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Just heard on radio that alleged expenses cheat Eric Illsley has pleaded guilty. It was also said that if he gets less than 12 months in prison, he can still remain as an MP. Someone please tell me that this is not so.

I reckon he'll get suspended......We don't need a second scapegoat.

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Illsley has filtched slightly less than Chaytor, who got 18 months in the pokey, and Illsley has pleaded guilty at the first opportunity which gives a 1/3rd discount on sentence, so he might get 12 months or less. The big difference being that a 12 month sentence can be suspended (ie, no jail time) but an 18 month one can't.

If Illsley does no jail time he might be able to remain an MP. I'll bet he's got all fingers and toes crossed right now... ;)

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You get the impression that a deal has been done don't you?

I think the Public will have difficulty with one MP ending up in gaol but a second not going there also. It would only reinforce the view of the Public that ALL Politicians are corrupt and that they play games with democracy.

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You get the impression that a deal has been done don't you?

I think the Public will have difficulty with one MP ending up in gaol but a second not going there also. It would only reinforce the view of the Public that ALL Politicians are corrupt and that they play games with democracy.

Yes......

And one particular former leader, should be carted off to the Hague and charged (along with Bush), for crimes against Humanity.

(Edit: crap spelling as usual - blame my teachers!)

Edited by Davetolbooth

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"He had previously denied dishonestly claiming more than £25,000 but in court his barrister said Illsley admitted wrongly claiming a revised sum of around £14,500."

Chaytor got a one month sentence for each £1k of his £18k

14 months for Illsley?

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The big difference being that a 12 month sentence can be suspended (ie, no jail time) but an 18 month one can't.

I'd like to see him receive a 367 day sentence.

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it ain't so

It is so. Five Live just said there is no 'mechanism' to boot out MP's who have served a 12 month or less sentence. He has the right to take up his seat in the Commons again if he gets less than 12 months.

A bit like the lack of rules that result that no one can be sacked from the House of Lords, only suspended for a while. Like Baroness Uddin.

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It is so. Five Live just said there is no 'mechanism' to boot out MP's who have served a 12 month or less sentence. He has the right to take up his seat in the Commons again if he gets less than 12 months.

A bit like the lack of rules that result that no one can be sacked from the House of Lords, only suspended for a while. Like Baroness Uddin.

It's actually worse than that. If gets 12 months or less, not only does he get to stay as an MP, but he still gets his full salary while in pokey.

un-be-feckin-lievable

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Illsley has filtched slightly less than Chaytor, who got 18 months in the pokey, and Illsley has pleaded guilty at the first opportunity which gives a 1/3rd discount on sentence, so he might get 12 months or less. The big difference being that a 12 month sentence can be suspended (ie, no jail time) but an 18 month one can't.

Did he try to use Parliamentary privilege to avoid the case going to court at all? The fact that Chaytor did and then pleaded guilty is IMO even worse than if he'd pleaded not guilty: it demonstrates that he knew himself to be guilty all along, misused Parliamentary privilege in an attempt to evade justice and then after that failed pleaded guilty in a cynical attempt to reduce his sentence.

If Illsley does no jail time he might be able to remain an MP. I'll bet he's got all fingers and toes crossed right now... ;)

Surely he'd be kicked out of the Labour Party if he attempted to do that? If they let him keep the whip that would be a propaganda gift for the Tories come the next election, and would mean in effect that all Labour's campaigning on financial issues (Tories the friends of the fat cat bankers etc.) would become to all intents and purposes impossible. The damage to Labour if he didn't step down would surely be significant.

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Surely he'd be kicked out of the Labour Party if he attempted to do that? If they let him keep the whip that would be a propaganda gift for the Tories come the next election, and would mean in effect that all Labour's campaigning on financial issues (Tories the friends of the fat cat bankers etc.) would become to all intents and purposes impossible. The damage to Labour if he didn't step down would surely be significant.

He's already been kicked out the Labour Party.

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I thought he had been kicked out of the Labour party and was now in the Commons as an independent?

If he does get banged up for less than a year he'll be in the odd position of remaining an MP but unable to vote in elections. Surely he'd do the decent thing and resign?

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It's actually worse than that. If gets 12 months or less, not only does he get to stay as an MP, but he still gets his full salary while in pokey.

un-be-feckin-lievable

I'm curled up in a ball, beating my head on the floor...

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Hmm. Then if he's truly that shameless, I suppose he's got nothing to lose by hanging on to his seat.

He may have a problem with that in the prison showers...

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It's actually worse than that. If gets 12 months or less, not only does he get to stay as an MP, but he still gets his full salary while in pokey.

un-be-feckin-lievable

And can presumably continue to claim expenses!

How did he manage to get re-elected?

Does noone in his constituency read a newspaper

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And can presumably continue to claim expenses!

How did he manage to get re-elected?

Does noone in his constituency read a newspaper

No he's a hermit

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And can presumably continue to claim expenses!

How did he manage to get re-elected?

Does noone in his constituency read a newspaper

Of course, and presumably he won't claim the second home allowance on his prison cell.

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