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Poeple: "but my granddad fought the war, my nan paid taxes for 60 years, we deserve our council house and benefits!"

Me: I don't care.

What is, is, how we are is how we are, whoever is here is here. Simples. So where do we go from here?

For me, these vast load of potential immigrants, foreign born employees is like Christmas.

My company has it's back against the wall. I couldn't give a poo about people's sense of self worth, entitlement or other over inflated view of themselves, I am a lieutenant in my company fighting a battle against the United States, China and India and to a lesser extent the rest of Europe. I want the very best of the very best working for me and my organisation as it will make or break us. I want child tax credit, working family tax credit abolished, I want unemployment benefits restricted to 3 month maximum every five years of work, housing benefit capped at 80% of the local market rate. I see homelessness as collateral damage for the free market. I am a absolute believer in the free market and personal responsibility. If you lose your job and and fail to find work in 3 months, I would rather see you on the streets with a begging bowl that in receipt of any further State help. not for any other reason than that 95% of people in that situation would adapt and find alternative work within that time however low down the rung and then work themselves up by bettering themselves. I want low taxes and low spending. I want a system where bankers millions must be spent within the country rather than stored in the Cayman Islands

I am sick and tired of Brits with an over inflated sense of self worth and ego refusing to work, demanding more than their market value. I am happy to see the UK with the super rich on one side and people living hand to mouth on the other other. That is the reality of life however much we choose to deny it. I still belive in a State safety net where someone may receive £100/wk max for a bedsit and be given £20 of Tesco and Sainsburys food vouchers and a little more for each dependant. Smaller carrot bigger stick.

I also support the State opening subsidised factories so the UK manufactures once again and exports to the world and compete with China and India.

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are you all-right? :unsure:

Yes, I am alright. Thanks for asking.

If you disagree with anything I said you will need to elaborate on what part of what I said that you found unpalatable.

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Poeple: "but my granddad fought the war, my nan paid taxes for 60 years, we deserve our council house and benefits!"

Me: I don't care.

What is, is, how we are is how we are, whoever is here is here. Simples. So where do we go from here?

For me, these vast load of potential immigrants, foreign born employees is like Christmas.

Give it a few more years and this place will be like Dubai, with slave foreign workers who have their passports held by gang masters, to benefit a diminishing, but grossly enriched elite.

Welcome to your "brave new world."

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At the end of the day, the citizen's self worth is determined ultimately by the force of the military power which stands behind it. If Wellington had not faced off Napolean when he did - and that must have taken iron balls of the grandest order - we'd all be under foreign imperial rule. Just a recent example, there were many many dictatorial threats which British military has seen off. People forget - not in your lifetime, not taught properly at school - it's nothing. The fact that the lives of every single man woman and child you know is at the whim of a very few powerful men could actually drive a person to madness - hell it could be said that great conquerers themselves exibited madness at times. And yet they shaped - and will continue to shape the world as we know it. Our current state of complacency is obvious to me at least, now is the time to be building up an army - our country is weak, and don't ever think it can't be taken. Think about the consequenses of that. That's all I'm saying. Boom and bust is a fact of history - proven to be unbroken so far. As is invasion and warfare. It wasn't so long ago that people in this land half expected to be under german rule.

I get what you are saying about entitlement - it's a glib facet of a nation that has luckily been free of war for many years - and as a historical probability is overdue to be engaged. The rights of the people are fairly peachy when considering this. War is also the usual escape mechanism of a depression. It is used to blow off the strata of unneeded unemployed men...

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Yes, I am alright. Thanks for asking.

If you disagree with anything I said you will need to elaborate on what part of what I said that you found unpalatable.

no you are correct by and large, you just seem a bit stressed. :unsure:

it will take a massive drop in the standard of living (or cost) for the Brit to compete with the Pole.

ok a massive HPC.

Until then the unemployed will go on the dole and claim the mortgage of the state, until that is cut and then bye bye.

and of course it will be cut because we can't afford it.

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Poeple: "but my granddad fought the war, my nan paid taxes for 60 years, we deserve our council house and benefits!"

Me: I don't care.

What is, is, how we are is how we are, whoever is here is here. Simples. So where do we go from here?

For me, these vast load of potential immigrants, foreign born employees is like Christmas.

My company has it's back against the wall. I couldn't give a poo about people's sense of self worth, entitlement or other over inflated view of themselves, I am a lieutenant in my company fighting a battle against the United States, China and India and to a lesser extent the rest of Europe. I want the very best of the very best working for me and my organisation as it will make or break us. I want child tax credit, working family tax credit abolished, I want unemployment benefits restricted to 3 month maximum every five years of work, housing benefit capped at 80% of the local market rate. I see homelessness as collateral damage for the free market. I am a absolute believer in the free market and personal responsibility. If you lose your job and and fail to find work in 3 months, I would rather see you on the streets with a begging bowl that in receipt of any further State help. not for any other reason than that 95% of people in that situation would adapt and find alternative work within that time however low down the rung and then work themselves up by bettering themselves. I want low taxes and low spending. I want a system where bankers millions must be spent within the country rather than stored in the Cayman Islands

I am sick and tired of Brits with an over inflated sense of self worth and ego refusing to work, demanding more than their market value. I am happy to see the UK with the super rich on one side and people living hand to mouth on the other other. That is the reality of life however much we choose to deny it. I still belive in a State safety net where someone may receive £100/wk max for a bedsit and be given £20 of Tesco and Sainsburys food vouchers and a little more for each dependant. Smaller carrot bigger stick.

I also support the State opening subsidised factories so the UK manufactures once again and exports to the world and compete with China and India.

Free marketeer my ****, crony capitalist just like the bankers. Looking out for his own interests and doesnt give a damn about anyone else and attempting to disguise that fact. Individuals such as yourself are why the country is in the mess its in.

zero credibility post.

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Sound`s like some one is looking for cheap labour to make his failing company more competitive ?you must remember we are all in it together

The question that needs to be asked is why wage demand is so high in this country ? it would not be ,because of the cost living by any chance

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Earthling you are a horrible/objectionable creature, please go away and die!

Oh I can certainly go away but the fact of the matter is that my perspective and opinions have developed through managing my responsibilities. I too would love to live in Laa Laa Land but the harsh reality of the world around me and my duties to my organisation and staff have made me believe what I believe. If you were in my shoes with my responsibilities you too would [be forced to] feel exactly the same. My opinions are based on what I see and in relation to the responsibilities I have to the people who feed and cloth me and the people who i myself feed and cloth.

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no you are correct by and large, you just seem a bit stressed. :unsure:

it will take a massive drop in the standard of living (or cost) for the Brit to compete with the Pole.

ok a massive HPC.

Until then the unemployed will go on the dole and claim the mortgage of the state, until that is cut and then bye bye.

and of course it will be cut because we can't afford it.

In the short term yes, in the long term no. The Pole has a much lower base than the Brit. Brits will the deal with the the Polish threat by innovating far better products or services or producing the same for equal or less. The poles end up with a higher standard of living, the Brits less, but we always had more to lose, a higher mountain to climb and the poles more to gain.

Its easy to score an A* its much harder to keep it.

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Give it a few more years and this place will be like Dubai, with slave foreign workers who have their passports held by gang masters, to benefit a diminishing, but grossly enriched elite.

Welcome to your "brave new world."

Thanks for your reply, I was waiting for just such a response. How about those horrible Poles who live 10 to a room, work 18hr days and work for £2/hr, how do us poor Brits compete with them? Answer = We don't.

In my argument, Im not factoring gang masters robbing and enslaving poor folk. Not at all. That is entirely different discussion. They should be punished by the full extent of the law.

What I am talking about is folks working within the EU working time directive with NMW and within the law.

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I see homelessness as collateral damage for the free market. I am a absolute believer in the free market and personal responsibility. I also support the State opening subsidised factories so the UK manufactures once again and exports to the world and compete with China and India.

Instant fail! Subsidised factories are NOT free markets.

:lol::lol::lol:

Also if we had a free market all of your money and your 'wealth' is suddenly WORTHLESS. Because fiat currency is a product of a non free market. Fiat currency CANNOT exist in a free market. A free market we all go back to barter.

Additionally all of the assets you hold suddenly do not become yours either as land belongs to everybody not just you. Therefore if you want a true free market you're going to be JUST as poor as everybody else.... but you don't want a free market do you, you want a nasty pretend free market whereby all the benefits accrue to one side of society.

As below if you do this you completely collaspe your OWN demand therefore impoverishing yourself.

except me because I am armed. B)

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What I am talking about is folks working within the EU working time directive with NMW and within the law.

FAIL again, free markets do not have national minimum wages or time working restrictions.

So essentially you want to go back 200 years and have slaves then? How incredibly progressive.

You do realise that your work force and everybody else's work force will form a large component of your demand, if they are impoverished so then there will be no demand for whatever it is you make or think you make which you think can be exported. So you pay me a bowl of rice a day how am I supposed to buy anything you make.... in fact other nations will compete even more agressively so other than rice growers who will be wealthy, certainly not you. In fact if you whip me for a bowl of rice what stops me from having a small plot of land and growing my own stuff or as in the the other post hunting other humans? Remember free markets don't have the landhoarding which is currently happening therefore you cannot prevent me from doing this unless you don't want a free market.

But as said it's not a free market with slavery or laws to prevent certain things.

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My company has it's back against the wall.

No worries, just let me know when you get the boot and I will let you know what you have to do at the Dole Office.

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No worries, just let me know when you get the boot and I will let you know what you have to do at the Dole Office.

You know its days like this I miss Injin and he'd systematically demolish pretend capitalists like this.

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Poeple: "but my granddad fought the war, my nan paid taxes for 60 years, we deserve our council house and benefits!"

Me: I don't care.

What is, is, how we are is how we are, whoever is here is here. Simples. So where do we go from here?

For me, these vast load of potential immigrants, foreign born employees is like Christmas.

My company has it's back against the wall. I couldn't give a poo about people's sense of self worth, entitlement or other over inflated view of themselves, I am a lieutenant in my company fighting a battle against the United States, China and India and to a lesser extent the rest of Europe. I want the very best of the very best working for me and my organisation as it will make or break us. I want child tax credit, working family tax credit abolished, I want unemployment benefits restricted to 3 month maximum every five years of work, housing benefit capped at 80% of the local market rate. I see homelessness as collateral damage for the free market. I am a absolute believer in the free market and personal responsibility. If you lose your job and and fail to find work in 3 months, I would rather see you on the streets with a begging bowl that in receipt of any further State help. not for any other reason than that 95% of people in that situation would adapt and find alternative work within that time however low down the rung and then work themselves up by bettering themselves. I want low taxes and low spending. I want a system where bankers millions must be spent within the country rather than stored in the Cayman Islands

I am sick and tired of Brits with an over inflated sense of self worth and ego refusing to work, demanding more than their market value. I am happy to see the UK with the super rich on one side and people living hand to mouth on the other other. That is the reality of life however much we choose to deny it. I still belive in a State safety net where someone may receive £100/wk max for a bedsit and be given £20 of Tesco and Sainsburys food vouchers and a little more for each dependant. Smaller carrot bigger stick.

I also support the State opening subsidised factories so the UK manufactures once again and exports to the world and compete with China and India.

Your company has it's back against the wall- so you tell us. Assuming this is not due to incompetence on your part, is it safe to conclude that demand for your companies products/services has declined of late?

Now, what do you think would happen to the demand for goods/services if David Cameron went on TV tonight and announced the end of the welfare state? The answer is that demand would fall off a cliff as everyone immediately stopped spending and started saving.

Consider, for a moment, the odd fact that China is currently so dependant on US led demand for it 's products Then consider the pattern of saving verses spending in both China and the US. Unlike the Americans, the Chinese save their money, precisely because the social safety net we have here in the west is not available to them.

What you fail to grasp is that you can't have a modern 'consumer' society in the absence of social protection, because those consumers will not spend their money- but will choose to save it instead, to insure themselves against risk.

So even if your dream of a darwinian paradise came true, it would simply result in massive demand destruction as people recalibrated their spending/saving ratio to this new reality.

You fantasy of an ever cheaper workforce contains the seed of it's own destruction- for who is it that will buy your product once you and your fellow employers have succeeded in creating a population of semi slaves?

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Instant fail! Subsidised factories are NOT free markets.

:lol::lol::lol:

Also if we had a free market all of your money and your 'wealth' is suddenly WORTHLESS. Because fiat currency is a product of a non free market. Fiat currency CANNOT exist in a free market. A free market we all go back to barter.

Additionally all of the assets you hold suddenly do not become yours either as land belongs to everybody not just you. Therefore if you want a true free market you're going to be JUST as poor as everybody else.... but you don't want a free market do you, you want a nasty pretend free market whereby all the benefits accrue to one side of society.

As below if you do this you completely collaspe your OWN demand therefore impoverishing yourself.

except me because I am armed. B)

Have a heart you swine. Socialism and Capitalism are both failures in their purest form so we need need a mix of the two. I say 95% capitalism with socialism providing a safety net for the poorest of the poor. A "true" free market would leave people dying in their homes and on the street. That is not in my heart and nor politically feasible in any sense. A true free market would mean no taxes. I dont subscribe to that. I would be happy for 10% of my salary and profits being taxed to pay for minimal social security and to help out the lowest 10%. All others should be given the bear minimum help to help themselves. There's is no greater motivator than hunger or (prospect of) lack of shelter

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Consider, for a moment, the odd fact that China is currently so dependant on US led demand for it 's products Then consider the pattern of saving verses spending in both China and the US. Unlike the Americans, the Chinese save their money, precisely because the social safety net we have here in the west is not available to them.

Yup but with the added bonus of if people are impoverished as employees they'd probably just down tools and find a plot of land to become subsistance farmers. Thus as a twist of irony unless there is an oppression force and or land controls he'd have to offer huge amounts of money to get people to work as they'd be no better off working than subsistance farming.

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Have a heart you swine. Socialism and Capitalism are both failures in their purest form so we need need a mix of the two. I say 95% capitalism with socialism providing a safety net for the poorest of the poor. A "true" free market would leave people dying in their homes and on the street. That is not in my heart and nor politically feasible in any sense. A true free market would mean no taxes. I dont subscribe to that. I would be happy for 10% of my salary and profits being taxed to pay for minimal social security and to help out the lowest 10%. All others should be given the bear minimum help to help themselves. There's is no greater motivator than hunger or (prospect of) lack of shelter

:lol::lol::lol:

Your OP contradicts this post entirely.

Quoted so you can't go back and delete it and pretend you didn't say it either!

Poeple: "but my granddad fought the war, my nan paid taxes for 60 years, we deserve our council house and benefits!"

Me: I don't care.

What is, is, how we are is how we are, whoever is here is here. Simples. So where do we go from here?

For me, these vast load of potential immigrants, foreign born employees is like Christmas.

My company has it's back against the wall. I couldn't give a poo about people's sense of self worth, entitlement or other over inflated view of themselves, I am a lieutenant in my company fighting a battle against the United States, China and India and to a lesser extent the rest of Europe. I want the very best of the very best working for me and my organisation as it will make or break us. I want child tax credit, working family tax credit abolished, I want unemployment benefits restricted to 3 month maximum every five years of work, housing benefit capped at 80% of the local market rate. I see homelessness as collateral damage for the free market. I am a absolute believer in the free market and personal responsibility. If you lose your job and and fail to find work in 3 months, I would rather see you on the streets with a begging bowl that in receipt of any further State help. not for any other reason than that 95% of people in that situation would adapt and find alternative work within that time however low down the rung and then work themselves up by bettering themselves. I want low taxes and low spending. I want a system where bankers millions must be spent within the country rather than stored in the Cayman Islands

I am sick and tired of Brits with an over inflated sense of self worth and ego refusing to work, demanding more than their market value. I am happy to see the UK with the super rich on one side and people living hand to mouth on the other other. That is the reality of life however much we choose to deny it. I still belive in a State safety net where someone may receive £100/wk max for a bedsit and be given £20 of Tesco and Sainsburys food vouchers and a little more for each dependant. Smaller carrot bigger stick.

I also support the State opening subsidised factories so the UK manufactures once again and exports to the world and compete with China and India.

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If your company can not innovate then it will be consigned to the history books.

Is a bright idea restricted to people who are educated?

I'd say no, and heres why my younger brother, is dyslexic and has a few GCSE's below C grade.

He's now got an effective monopoly in the UK with the Govt's backing!

IS that the swimming pool guy? So many HPCers too little memory space to remember things..

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Methinks someone has recently visited Tesco or similar and stocked up on strong lager and is busy stoking the inner angst.

Additionally, me is convinced HPC has enjoyed another brainless tosser as a newby member.

What an utter load of total crap.

:lol:

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  • 312 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


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