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Mark Steel: We Owe It To Bankers To Feel Their Pain


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HOLA441

Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks Buik's a t0sser. Can't stand him on LBC every morning doing the business segment. Worse than business news on BBC (if that's possible). So smug and such an ardent capitalist busy talking up the city.

I dont think anyone would mind the bonuses, if in order to have a job at all, these guys hadnt had a bailout.

simple and obvious.

the bonus should be they still have a job.

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It would only ever be a small party and might not ever get more than one seat in a by election.

Best to discredit the whole election process. Say less than 50% turn out at the General Election. Legally a government could be formed but would lack a mandate. Parties then needing to genuinely change and listen, in order to re engage the electorate, rather than the "fake" change foisted on us lately.

2010: 65% of electorate turned out. I think out of voters, the Conservatives got about 22%; out of the population, under 20%.

Only a 3-way coalition of Conservative, LibDem and Labour could possibly claim to have a majority of voters.

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We need a none of the above on the ballot paper.

You can't have it because 'None of the Above' is a banned from being used in elections

Registration of Political Parties (Prohibited Words and Expressions) (Amendment) Order 2005

Part V - Prohibited Expressions

None of the Above

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/147/article/2/made

You couldn't make it up could ya? Fekkn incredible

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I very much doubt that. Despite all the guns and "yeeh haw" attitude Americans are quite passive. There is no background of political revolt or violence (except in the civil war, and perhaps the race riots in the 60's). As has been explained to me, demonstrations are just not in the American vocabulary. Coupled with general confusion over what to do and an almost child like acceptance that capitalists are good and socialists are evil, its a dangerous cocktail of indifference.

But they do seem to have "lone nutjobs" who quite regularly go around shooting people. I think it's only a matter of time before something big happens.

Timothy McVeigh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was a former member of the U.S. Army who became infamous for detonating a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City Bombing, the attack killed 168 people, injured 450, and was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks[3]. McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the Waco Siege, which had ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years earlier. He also hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered to be a tyrannical federal government. He was convicted of 11 federal offenses and sentenced to death. His execution took place on June 11, 2001 at the Federal Correctional Complex, Terre Haute. Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier were also convicted as conspirators in the plot.

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McVeigh wrote letters to local newspapers complaining about taxes:

Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight. [...] Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might.[19]

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Unable to pay back gambling debts, he took a cash advance and then defaulted on his repayments. He then began looking for a state without heavy government regulation or high taxes. He became enraged when the government informed him that he had been overpaid $1,058 while in the army and he would need to pay back the money. He wrote an angry letter to the government inviting them to:

Go ahead, take everything I own; take my dignity. Feel good as you grow fat and rich at my expense; sucking my tax dollars and property.[22]

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McVeigh told Fortier of his plans to blow up a federal building, but Fortier declined to participate. Fortier also told his wife about the plans.[35] McVeigh composed two letters to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the first titled "Constitutional Defenders" and the second "ATF Read." He denounced government agents as "fascist tyrants" and "storm troopers" and warned:

ATF, all you tyrannical people will swing in the wind one day for your treasonous actions against the Constitution of the United States. Remember the Nuremberg War Trials.[2]

Personally I'm not convinced there won't be a major atrocity. Truck bombs are very effective.

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You can't have it because 'None of the Above' is a banned from being used in elections

Registration of Political Parties (Prohibited Words and Expressions) (Amendment) Order 2005

Part V - Prohibited Expressions

None of the Above

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/147/article/2/made

You couldn't make it up could ya? Fekkn incredible

Fantastic news.

I'm surprised no one has ever challenged this in the European Courts. You can imagine the parasites trying to defend it not being included to the bitter end. It would be a PR nightmare.

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Is this just that you can't use this as your party logo? Ie have a political party called none of the above?

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Really? The place is stuffed with IRA supporters. They used to kidnap bankers in the '70s.

Yeah, Kerry is hardcore republican, though in a strange kind of understated way - I remember seeing and a posh English tourist sitting along the bar from a gunrunner in Dingle. If only he knew I kept thinking.

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It would only ever be a small party and might not ever get more than one seat in a by election.

Best to discredit the whole election process. Say less than 50% turn out at the General Election. Legally a government could be formed but would lack a mandate. Parties then needing to genuinely change and listen, in order to re engage the electorate, rather than the "fake" change foisted on us lately.

I think there are more disenfranchised (potential) voters out there than you realise. Probably your best chance would be with younger voters who are less likely to be "either/or", more open to change, and can be reached by newer technological means (facebook, twitter etc.), reducing the exposure/propaganda barrier to entry that minor parties all suffer from.

However, most people can't handle the brutal truth of how much work would be needed and probably wouldn't look past the short-term hurt at the longer-term picture of greater fairness. In fact, your best chance of election would unfortunately probably be mud-slinging :(

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Thank god I'm not the only one who thinks Buik's a t0sser. Can't stand him on LBC every morning doing the business segment. Worse than business news on BBC (if that's possible). So smug and such an ardent capitalist busy talking up the city.

+1

But I'd want to see that hubristic asshole W@nk Potts on the next lamppost....:angry:

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In this paper David Buik, a market analyst with BGC Partners, showed his analytical skills with a detailed economic response to the bonuses: "Life is not fair... Folks, get over it! Let's move on!"

I hate that meaningless cliche more than any.

If some banker twät like Buik said that to me I'd simply punch him in the face then say "but life isn't fair"

Then punch him again, steal his wallet and say "Get over it!"

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I hate that meaningless cliche more than any.

If some banker twät like Buik said that to me I'd simply punch him in the face then say "but life isn't fair"

Then punch him again, steal his wallet and say "Get over it!"

I'm sure Buik is some actor they roll out to spread the party line. Like the Iraqi Information Minister. He seems far too old to be an "analyst."

Most of them look like kids.

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