but to use road pricing to ration journeys if the reputed cost of this technology is really true.

And as a poster said, where does the energy come from? Creating hydrogen uses energy, so hydrogen is just a way of storing energy untl it can be profitably used. What are we going to use as the energy source?

I am wondering if solar power in the furnace of the sahara desert might be a good place, lots of energy there if you can harness the sun in some way.

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I disagree. The real problem is energy storage. Finding energy isn't difficult, worst case there's always nuclear.

Good thing cost doesn't come into it and nuclear really is too cheap to meter.

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Check out ITM LN. Interesting company bringing products to market in the near future.

Use alternative energy source to create the electricity and hydrogen to store it.

Personally I think electric cars will only ever be an interim gimmick. Hydrogen or derivative products are the future.

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Hydrogen takes more energy to produce than you get back from it. If we have a surplus of hydrogen as a by-product of industrial processes, surely the best way to make use of it is as a fuel in a special adapted gas-fired power station.

Unless there's something radically different about this hydrogen production process, I can't see any future in it. The most promising future technology for cars, I think, is range-extender hybrids with a diesel engined back-up generator. Like the Chevy Volt but with a diesel engine instead of a petrol engine.

Game change with nano-tech, apprently. Yesterday's impossibilities are tomorrow's doddles.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1351341/Relief-pumps-Revolutionary-hydrogen-fuel-cost-just-90p-GALLON-run-existing-cars.html

British scientists 'invent artificial petrol' that could cost just 90p per GALLON (and there's no carbon)
A revolutionary synthetic fuel which costs just 90p per gallon
and will run in existing cars
could spell the end of sky-high prices at the pumps.

The Arabs and big oil will NOT like this. These mooshes might want to refrain from hillwalking holidays.

Funny thing, one of my in-laws who works for an advanced chemical engineering company told me that diesel was about to die because of some "new technology" about to be released that would revolutionise fuel. Seems that this may be it. Quick--dump your oil burners and go petrol! SELL SELL SELL!!!

But that said--the government will find a way of taxing water (H) used in the fuel so that we are no better orf at the pump.

They said nuclear power generated electricity would be cheap in the 50s, still waiting.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1351341/Relief-pumps-Revolutionary-hydrogen-fuel-cost-just-90p-GALLON-run-existing-cars.html

British scientists 'invent artificial petrol' that could cost just 90p per GALLON (and there's no carbon)
A revolutionary synthetic fuel which costs just 90p per gallon
and will run in existing cars
could spell the end of sky-high prices at the pumps.

The Arabs and big oil will NOT like this. These mooshes might want to refrain from hillwalking holidays.

Funny thing, one of my in-laws who works for an advanced chemical engineering company told me that diesel was about to die because of some "new technology" about to be released that would revolutionise fuel. Seems that this may be it. Quick--dump your oil burners and go petrol! SELL SELL SELL!!!

But that said--the government will find a way of taxing water (H) used in the fuel so that we are no better orf at the pump.

b*llocks.

The EROEI is negative for hydrogen

You have to put more energy into extraction than you get out. Fine for samll and specialist application where hydrogen has specific uses (welding etc). Total b*llocks as as substitute for petroleum fuel.

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Personally I think electric cars will only ever be an interim gimmick. Hydrogen or derivative products are the future.

Personally I think hydrogen is the interim tech. We have 30 million cars in this country, and the Americans have 300 million, so we need a solution which works in EXISTING cars.

Then, once a decent ultra capacitor has been invented we'll move to pure electric cars, and ships, and airplanes, and tanks, etc.

(Of course the govt will love pumped hydrogen since they can tax it just like petrol. Electric is more problematic, you could 'fill up' at home.)

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Game change with nano-tech, apprently. Yesterday's impossibilities are tomorrow's doddles.

Specific peer reviewed links links showing the above?

Let me help you here...there aren't any

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They said nuclear power generated electricity would be cheap in the 50s, still waiting.

In France they've had cheap nuke-generated electricity for years. The really dumb thing they did was to cut their hydro projects though in favour of nukes, they should have developed them both.

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b*llocks.

The EROEI is negative for hydrogen

You have to put more energy into extraction than you get out. Fine for samll and specialist application where hydrogen has specific uses (welding etc). Total b*llocks as as substitute for petroleum fuel.

The belief in perpetual motion machines is quite strong here on HPC ;)

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You have to put more energy into extraction than you get out. Fine for samll and specialist application where hydrogen has specific uses (welding etc). Total b*llocks as as substitute for petroleum fuel.

Hydrogen is the energy CARRIER, the actual energy source is something else, to be decided. There will oviously be a loss between energy in and energy out; that's life.

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Personally I think hydrogen is the interim tech. We have 30 million cars in this country, and the Americans have 300 million, so we need a solution which works in EXISTING cars.

Then, once a decent ultra capacitor has been invented we'll move to pure electric cars, and ships, and airplanes, and tanks, etc.

(Of course the govt will love pumped hydrogen since they can tax it just like petrol. Electric is more problematic, you could 'fill up' at home.)

They'll tax road use instead of the fuel eventually.

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British scientists 'invent artificial petrol' that could cost just 90p per GALLON (and there's no carbon)
A revolutionary synthetic fuel which costs just 90p per gallon
and will run in existing cars
could spell the end of sky-high prices at the pumps.

The Arabs and big oil will NOT like this. These mooshes might want to refrain from hillwalking holidays.

Funny thing, one of my in-laws who works for an advanced chemical engineering company told me that diesel was about to die because of some "new technology" about to be released that would revolutionise fuel. Seems that this may be it. Quick--dump your oil burners and go petrol! SELL SELL SELL!!!

But that said--the government will find a way of taxing water (H) used in the fuel so that we are no better orf at the pump.

Where does the hydrogen come from? Usually it is from electrolysis of water. Electricity is expensive and usually produced using a carbon based fuel, electrolysis is very inefficient, and this technology does nothing to solve either of those problems. It only claims to solve the storage problem.

Also, a litre of hydrogen doesn't have anything like the same energy as petrol or diesel. That should be considered when comparing prices.

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I disagree. The real problem is energy storage. Finding energy isn't difficult, worst case there's always nuclear.

EROEI - how must energy you have to put in to get some out. It has to be positive or there is no point

Speed of flow - It's no good if the EROEI is positive if the speed at which you can get hold of it does not meet the size of demand. This is why renewables are useless in terms of servicing the needs of 7 billion and rising.

Absolute supply - It's no good if the EROEI and the speed of flow are good if it is going to run out sooner rather than later

Oh, and one more thing, in terms of current transportation systems, it needs to be portable

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Only the oil industry wants us to go with hydrogen.... So they can keep making a fortune.

Hydrogen is over.

Electric is the future. In fact its the present.

100% electric cars coming out in mass production in 2011:

Nissan Leaf

Peugeot Ion

Ford Focus Electric

Volt

And the coolest car company in the world, Tesla.

Tesla Roadster

Tesla Model S

Electric is the past. In fact it was around before diesel engines were invented.

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