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Good work here by the Daily Mash!

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/bill-bragg-has-absolutely-gigantic-house-201101063402/

Its in Burton Bradstock IIRC.

Bill McKay, a man who has not worked in 11 years because of Thatcher, :lol:

It's hardly surprising, Bragg is the original champagne socialist. Quite what his authority was to meddle with the House of Lords I will never understand.

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There was a Kirsty and Phil in Burton Bradstock.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=DT6+9BH&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Bridport,+Dorset+DT6+9BH,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ll=50.702811,-2.727485&spn=0.004308,0.009645&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=50.702899,-2.727507&panoid=uaMwNr1p9bYKvLQfH5_Ttg&cbp=12,53.36,,0,5.8

This one. They wanted to put car parking on the garden for their two cars but on the overhead maps it's still showing as them parking on the junction.

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It's hardly surprising, Bragg is the original champagne socialist. Quite what his authority was to meddle with the House of Lords I will never understand.

Very funny peice, I am sure it would give Billy a mild discomfort, but so what.

Champagn socialist is a ridiculous tag. I don't notice him hobnobbing with celebs or the likes of Mandellson, or falling out of fashionable nightclubs. A better writer than singer imo, but he has made a good living selling something that no-one has to buy.

Here is a real test of the man's integrity. When he organised the NoBonus4RBS campaign he rather rashly claimed that he would

refuse to pay his income tax and risk prison if it was paid. I don't really see why he should go to prison because the populous were too

appathetic to support the campaign, but that's what he said and as far as I know he's still at large.

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Very funny peice, I am sure it would give Billy a mild discomfort, but so what.

Champagn socialist is a ridiculous tag. I don't notice him hobnobbing with celebs or the likes of Mandellson, or falling out of fashionable nightclubs. A better writer than singer imo, but he has made a good living selling something that no-one has to buy.

Here is a real test of the man's integrity. When he organised the NoBonus4RBS campaign he rather rashly claimed that he would

refuse to pay his income tax and risk prison if it was paid. I don't really see why he should go to prison because the populous were too

appathetic to support the campaign, but that's what he said and as far as I know he's still at large.

Ah, it's always amusing to hear socialists trying to justify their wealth. Jeremy Hardy, another gauche-caviar tried to do it by joking that he was expected to go barefoot in sympathy with the poor. Sorry, but I've no time for these people - they preach about solidarity with the working classes (whoever the hell they are nowadays) and multi-culti lefty urbanism, but live in huge houses in all-white parts of the countryside. Maybe 'hypocrite' might be a better tag?

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Ah, it's always amusing to hear socialists trying to justify their wealth. Jeremy Hardy, another gauche-caviar tried to do it by joking that he was expected to go barefoot in sympathy with the poor. Sorry, but I've no time for these people - they preach about solidarity with the working classes (whoever the hell they are nowadays) and multi-culti lefty urbanism, but live in huge houses in all-white parts of the countryside. Maybe 'hypocrite' might be a better tag?

And if they were potless, they would be accused of envy. Socialism is not about charity or monasticism.

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So you agree he's a hypocrite do you?

Not at all. If he doesn't go to prison he's a bit of a gobs**te, but not a hypocrite.

I presume he has made his money by his own effort, not by capturing the neccecities of others.

He claims to be a socialist, not Jesus Christ!

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So you agree he's a hypocrite do you?

Bragg is not a 'man of the people', 'sow-shu-list', or 'political activist'. He is a celebrity who REPRESENTS those things. He needs a house this size to contain his ego. If all it had to contain were his musical talent, it would look more like this My link

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Bragg is not a 'man of the people', 'sow-shu-list', or 'political activist'. He is a celebrity who REPRESENTS those things. He needs a house this size to contain his ego. If all it had to contain were his musical talent, it would look more like this My link

:lol:

I'm not about to defend his musical talent.

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Bragg is not a 'man of the people', 'sow-shu-list', or 'political activist'. He is a celebrity who REPRESENTS those things. He needs a house this size to contain his ego. If all it had to contain were his musical talent, it would look more like this My link

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It's a bit harsh calling him a champagne socialist.

This is what a real champagne socialist looks like:

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Alan "The postman" Johnson enjoying a glass or two of Bolly over a 2 hour lunch with his spin-doctor at the Savoy Grill. If you look really closely you can see the concern about the poor due to the VAT rise on his face.

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It could be argued that Bragg's ownership of a big lavish house is demonstratively socialist act. A man from a working-class background has bought into the lifestyle of the rich, privileged ruling class :lol:

except he did it demonstrably by exploiting his own intellectual capital

there is nothing socialised about this

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explain please?

Socialism is about the form of ownership of a society's essentials, and production to meet it's needs (as opposed to wants).

It does not preclude private enterprise or private wealth, but hijacking of natural monopolies is incompatible.

Socialism is not about welfare, but about enabling people to provide for their needs through work,

something that many millions of "hardworking families" in the UK are unable to do without Working Family Tax Credits.

Hope this helps.

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Socialism is about the form of ownership of a society's essentials, and production to meet it's needs (as opposed to wants).

so the means of production of pop music should be nationalised so the wealth can be shared

It does not preclude private enterprise or private wealth, but hijacking of natural monopolies is incompatible.

billy Bragg has a natural monopoly on musical ability, he should be nationalised (edit - a better argument is re: the natural monopoly of record companies - THEY should be nationalised and the profits should be redistributed, it is only this natural monopoly that let musicians get rich in the first place)

Socialism is not about welfare, but about enabling people to provide for their needs through work,

something that many millions of "hardworking families" in the UK are unable to do without Working Family Tax Credits.

blatant contradiction; if the costs of living had not been inflated by a bloated (socialist) public sector then they wouldn't need flaming tax credits

Hope this helps.

well indeed, it has hardened my opinion

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A bit like how the Vietnam War made Bob Dylan's career?

I'm not sure I am with you

Dylan is such a transparently brilliant musician that I suspect his career would have been 'made' irrespective of the social background, but feel free to argue!

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so the means of production of pop music should be nationalised so the wealth can be shared

billy Bragg has a natural monopoly on musical ability, he should be nationalised (edit - a better argument is re: the natural monopoly of record companies - THEY should be nationalised and the profits should be redistributed, it is only this natural monopoly that let musicians get rich in the first place)

blatant contradiction; if the costs of living had not been inflated by a bloated (socialist) public sector then they wouldn't need flaming tax credits

well indeed, it has hardened my opinion

The essential of socialism is free association of labour. Free association of labour comes from land and natural resources being free to access for all and naturally leads to a free market of sole traders and co-operatives.

As stated, none of this precludes private enterprise or wealth, nor does it automatically equal state ownership or nationalisation.

So, in a mixed economy, there is nothing hypocritical about Billy Bragg doing well from his own work and buying whatever house he wants, any more than it is hypocritical for a right winger to use the NHS or other public services.

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blatant contradiction; if the costs of living had not been inflated by a bloated (socialist) public sector then they wouldn't need flaming tax credits

well indeed, it has hardened my opinion

Your other points are silly, but there is indeed a problem with "welfare".

They break our legs, and we say thank-you when they offer us crutches, so to speak.

IMO it is a legitimate function of Government to control the cost of living and discourage rampant speculation and the rentier economy.

The last lot failed on all counts and spectacularly for working people, but who realy benefitted?

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