The Masked Tulip Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/16/swiss-whistleblower-rudolf-elmer-banks?INTCMP=SRCH The offshore bank account details of 2,000 "high net worth individuals" and corporations – detailing massive potential tax evasion – will be handed over to the WikiLeaks organisation in London tomorrow by the most important and boldest whistleblower in Swiss banking history, Rudolf Elmer, two days before he goes on trial in his native Switzerland.British and American individuals and companies are among the offshore clients whose details will be contained on CDs presented to WikiLeaks at the Frontline Club in London. Those involved include, Elmer tells the Observer, "approximately 40 politicians". Elmer says he is releasing the information "in order to educate society". The list includes "high net worth individuals", multinational conglomerates and financial institutions – hedge funds". They are said to be "using secrecy as a screen to hide behind in order to avoid paying tax". They come from the US, Britain, Germany, Austria and Asia – "from all over".Clients include "business people, politicians, people who have made their living in the arts and multinational conglomerates – from both sides of the Atlantic". Elmer says: "Well-known pillars of society will hold investment portfolios and may include houses, trading companies, artwork, yachts, jewellery, horses, and so on." "Once you become part of senior management," he says, "and gain international experience, as I did, then you are part of the inner circle – and things become much clearer. You are part of the plot. You know what the real products and service are, and why they are so expensive. It should be no surprise that the main product is secrecy … Crimes are committed and lies spread in order to protect this secrecy." http://www.zerohedge.com/article/julius-baer-whistleblower-expose-2000-high-net-worth-tax-evaders-world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken_ichikawa Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Shall we run a dead poll? Dead by XX date Or Dead from whatever cause Or defamed on some BS charge of something horrendous like kiddie fiddling which turns out to be bogus yet no retractions are ever offered like the MSM love to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicestersq Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 This leaks sounds good. Best of all it will expose Switzerland for what it is. A criminal country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Quick - amnesty for all those who declare theirs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 What I do find disturbing is that Wikileaks apparently is going to hold on to this information and not publish it. You have to ask the question why? If Wikileaks truly believes in free speech and championing the ordinary people of the planet then you have to question their policy of holding on to such information. You could argue that they become part of the problem by doing this? You could quite justly question whether they want some power or kudos from being able to dangle a sword of damacles over the rich and powerful. If they are with-holding the info whilst this man is on trial then, again, why? If he ends up getting a long jail sentence then publishing the info after the sentence will not help him one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) http://www.guardian....nks?INTCMP=SRCH http://www.zerohedge...x-evaders-world 40 Politicians - this is going to get interesting! Like I pointed out a while ago "Crocs of Gold" = Caimans (tax evasion = piratical) Read me sig. - only takes a few brave souls. Edited January 16, 2011 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 This leaks sounds good. Best of all it will expose Switzerland for what it is. A criminal country. Besides being the secret depository of the looted gold/wealth/art from across Europe by the nasties the so-called "neutral" Swiss had armament factories working flat out flogging guns/shells/ammo/bombs to Axis And Allies (triple 'AAA') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicestersq Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 What I do find disturbing is that Wikileaks apparently is going to hold on to this information and not publish it. You have to ask the question why? If Wikileaks truly believes in free speech and championing the ordinary people of the planet then you have to question their policy of holding on to such information. You could argue that they become part of the problem by doing this? You could quite justly question whether they want some power or kudos from being able to dangle a sword of damacles over the rich and powerful. If they are with-holding the info whilst this man is on trial then, again, why? If he ends up getting a long jail sentence then publishing the info after the sentence will not help him one bit. It would help him. It would make it clear to everyone that his imprisonment was political, ordered by the crooks that want to keep stealing the wealth of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 It would help him. It would make it clear to everyone that his imprisonment was political, ordered by the crooks that want to keep stealing the wealth of others. Yes, I realise that but it won't help him when he has possibly something stupid like 15 years in gaol. Much better to publish the info now in advance of the case, cause a global Public outrage perhaps enough to stop the trial or have it thrown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyOne Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It will be a damp squib if most of the accounts are compliant with tax law. It will be dynamite if most of the accounts defy tax law. I am not a tax expert but reading between the lines, this has a better chance of being a damp squib than dynamite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 the so-called "neutral" Swiss had armament factories working flat out flogging guns/shells/ammo/bombs to Axis And Allies (triple 'AAA') To be fair, so did the americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realistbear Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) To be fair, so did the americans. Rumours are that the US built most of Germany's Luftwaffe and tanks before the war broke out. Built most of the Japanese fleet that bombed Pearl Harbour. Recent finds have confirmed this with UXBs dug up in Lndon with "made in USA on them." In fact, there is loads of evidence that the US were a major arms supplier to Japan and Germany during the war. But serioulsy folks, take my Mother-in-law............please!!!!! Edited January 16, 2011 by Realistbear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gf3 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 But Wikileaks have to verify this information before they can release it. There are people out there that would like to put Assange in gaol for a long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpw Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Not sure I agree. From what i can tell WL are careful to stay within the law and to avoid putting people or assets at undue risk. The delays are because they are 'redacting' the information, to avoid putting themselves on the wrong side of the Law. The legal process is slow at the best of time so this will take time. Seeing announcemets like this should make people realise that WikiLeaks are effectively doing what the likes of SEC, FSA etc should be doing and are not. I certainly hope this leads to a revolution in the way politics and finance behave...... but am not holding my breath. Lets hope they dont take Assange to Guantanamo bay as feared. He will be tortured to reveal sources of information. Orwell said something like beware when truth becomes treason..... we have reached that point and the only way of stopping further injustice is for the public en masse to get involved. I certainly admire the Tunisians who at least have guts. Seems like Britains students are the only ones with common man sense. What I do find disturbing is that Wikileaks apparently is going to hold on to this information and not publish it. You have to ask the question why? If Wikileaks truly believes in free speech and championing the ordinary people of the planet then you have to question their policy of holding on to such information. You could argue that they become part of the problem by doing this? You could quite justly question whether they want some power or kudos from being able to dangle a sword of damacles over the rich and powerful. If they are with-holding the info whilst this man is on trial then, again, why? If he ends up getting a long jail sentence then publishing the info after the sentence will not help him one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Gloom Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Excellent, about time these leeches were called out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crash2006 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 iam still waiting for the reports on the 3 banks that were supposed to be publish after new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) Recent finds have confirmed this with UXBs dug up in Lndon with "made in USA on them." In fact, there is loads of evidence that the US were a major arms supplier to Japan and Germany during the war. Doesn't surprise me. The yanks have never liked the Brits. We were the first country they declared war on. Edited January 16, 2011 by Alan B'Stard MP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 (edited) Doesn't surprise me. The yanks have never liked the Brits. We were the first country they declared war on. Weren't they Brits as well back then? I thought they just declared war on each other.. Edited January 16, 2011 by libspero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Will Tony B Liar's name be on the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan B'Stard MP Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Weren't they Brits as well back then? I thought they just declared war on each other.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indirectapproach Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 "In fact, there is loads of evidence that the US were a major arms supplier to Japan and Germany during the war." Not very pleasant of them. However, do remember that during one Boer War or another, the Brits sold the Boer maxim guns. On the basis that if we didn't, someone else would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 iam still waiting for the reports on the 3 banks that were supposed to be publish after new year. So far we've heard nothing on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Rumours are that the US built most of Germany's Luftwaffe and tanks before the war broke out. Built most of the Japanese fleet that bombed Pearl Harbour. Recent finds have confirmed this with UXBs dug up in Lndon with "made in USA on them." In fact, there is loads of evidence that the US were a major arms supplier to Japan and Germany during the war. But serioulsy folks, take my Mother-in-law............please!!!!! After WWI The Germans were restricted in what miltary technology they were permitted to develop, so much of the Luftwaffe was developed in secret. When Messerschmitt developed the Bf 109, the intended Junkers engine was not ready. So the prototype flew with... a Rolls Royce Kestrel engine. I wonder how much RR were involved in the development . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 To be fair, so did the americans. And still do, along with the British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expatowner Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Shall we run a dead poll? Dead by XX date Or Dead from whatever cause Or defamed on some BS charge of something horrendous like kiddie fiddling which turns out to be bogus yet no retractions are ever offered like the MSM love to do. Yes they better publish them quick as this might prolong their life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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