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Me again.

I think the boomers will go down in history as the single most affluent and spoilt generation that ever lived. They gave is a misplaced womens lib (slavery), The City, no social security to too much social security to what will become practically no social security, massive national debt based on property speculation bailouts and just to stamp out the final sign of life out of the future generation, globalisation.

Never again will any generation be able to enjoy the simple pleasures and satisfaction of our grandparents and before.

Agreed. And the tragedy is, their own children are getting the bill for their largesse, the final salary pensions, the free education, the NHS, all the wars we have needlessly fought, etc etc etc.

The boomer generation in the UK particularly lived the life of riley and saddled the next generation, their own children and grandchildren with the bill. Try explaining that to them and they get very defensive and explain how hard they worked for the local council for 40 years.

It's pretty scary when you think about it.

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Im not sure why people thought women were being liberated when in fact theyre just being enslaved like men have always been. Whereas a single income (man or woman) could have paid the mortgage and supported a partner and kids now a dual income barely does anything but keep a roof over your head. No wonder first time buyers are 37 and women have hit the menopause before they are able to afford kids.

I think you are so right E10....

It is VERY, VERY sad. There are so many single people out there in their 40's and 50's - sad & lonely - and in some cases very embittered, for all sorts of reasons - & also lots of very unhappy married people..... but the nub of it is that they are in serious debt or over-loaded with outgoings - it all WEARS PEOPLE DOWN .... :angry:

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Very unfair statement

The problem is, this lifestyle has been made virtually impossible for the vast majority of people.

How can one live debt free when all 'money' is a debt to someone else. Everyone in the debt based money system is competing against eachother to get out of debt but seeing as virtually all money in existance is created as debt, the vast majority of the people will lose. Debt based money is a 'survival of the $hittiest' system. The people who thrive most in the competition are those with a natural inclination to cheat, steal and fekk over everyone else, particularly the bankers, corporations and the gubbermint.

Unfair? No. Unpleasant? yes.

"Lifestyle" is a con and mirage to lead men and women into slavery.

You can either live below your means and be satisfied or be one of those 'because im worth it' people who will use legal robbery to keep their delusions of grandeur alive.

The system we have facilitates greed and fecklessness as in the short term the greedy and feckless are happy making their millions and the Jeremy Kyle watchers are being fed, clothed and sheltered. It win win for all the important parties.

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Can I hypothisise that your intelligent friend wined and dined on Alpha Males from 18 - 25 but now age is catching up, and of course the issue of eggs drying up, the man of her dreams will in fact be the Beta Guy that she often told to p*ss off at high school?

You say feminism had it's hayday, yet you have fallen for the feminist trap i.e. we can do what we like, sleep with who we like, realise that time is cracking on, shack up with a Beta male who will wine and dine and then...well...what then? Facebook? Texting?..

If you want to know "what then" then please take a visit over to the marriage forums at:

http://www.secretsocietyofwomen.com/

The stuff there will make your nose bleed...yet deep down...we know what is really happening yet most men ignore the warning signals until it is too late i.e. 60% of salary paying for a house they don't live in and for kids they cannot see!

I am not having a go at you...but seriously dude, your outlook is extremely blinkered and besides women do not like being spoiled...they like Alpha bad a$$ males who treat them like dirt. You know it, I know it and the whole freakin world knows it...yet all too often men are falling in the same trap and the law is not on their side!

The vast majority of men that I know who live in overpriced sh*tholes were lead into buying by the wife or the missus...some are now divorced and very bitter individuals with a mountain of debt ahead of them! One of them has found out that his missus has moved another man into the former family home...but he still has to pay half the mortgage?

Don't fall for the "it won't happen to me" it's happening a lot and it is the reason why society is collapsing!

Please do not get me wrong, I do not hate women, however, the law favours them! And because of that fact the man will always lose when it goes balls up!

Same old game

Divide and conquer.

Anything that destroys families and causes strife and misery plays into the hands of the statists. They fekkn HATE us, all of us.

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The system we have facilitates greed and fecklessness as in the short term the greedy and feckless are happy making their millions and the Jeremy Kyle watchers are being fed, clothed and sheltered. It win win for all the important parties.

I asume you don't live in a house

That would be too feckless for you

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I think you are so right E10....

It is VERY, VERY sad. There are so many single people out there in their 40's and 50's - sad & lonely - and in some cases very embittered, for all sorts of reasons - & also lots of very unhappy married people..... but the nub of it is that they are in serious debt or over-loaded with outgoings - it all WEARS PEOPLE DOWN .... :angry:

My sister in law was one of those modern women who did not have kids and get maried in her twenties. Her thirties flew by. By the time she got to 39 she began panicking and feeling like she had been sold a crock-of-sh*t in terms of her career and "independant" lifestyle. She suddenly realised that all of the men her age were either married (in which case they were unavailable), divorced (in which case they came with "baggage" and/or did not want any more kids) or they were in their late 30s/early 40s and were never married (in which case they had grown selfish/were a bit wierd).

She eventually met someone halfway decent when she was 42. They married when she was 43. They tried for a year and a half for a kid. She finally fell pregnant last year. She lost the baby 3 months into pregnancy due to misscarriage. Her age was cited as being the probable cause.

At the time, she told everyone that it was just "one of those things" and that "life went on".

She had a complete nervous breakdown 3 weeks after the misscarriage and had to spend time in a mental hospital for 4 months while she recovered. She'd never been ill in any way before.

It breaks my heart when I see her now. She has "recovered", but something in her eyes tells me a part of her died with that baby.

We were all sold a crock of shit.

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More than just owning a place--it a sense of lack of communihyt when you have to move due to job.

maybe you have the wrong job then.

Have you considered that in ages past people lost communities to war, famine and disease and had to move?

Have you considered that in ages past technological change did happen, like urbanisation, industrial revolution etc etc that destroyed one community and built another.

Are you not in fact, posting here, part of a new community that has risen from the ashes of the old?

Change: it happens.

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i find it surprising how many people on the thread are finding inovative ways to blame the victims

High costs reduce liberty, make effort meaningless and cause depression by trapping people

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Victims? What victims? Those who are a victim of their own delusion? If you are stupid or feckless you deserves all that life throws at you. I am all about personal responsibility but we live in a society that has is a far cry from true free market and has all the downsides but few of the upsides of socialism.

Supply, demand and greed are the waves are the dynamics at play. Why am I paying for for VAT and fuel when I have done nothing wrong. Yes, the party is over but why am I told we're in it together when I've had to make so many person sacrifices over the last 10 years living within my means and having little of the the scraps of the boom thrown my way?

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Can I ask just what you meant by that? Because to be quite honest, I feel sorry for the "halfway decent" guy.

What I meant was in relation to the previous part of the post which you have snipped from the quote.

Also, what the f*ck do you mean by you "feel sorry for the guy"? You don't know my sister in law or him.

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Hi!

Victims? What victims? Those who are a victim of their own delusion? If you are stupid or feckless you deserves all that life throws at you. I am all about personal responsibility but we live in a society that has is a far cry from true free market and has all the downsides but few of the upsides of socialism.

Supply, demand and greed are the waves are the dynamics at play. Why am I paying for for VAT and fuel when I have done nothing wrong. Yes, the party is over but why am I told we're in it together when I've had to make so many person sacrifices over the last 10 years living within my means and having little of the the scraps of the boom thrown my way?

Let me try to reframe what i'm saying

We have serious systemic cost problems in the uk and costs make people poorer. As long as many continue to try to pretend that the problem is simply other people spending too much (or some other glib idiocy), then they are also stuck with sharing the costs - because nothing will be done about the problem

I'm afraid unless you and millions like you gett off your mental ass and drill down into the causes, you are also going to be saddled

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Are YOU looking for happiness?

************

Happiness is not a thing or a place or even a person.

You can spend a fortune trying to buy the right "thing". Whether it be Jimmy Choos or a 4 bedroom detached house in the country. You will not find it there!

You can travel the world, but you will not find it. Only fatigue and boredom!

You can have 5000 "friends" on your Facebook, and try to impress or serve them all at once by telling them you are "now buying broccoli". That will not bring you happiness.

The secret, is to bring happiness to the world from within YOU!

You can't lose! And I like the sound of that.

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Stay Happy

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Let me try to reframe what i'm saying

We have serious systemic cost problems in the uk and costs. As long as many continue to try to pretend that the problem is simply other people spending too much (or some other glib idiocy), then they are also stuck with sharing the costs - because nothing will be done about the problem

I'm afraid unless you and millions like you gett off your mental ass and drill down into the causes, you are also going to be saddled

The same forces that present the costs to others give them to you as well

EXACTLY!

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We were all sold a crock of shit.

Bang on

Have met women from the top of the career pile( national newspaper editor ) to the bottom , and many have said they have been coned.

One a solicitor with two kids who would love to be at home but cannot afford it said

" those women who burnt their brass in the 60's have done us no favours "

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I am not having a go at you...but seriously dude, your outlook is extremely blinkered and besides women do not like being spoiled...they like Alpha bad a$$ males who treat them like dirt. You know it, I know it and the whole freakin world knows it...yet all too often men are falling in the same trap and the law is not on their side!

The vast majority of men that I know who live in overpriced sh*tholes were lead into buying by the wife or the missus...some are now divorced and very bitter individuals with a mountain of debt ahead of them! One of them has found out that his missus has moved another man into the former family home...but he still has to pay half the mortgage?

Don't fall for the "it won't happen to me" it's happening a lot and it is the reason why society is collapsing!

Please do not get me wrong, I do not hate women, however, the law favours them! And because of that fact the man will always lose when it goes balls up!

Women like to be spoilt, or on the contrary, women like alpha males - could there be any more stereotypes and cliches? Everyone's different, we are all people and I have certainly nothing at all in common with a woman who wants a macho guy who treats her badly - and neither have millions of other women. And the "spoiling" aspect appears to me as a remainder of a long gone time in which women had not the right to vote, but the gentlemen opened the doors for them as if that would make up for the inequality of women at that time.

I know it's a bit of a men's club here on the forum, but it's time we arrive in the 21st century and dispose of cliches like that. Who says women and men are that different at all? What is nature, what is nurture? That could be discussed endlessly. One thing is a fact, we are all people in the first place and so we individually vary hugely. Some women might like bad guys, some nice guys, but please don't make such generalisations. The women I know, myself included, look for or have found a partner, who is both a friend and lover, not someone who treats them badly, nor someone who puts them on a pedestal. That they are on equal terms with their partners goes without saying.

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Can I hypothisise that your intelligent friend wined and dined on Alpha Males from 18 - 25 but now age is catching up, and of course the issue of eggs drying up, the man of her dreams will in fact be the Beta Guy that she often told to p*ss off at high school?

You say feminism had it's hayday, yet you have fallen for the feminist trap i.e. we can do what we like, sleep with who we like, realise that time is cracking on, shack up with a Beta male who will wine and dine and then...well...what then? Facebook? Texting?..

If you want to know "what then" then please take a visit over to the marriage forums at:

http://www.secretsocietyofwomen.com/

The stuff there will make your nose bleed...yet deep down...we know what is really happening yet most men ignore the warning signals until it is too late i.e. 60% of salary paying for a house they don't live in and for kids they cannot see!

I am not having a go at you...but seriously dude, your outlook is extremely blinkered and besides women do not like being spoiled...they like Alpha bad a$$ males who treat them like dirt. You know it, I know it and the whole freakin world knows it...yet all too often men are falling in the same trap and the law is not on their side!

The vast majority of men that I know who live in overpriced sh*tholes were lead into buying by the wife or the missus...some are now divorced and very bitter individuals with a mountain of debt ahead of them! One of them has found out that his missus has moved another man into the former family home...but he still has to pay half the mortgage?

Don't fall for the "it won't happen to me" it's happening a lot and it is the reason why society is collapsing!

Please do not get me wrong, I do not hate women, however, the law favours them! And because of that fact the man will always lose when it goes balls up!

I think you do hate women.

I think you need to take a look at yourself mister

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Women like to be spoilt, or on the contrary, women like alpha males - could there be any more stereotypes and cliches? Everyone's different, we are all people and I have certainly nothing at all in common with a woman who wants a macho guy who treats her badly - and neither have millions of other women. And the "spoiling" aspect appears to me as a remainder of a long gone time in which women had not the right to vote, but the gentlemen opened the doors for them as if that would make up for the inequality of women at that time.

I know it's a bit of a men's club here on the forum, but it's time we arrive in the 21st century and dispose of cliches like that. Who says women and men are that different at all? What is nature, what is nurture? That could be discussed endlessly. One thing is a fact, we are all people in the first place and so we individually vary hugely. Some women might like bad guys, some nice guys, but please don't make such generalisations. The women I know, myself included, look for or have found a partner, who is both a friend and lover, not someone who treats them badly, nor someone who puts them on a pedestal. That they are on equal terms with their partners goes without saying.

Actually there have been loads of tests done to try and decide whether it is nature or nurture and, whilst the feminists might loathe it, Nature appears to be the deciding factor.

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Women like to be spoilt, or on the contrary, women like alpha males - could there be any more stereotypes and cliches? Everyone's different, we are all people and I have certainly nothing at all in common with a woman who wants a macho guy who treats her badly - and neither have millions of other women. And the "spoiling" aspect appears to me as a remainder of a long gone time in which women had not the right to vote, but the gentlemen opened the doors for them as if that would make up for the inequality of women at that time.

I know it's a bit of a men's club here on the forum, but it's time we arrive in the 21st century and dispose of cliches like that. Who says women and men are that different at all? What is nature, what is nurture? That could be discussed endlessly. One thing is a fact, we are all people in the first place and so we individually vary hugely. Some women might like bad guys, some nice guys, but please don't make such generalisations. The women I know, myself included, look for or have found a partner, who is both a friend and lover, not someone who treats them badly, nor someone who puts them on a pedestal. That they are on equal terms with their partners goes without saying.

Exactly.

There are a more than a few sad, bitter little men on here. Though, I hasten to add, there are plenty who are not

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My sister in law was one of those modern women who did not have kids and get maried in her twenties. Her thirties flew by. By the time she got to 39 she began panicking and feeling like she had been sold a crock-of-sh*t in terms of her career and "independant" lifestyle. She suddenly realised that all of the men her age were either married (in which case they were unavailable), divorced (in which case they came with "baggage" and/or did not want any more kids) or they were in their late 30s/early 40s and were never married (in which case they had grown selfish/were a bit wierd).

She eventually met someone halfway decent when she was 42. They married when she was 43. They tried for a year and a half for a kid. She finally fell pregnant last year. She lost the baby 3 months into pregnancy due to misscarriage. Her age was cited as being the probable cause.

At the time, she told everyone that it was just "one of those things" and that "life went on".

She had a complete nervous breakdown 3 weeks after the misscarriage and had to spend time in a mental hospital for 4 months while she recovered. She'd never been ill in any way before.

It breaks my heart when I see her now. She has "recovered", but something in her eyes tells me a part of her died with that baby.

We were all sold a crock of shit.

Thanks for posting that, desperately sad as it is to read. I think most all of us must have met, or know people who've fallen into this hole.

It's no way to run a society.

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What I meant was in relation to the previous part of the post which you have snipped from the quote.

Also, what the f*ck do you mean by you "feel sorry for the guy"? You don't know my sister in law or him.

I meant exactly what I wrote I FEEL SORRY FOR THE GUY. Yeah? Just how would you react if you were referred to as "halfway decent"? Who else in your family refers to him in such a derogatory manner? And no I don't know him but you told us all enough about him, for example, he is "halfway decent". So we can all assume from that assesment that he is also "halfway bad" too? So yeah, it reads like you look down on him so for that I do feel sorry for him! And what stands out the most is the fact that you do not mention his suffering in your post...nothing...zilcho? It's all about your sister or sister in law...of course he must be having a blast through all of this pain and suffering that he has inflicted on someone else?

As for your sister (or sister in law as you wrote previously) well I'm sorry to be so up front but do you not think she may have been a tad bit too old to have kids? Missing the boat for buying a house is ****** as we all know but missing the boat for having kids is a stark reality! You cannot beat nature...and IVF ain't exactly the be all and end all! It's really nothing personal but that is just the way it is!

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