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Jared Loughner, Tucson Massacre Gunman

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Google his name and you'll see his YouTube and myspace musings which appear to be largely about his anger at a debased currency, amongst less coherent topics.

Obviously this sad and inexplicable killing spree was borne of madness but that madness was tinged with topical and pertinent influences.

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Who is this? The chap who allegedly shot the people in Arizona today?

Yes, picture and Youtube video. Reads like a saner version of Bruno.

If the board was working I would link them in but can't be bothered with its current malaise so you'll have to google.

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We'll see how the dust settles on this. The news was making something of an (indirect) Tea Party (Palin) 'target' connection, which smacked of editorial licence. Agendas are what to look out for in this.

TMT's point about disaffected youth is very significant. There has to be a lot of angry young people about. People having different views is fine, when people are favoured or denied in their views then we store up trouble. The PTB cannot keep dumping on people and expect no reaction.

I would imagine the shooter will be quickly discredited/deemed a nutcase (i.e., his views were of no relevance).

And yes the current state of the forum is very annoying!

Edit: typo

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That is not good.

22 years old!?

Feck!!!

Thing is there will be thousands more like him.

Part of the reason is that a lot of the stuff coming out of the mouths of US Patriot movements, Tea Party and from people like Alex Jones is essentially correct - the US currency has been debased, the banks have ripped everyone off etc etc. The problem then being that historically these views were on the margins and so tended to attract those on the margins of society with perhaps a greater propensity to do things outside of social norms.

Whilst I do find Alex Jones highly entertaining and talented at what he does, I don't go for all the orchestrated conspiracy stuff, though I do feel that perhaps the system itself has become a kind of become a conspiracy in its own right - in the sense that it is not currently working to serve the best interests of the people. Most people's reaction to change the system is to try and work through the ballot box, but unfortunately there are some people closer to the margin who feel the pain of the current system, decide it is an orchestrated conspiracy and then decide to take matters into their own hands.

What I never understand is why they go for politicians, they are just the bankers patsies, and really not the root of the problem. I'm sure most people would rather have seen the Goldman Sachs executive team in the place of Gabby Giffords and all the others who were killed or injured.

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His youtube vid :"How To: Your New Currency" gives an interesting insight, perhaps more for th ecomment list than anything else. Goldbugs will recognise it as a rant against fractional reserve banking (amongst other stuff that I'm either too sane to understand or just too stupid). Those who have heard just one rap track will recognize the piece as a composition in that genre. Yet commenters in the main suggest it shows the workings of a retarded mind.

Rather than being cerebrally challenged, I think this guy thought too much..... just not enough about how his actions would affect others. Now six good and innocent people lie dead. What a shame he couldn't take the advice of one of his obvious heros (see his reading list) :

"You’re just a young kid. What are you doin’ here? You oughta be out in a convertible, why… bird-doggin’ chicks and bangin’ beaver. " — Ken Kesey (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)

And yes, I do realise I'm apparently erroneously being more concerned about the workings of this guys mind than the victims.

Just to try and rebalance:

The deceased have been identified as:

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Judge John Roll ,63, Arizona Fed Chief;

Dorthy Murray, 76;

Dorwin Stoddard, 76;

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Christina Greene, 9;

Phyllis Scheck, 79;

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Gabriel Zimmerman, 30, a Gifford Aide

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Thing is there will be thousands more like him.

Part of the reason is that a lot of the stuff coming out of the mouths of US Patriot movements, Tea Party and from people like Alex Jones is essentially correct - the US currency has been debased, the banks have ripped everyone off etc etc. The problem then being that historically these views were on the margins and so tended to attract those on the margins of society with perhaps a greater propensity to do things outside of social norms.

Whilst I do find Alex Jones highly entertaining and talented at what he does, I don't go for all the orchestrated conspiracy stuff, though I do feel that perhaps the system itself has become a kind of become a conspiracy in its own right - in the sense that it is not currently working to serve the best interests of the people. Most people's reaction to change the system is to try and work through the ballot box, but unfortunately there are some people closer to the margin who feel the pain of the current system, decide it is an orchestrated conspiracy and then decide to take matters into their own hands.

What I never understand is why they go for politicians, they are just the bankers patsies, and really not the root of the problem. I'm sure most people would rather have seen the Goldman Sachs executive team in the place of Gabby Giffords and all the others who were killed or injured.

The thing is, the US Right has succeeded in generating rage against 'leftists', 'socialists', 'the washington elite', etc, making out that every problem that the US has is down to the left, and issuing ever more vitriolic condemnations. You see it on this forum, where pretty much every action the government takes, ever, is 'socialism'. The fact that the US Republicans have used this to get elected, and then acted universally in the interests of the rich against everyone else, seems to escape the same people.

Of course, now we have the Tea Party movement which at least in part looks like the monster that the republicans created running out of control. If that sort of thing was happening in a country with a few thousand nuclear missiles it'd be a matter for serious concern.

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  • 276 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
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