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I’ve often read within HPC the desire to emigrate. I have that option too, and wanted to understand what might hold me back or what would I miss. Here are some reasons, biased towards London, on why I like the United Kingdom:

+ the other day I saw a Japanese man and his attempt at an afro. It made me laugh.

+ I’m spoilt for choice in my contribution to do good deeds.

+ I like it when it rains here, although I like it when the rain stops too.

+ the irony and its ranks.

+ a chance conversation with a stranger, or an affable and wise cabbie.

+ when it takes my fancy, that I have the choice of pie and mash, fish and chips, ‘best kebabs’, sushi, and pho – well where I live anyway.

+ the Tate modern, the building, not necessarily the art.

+ Wolverhampton, for reasons I won’t disclose.

+ accents.

+ the English language, and its corruptions.

+ bingo

+ british advertising, its humour and wit.

+ British rail, for pleasure. I don’t need it for business.

+ any book shop with an arm chair.

+ When asked, helping people who are lost.

+ a well run state funded children’s nursery.

+ the newspapers, their sharp criticism, and of course their diverse hypocrisy.

+ Its history. Britain remembers its past, allowing me to remember mine.

+ the smell of turf, after it’s been mowed, particularly at my home football ground.

+ when the chance permits, walks along the English coastline, irrespective of the weather.

+ that I know some old folk who are still wise in their old age.

+ the wide range of people, their beliefs, and what drives them.

This is wistful, and I could go on. But I'm interested in what HPC members like about the UK. I know some folks don’t live in the UK, but if you're an ex-pat, you’re welcome to participate. The principle is the same. I know for some folks there is very little to inspire them about the UK, both now and the future. But what’s the little bit that keeps you going?

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I’ve often read within HPC the desire to emigrate.  I have that option too, and wanted to understand what might hold me back or what would I miss.  Here are some reasons, biased towards London, on why I like the United Kingdom:

+ the other day I saw a Japanese man and his attempt at an afro.  It made me laugh.

+ I’m spoilt for choice in my contribution to do good deeds.

+ I like it when it rains here, although I like it when the rain stops too.

+ the irony and its ranks. 

+ a chance conversation with a stranger, or an affable and wise cabbie.

+ when it takes my fancy, that I have the choice of pie and mash, fish and chips, ‘best kebabs’, sushi, and pho – well where I live anyway.

+ the Tate modern, the building, not necessarily the art.

+ Wolverhampton, for reasons I won’t disclose.

+ accents.

+ the English language, and its corruptions.

+ bingo

+ british advertising, its humour and wit.

+ British rail, for pleasure.  I don’t need it for business.

+ any book shop with an arm chair.

+ When asked, helping people who are lost.

+ a well run state funded children’s nursery.

+ the newspapers, their sharp criticism, and of course their diverse hypocrisy.

+ Its history. Britain remembers its past, allowing me to remember mine.

+ the smell of turf, after it’s been mowed, particularly at my home football ground.

+ when the chance permits, walks along the English coastline, irrespective of the weather.

+ that I know some old folk who are still wise in their old age.

+ the wide range of people, their beliefs, and what drives them.

This is wistful, and I could go on.  But I'm interested in what HPC members like about the UK.  I know some folks don’t live in the UK, but if you're an ex-pat, you’re welcome to participate.  The principle is the same.  I know for some folks there is very little to inspire them about the UK, both now and the future.  But what’s the little bit that keeps you going?

I agree with all of your points, (and don't have the time to add my own). I wouldn't choose to live anywhere else in the world. I've visited many countries on both pleasure and business, and I'm always pleased to come home. Best country in the world still, for me.

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I’m spoilt for choice in my contribution to do good deeds.

Do you think charities don't exist in other countries as well?

I like it when it rains

Bizarre. :unsure:

British rail, for pleasure

You find travelling on British Rail pleasurable????? :o

a well run state funded children’s nursery.

These are about as rare as rocking-horse s**t in the UK.

Reasons Not To Emigrate

.......?

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I lived a year in the Netherlands, and 3 years in Oman (Middle East).

Both were perfectly nice places, but as an expat I found that I was always going to be outside of their society looking in, and not just due to language barriers.

The longer I was away from the UK the more I came to appreciate its good points. Since I have returned these feelings have not gone away - I am far happier living in the UK than if I had never been an expat.

I would recommend living and working abroad for a good chunk of time (>6 months) to anyone, if only to make you appreciate what you have got in the UK.

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Bizarre. :unsure: (JOSH'S COMMENT TO 'I LIKE IT WHEN IT RAINS')

Its not bizzare Josh, I know lots of people who echo this sentiment. I find the endless hot and dry days & nights of Spain or Greece very monotonous and depressing.

I love hot days but after a little while it becomes oppresive so I look forward to a good old British downpour to revive the senses and freshen the air.

I also like the fact we are not robots. I find many nationalities fall over themselves to conform. We dont and we hate authority.

Worst feature of UK is the level of everyday violence and dis - repect.

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Its not bizzare Josh, I know lots of people who echo this sentiment. I find the endless hot and dry days & nights of Spain or Greece very monotonous and depressing.

I love hot days but after a little while it becomes oppresive so I look forward to a good old British downpour to revive the senses and freshen the air......

Too right Dogbox. Ive lived in Andalucia throughout one summer. Never again.

It was 5 months (May-Sept inc) of scorching oppressive heat, very little breeze, no rain, and not even any cloud. It was far too hot throughout the day to do much and temperatures remained high throughout the evening and night. I like the sun but month after month of it is tedious even for the locals who had been brought up with it.

I'll stick to visits in the winter from now on. B)

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Too right Dogbox. Ive lived in Andalucia throughout one summer. Never again.

It was 5 months (May-Sept inc) of scorching oppressive heat, very little breeze, no rain, and not even any cloud. It was far too hot throughout the day to do much and temperatures remained high throughout the evening and night. I like the sun but month after month of it is tedious even for the locals who had been brought up with it.

I'll stick to visits in the winter from now on.  B)

Try summer in Oman. Daytime temperatures rarely drop below 40 deg, and 50 deg is common. Driving the car requires towels draped over everything, and gloves to prevent burns. Airco in the car can't touch temps without driving for at least an hour.

At home you live in an airconditioned box, with condensation streaming down the outside of the windows in the mornings. Then mid-morning dust blows onto the moisture and you get filthy brown streaks blocking your view.

The beach is too hot to walk across barefoot, and the sea is like a warm bath.

In the summer, when there are clouds in the sky people go outside to look. When it rains (every few years) all hell breaks loose, dry river beds flood, cars are washed away and people are killed. Roads have no drains so every dip in the road becomes a lake and you can't drive very far until the sun evaporates it all.

Almost no-one bothers to try to grow anything in a garden - in fact most people see no reason to have any open area around their house at all. Getting plants and grass to grow requires an enormously wasteful and expensive continuous irrigation system, and if a pipe breaks or someone switches the system off, everything dies in a few days.

All very interesting for a year or two, but not for the rest of my life.

Now I appreciate that rain is why I live in a green country, why the streets are clean(ish), why cities don't smell of sewage, why tapwater is (relatively) cheap.

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The UK is a fine place to live. Ok the ethnic make up of the country is

becoming like the USA. But who cares thats thanks to new labours

socialist dream.

Born British & Proud To Be British

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Rockdoctor,

Thanks I had a good laugh here. I've worked in Saudi for a while and remember being in an taxi which didn't have air con. It was like having a hair dryer switched onto the maximum directly in your face! Plus the taxi was carpeted top to bottom and was full of sand!

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There are two distinct things here:

!/ The physical qualities of the UK - the countryside, architecture, weather etc

2/The UK society and attitudes etc

Yes sure the UK scores well on point 1/ but on point 2/ p1sses me off so bad that its emigration for me.

Incidentally Bulgaria has slightly warmer summers and cooler winters than the UK so it certainly doesnt have monotonous weather.

If i had loads of dosh i might stay in the UK and not emigrate to Bulgaria as i could avoid a lot of the UK crap.

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There are two distinct things here:

I agree. I also have an exhausting list as to why I should emigrate! It will be a while before I decide (with plenty of reckies!)- but I wanted to make a balanced decision. In the end I realise it's a very personal decision.

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I lived a year in the Netherlands, and 3 years in Oman (Middle East).

Both were perfectly nice places, but as an expat I found that I was always going to be outside of their society looking in, and not just due to language barriers.

The longer I was away from the UK the more I came to appreciate its good points. Since I have returned these feelings have not gone away - I am far happier living in the UK than if I had never been an expat.

I would recommend living and working abroad for a good chunk of time (>6 months) to anyone, if only to make you appreciate what you have got in the UK.

I tried this as well (a range of countries). Trouble is it just me realise even more how crap the UK is. Now that I'm back there isn't a day that I don't think that the word crap was somehow invented specifically for this country.

London has its (good) moments. At least it is interesting. Living in provincial UK would be unspeakable torture for me. I start to get twitchy outside zone 2 - and unfortunately I now live in zone 5.

But to try a least to maintain the positive nature of the thread, don't forget beer is 8Eur a pint in Paris. And the locals are very, very annoying.

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I tried this as well (a range of countries). Trouble is it just me realise even more how crap the UK is. Now that I'm back there isn't a day that I don't think that the word crap was somehow invented specifically for this country.

London has its (good) moments. At least it is interesting.  Living in provincial UK would be unspeakable torture for me. I start to get twitchy outside zone 2 - and unfortunately I now live in zone 5.

Hello BTB, just got back from Berlin. Good investment, cr@p city, amazingly polite people.

England is no. 1 for me, but I am exasperated by our chav culture (violent white van man, mums gone to iceland, KFC bargain bucket, tarty white girls talking like black boys, teenage pregnancy, savaloys, The Sun, Holby City, Hello Mag, dolchaaayy galbarna etc) the like of which I dont encounter abroad on the scale we have to endure.

Im the opposite to you. Im never happier just going home to the countryside each night. Fresh leaf - mould aromas, fuggy bonfires, open space, nature and above all the peace and quiet. Towns and citys fill me dread, even though I love dark and dirty dance music shaking my foundations.

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Its worth remembering when you go to all these lovely cheap countries with yer pockets stuffed with sterling that lifes so wonderful and the lifestyle is just great ..... until you realise that costs are high for those on a local wage.

Also you may have noticed how many Europeans are in your place of work ... largely because a professional job in many countries is extremely hard to get.

Amsterdam and Paris just wonderful cities - take the day out and wander through some of the subburbs (all your gun and crack problems and bad social housing are here too)

The glorious USA - I don't remember them rescuing people from Boscastle with M16's ....

Canada - beautiful until you drive 15 miles to a drinking hole encased in 18 tons of concrete within a shopping mall

Australia ditto and for all of you that bang on about globalisation and american work practises well they revel in it here as well.

Emigration isnt always as attractive as it appears on the surface ...

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Radio 4, The daily telegraph\Gaurdian and Real Ale.

Radio 4 as well as being serious has fantastic comedy, I have nearly died with laughter listening to Just a Minute and I'm sorry I havent a clue.

We do have the ability to laugh and critizise oursleves.

Apart from that it is an overcrowded chav infested flea pit.

IMHO, Our biggest problem is not House prices but over population. Cut the latter and the former problem will go away (eventually).

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I personally think this place is shit. And I get the feeling half the people living here don't actually want to be here-- they just put up with it.

2p

People talk about "country lanes, english pubs" etc. like its the only redeeming factor--and brit humour?

Hmm well, they're the same people who moan that they got "home fries" or "not real bacon" with their english breakfast. :rolleyes:

Reasons not to emmigrate:

you can't get in B)

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I personally think this place is shit. And I get the feeling half the people living here don't actually want to be here-- they just put up with it.

2p

People talk about "country lanes, english pubs" etc. like its the only redeeming factor--and brit humour?

Hmm well, they're the same people who moan that they got "home fries" or "not real bacon" with their english breakfast.  :rolleyes:

Reasons not to emmigrate:

you can't get in B)

Alot of people come back, Britain is just the best of a bad bunch. I did live in the states and at the time I loved it, but it is a bit of a culture vacuum, and it is not a place I would want to be poor in.

If you go to any of the super cheap to live in places like SE Asia or Latin America you still have to pay global prices for global products.

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They come back due to the above mentioned factors. You even get "yahoo groups" of sad expats moaning that the baked beans aren't Heinze's.

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Alot of people come back, Britain is just the best of a bad bunch. I did live in the states and at the time I loved it, but it is a bit of a culture vacuum, and it is not a place I would want to be poor in.

If you go to any of the super cheap to live in places like SE Asia or Latin America you still have to pay global prices for global products.

I too worked in the states a couple of years ago,and I loved it.However it isn't without it's bad points.....like crap telly with commercials every 5 minutes,naff bacon and a serious lack of soccer(proper football)

I would have to say that sunday mornings in the UK with a mountain of newspapers,a good cup of tea and a bacon butty are something that I really appreciate since coming back.

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I too worked in the states a couple of years ago,and I loved it.However it isn't without it's bad points.....like crap telly with commercials every 5 minutes,naff bacon and a serious lack of football

I would have to say that sunday mornings in the UK with a mountain of newspapers,a good cup of tea and a bacon butty are something that I really appreciate since coming back.

seems like england is good for err

bacon

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