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How can the general public not see what's coming? 

For heaven's sake, switch off the bl00dy TV and think!

I wonder about this lack of awareness too. If you are not emotionally prepared to consider that your world is about to slide into hard times then any evidence to that effect - however obvious - will pass you by. I expect we have all experienced such cases, we looked back in wonder at how we could have been so stupid.

Another problem is that at any given moment there are always doomsayers trying to call attention to this or that. In the 1970s we were threatened with an ice age and then in the 1980s we got the Greenhouse Effect - from the same people!

This time the propects are unfavourable on a clear technical basis - but most people don't have a technical education and can't put various threads of data together to produce the resultant story. Property bubble + Peak Oil + US deficit = serious hard news for the world in my book. That's not the message coming out of authority, so few people get it.

However, given the marvellous access to information on the Internet, I think the sheeple have very few excuses. It's all there for those who look, just a few googles away.

How would we ever have got a grip on the current situation without the Internet? I for one don't think I could have done it.

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ses. It's all there for those who look, just a few googles away.

How would we ever have got a grip on the current situation without the Internet? I for one don't think I could have done it.

me neither., sadly peoples browsing habits for information - not porn though - are as limited as their viewing and reading habits.

i read somehere that the big news websites (fox, yahoo news, msnbc , aol , time etc etc )

dominate peoples browsing habits as much as their viewing habits,

you have to work at finding good info on the web (such as this website ) because there is so much corporate gudd being pumped out which simply drowns out the message of non-conformist sites like this.

on a good day 200 people are reading this site.

20,000 might be looking at yahoo news :-(

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Surely, this is not a good time to be messing aorund with a major oil producer?

Peter.

Well said Peter, this really is not the right time in view of crude / derivatives prices. But I don't think the Western governments believe they have much choice but to intervene now.

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Well said Peter, this really is not the right time in view of crude / derivatives prices. But I don't think the Western governments believe they have much choice but to intervene now.

Is there a real problem with Iran? or is something else going on, though? After Iraq, I am rather suspicious of all this WMD stuff, and I can't tell whether there is something to worry about (and therefore intervene now), or whether there is a hidden agenda (though I'm not sure what that is),

Peter.

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Is there a real problem with Iran?

Ask Ariel Sharon . he told the yanks to attack Iran about 3 years ago and he has been at them ever since,

the Gold Schmucks of New York and London are very instrumental in all this.,

re the wisdom of it.

they attacked Iraq and they are stil getting their oil plus Shell, BP, Texaco etc are boasting record profits which is keeping the stock market on the up and up.

they cannot really lose by invading Iran.

only the Iranian people and a few thousand squaddies will really lose/

myself and dom have been saying war with Iran was a dead cert for at least a year.

same as it ever was , same as it ever was

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But I don't think the Western governments believe they have much choice but to intervene now.

you are confusing cause and effect just as they want you to.

the fact is they want to invade Iran and are looking for an excuse.

This is the excuse the are using.

Iran has known they wanted to invade since Ariel Sharon made it semi-official US policy about 3 (maybe 4 ) years ago.

you should get out more as far as web sites are concerned.

try antiwar.com and counterpunch.org

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I would not like to see the U.S. get deeper in the mire in the middle east and much less for the U.K. to follow again.

But can't the Iranian government see that they are in a very dodgy situation, and seem to be saying "Please invade us, destroy our infrastructure and nick all of our oil "

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only thing is he didnt even say that he was going to use oil as a weapon.

the bottom line is if someone decides to attack you they will find whatever justification is necessary for that attack.

Sharon and Bush have decided on this a long time ago.

It is unfinished business going back to the Carter and Reagan administrations.

sorry folks but the only chance it can be averted is if China intervenes and I doubt if it will/.

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only thing is he didnt even say that he was going to use oil as a weapon.

the bottom line is if someone decides to attack you they will find whatever justification is necessary for that attack.

Sharon and Bush have decided on this a long time ago.

It is unfinished business going back to the Carter and Reagan administrations.

sorry folks but the only chance it can be averted is if China intervenes and I doubt if it will/.

Even if oil supply is tight, and could become tighter if hurrican Rita does anything (though this is conflating oil and refined products, I know)? It just seems that this might be the worst time to do something like that,

Peter.

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But can't the Iranian government see that they are in a very dodgy situation, and seem to be saying "Please invade us, destroy our infrastructure and nick all of our oil "

are they ? please give quotes or try reading what they are really saying.

they are saying nothing of the sort.

they are being pushed into a corner because the US want to invade to grab the oil and gas.

the sad thing is you represent a much better informed observer than the man in the street who does not know shiit from shinola and yet you still believe their propaganda and regurgitate it here.

so we have no chance of convincing the masses this war is wrong if a well inforemed person like you believes the nonsense they are fed.

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I can't imgaine shia-populated southern iraq will be a nice place to be a western soldier if iran is invaded.

There's nothing like having the population turn on you when you mess with their brothers over the border. Heavily outnumbered, I'd imagine US/UK casualties in iraq could reach 100 a day quite easily.

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Even if oil supply is tight, and could become tighter if hurrican Rita does anything (though this is conflating oil and refined products, I know)? It just seems that this might be the worst time to do something like that,

Peter.

peter it wont happen for another few years. perhaps 2007 when the effects of the housing slow down are being felt and the stock market needs another shot in the arm for all the Gold Schmucks in London and New York.

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are they ? please give quotes or try reading what they are really saying.

they are saying nothing of the sort.

they are being pushed into a corner because the US want to invade to grab the oil and gas.

the sad thing is you represent a much better informed observer than the man in the street who does not know shiit from shinola and yet you still believe their propaganda and regurgitate it here.

so we have no chance of convincing the masses this war is wrong if a well inforemed person like you believes the nonsense they are fed.

Ok I admit I have not read the speeches in detail, you just hear the headlines "Defiant speech" etc.

As i said i would hate to see the U.S. invade, it would obviously be for one reason only i'm not stupid enough to believe Iran are a real threat to anybody accept maybe their immediate niebours.

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Ok I admit I have not read the speeches in detail, you just hear the headlines "Defiant speech" etc.

As i said i would hate to see the U.S. invade, it would obviously be for one reason only i'm not stupid enough to believe Iran are a real threat to anybody accept maybe their immediate niebours.

thats the thing no matter what he says he will be portrayed as defiant, belligerent , aggressive etc etc

you know the phoney balony hooey they invent. they are masters of it.

he will always be made to look like the aggressor even when they are bombing the holy bejasus out of his country,

at least when you sit down in front of your telly in a few years watching it all unfold you can think of all those crazy anacrhists on hpc who told you it was going to happen and why and you can simply laugh ( weep ? ) at the drivel being uttered by the apparatchiks on BBC, SKY , FOX etc etc

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I would not like to see the U.S. get deeper in the mire in the middle east and much less for the U.K. to follow again.

But can't the Iranian government see that they are in a very dodgy situation, and seem to be saying "Please invade us, destroy our infrastructure and nick all of our oil "

I think the dodgy situation may well have been engineered.....the two main causes for war are control of resources and an age-old religeous crusade that has been going on since medieval times....ever heard of the knights templar?

the really nasty bit will come as the arab countries will probably band together(I think because iraq was bad enough but it's probably getting on their tits a bit too much...so expect havoc when saudi/iraqi/syrian/yemeni/pakistani militants all join in.

the guys in power don't really give a monkeys,they will probably get safe passage to the states anyway and stash all their money in gold and swiss bank accounts....leaving the cannon-fodder to cop-it!

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Have I got this right???

Transactions of oil are done in dollars, therefor anyone wishing to buy oil has to pay for them in dollars.

Most counteries/banks like the BOE for example keep a reserve of foreign currency. If there's a run on the £ the BOE can use this reserve to shore it up. The reserve currency of choice is the dollar simply because most trade transactions are done in dollars anyway.

As the sole supplier of dollars the Americans reap huge benefits, everyone wants to buy dollars which only America can print. They print the money, the world buys it and America uses our money to buy goods and services (and run a huge trade defecit).

Any challenge to the dollar if successful would see banks selling their dollar reserves, the value of the dollar would collapse and america would suffer from hyper inflation?

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