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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-31/greek-burdens-multiply-with-illegal-immigrants-finding-back-door-to-europe.html

Greece, battling to keep its economy from ruin, also is struggling with an increase in the number of asylum seekers using the country as a back door to Europe.
About 90 percent of illegal immigrants in the European Union arrived through Greece, according to Warsaw-based Frontex, the bloc’s agency for border security. At least 350 people try to cross into northeastern Greece from Turkey each day, Deputy Labor Minister Anna Dalara said yesterday.

Somewhere around 2400 years ago 300 Spartans stood shield to shield against the hordes of illegal immigrants and kept them at bay long enough for the reinfocements to gather and defeat them. Fast forward to today and they are powerless to stop them unless they learn from history and employ the same tactics, albeit with modern shields and spears.

Hoo-har!

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Somewhere around 2400 years ago 300 Spartans stood shield to shield against the hordes of illegal immigrants and kept them at bay long enough for the reinfocements to gather and defeat them. Fast forward to today and they are powerless to stop them unless they learn from history and employ the same tactics, albeit with modern shields and spears.

Hoo-har!

Bah armoured spartans and Hoplites are easy to defeat. I just had a few games of RTW playing as Phyruss. You just use a sacrifice unit to tie them up for a few seconds. Then you send an armoured elephant rush from the left flank. All of the spears are facing the other way and they can't disengage and turn towards you. The phalanx formation lasts about 2 seconds once the elephants arrive. Armoured ones last even less time as they can't run away.

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shoot these illegals when they try to cross the border

it's the only message these primitives understand

Bullets cheaper than dealing with asylum seekers

Not sure it'd be accepted though

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-31/greek-burdens-multiply-with-illegal-immigrants-finding-back-door-to-europe.html

Greece, battling to keep its economy from ruin, also is struggling with an increase in the number of asylum seekers using the country as a back door to Europe.
About 90 percent of illegal immigrants in the European Union arrived through Greece, according to Warsaw-based Frontex, the bloc’s agency for border security. At least 350 people try to cross into northeastern Greece from Turkey each day, Deputy Labor Minister Anna Dalara said yesterday.

Somewhere around 2400 years ago 300 Spartans stood shield to shield against the hordes of illegal immigrants and kept them at bay long enough for the reinfocements to gather and defeat them. Fast forward to today and they are powerless to stop them unless they learn from history and employ the same tactics, albeit with modern shields and spears.

Hoo-har!

The problem is they get no reward for stopping them. It costs them a load of money to mount proper boarder defences, then legal aid under EHCR, etc, etc.

It is far Easier to pay 5 Euro for a sign that says "Benefits this Way. 1200 miles."

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You've all been seeing too much 300 methinks, and weren't the Spartans and other Greek city states second rate regional powers in relation to the much larger, more wealthier Achaemenid Empire they were defending their lands against at the time?

Not that the flood of asylum seekers is ideal and everything's got a stress point.

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You've all been seeing too much 300 methinks, and weren't the Spartans and other Greek city states second rate regional powers in relation to the much larger, more wealthier Achaemenid Empire they were defending their lands against at the time?

Not that the flood of asylum seekers is ideal and everything's got a stress point.

2nd rate in terms of a single unified body-politic. Historians are still baffled as to how they pulled it off given the odds. The freak Mediterranean storm that wiped out Cyrus' fleet led to the eventual defeat on land which had something to do with it. Had Cyrus entered "Europa" there would have been no Alexandrian Empire, no Roman Empire, No British Empire. And the state of Israel would never have existed beyond the period of the last OT prophets. :ph34r:

The battle at Thermopolae was possibly the most significant military event in human history. The film drew a LOT of complaints from the Muslim community who see themselves as the spiritual descendants of ancient Persia.

IMO the same conflict rages on and will do so until the end of the age.

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Bullets cheaper than dealing with asylum seekers

Not sure it'd be accepted though

Steady on, doncha know it is illegal to joke about such things now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343017/Kate-Middletons-friend-cautioned-police-joke-shooting-illegal-immigrants.html

A friend of Kate Middleton was interviewed under caution by police after posting an online message saying she planned to shoot illegal immigrants.

Emma Sayle, 32, was formally questioned by police earlier this month after officers received a complaint about a message on her Facebook account but will face no further action.

Events organiser Miss Sayle is the head of The Sisterhood, an all-female charity group which Miss Middleton joined in 2007.

Miss Sayle caused outrage when she posted a message on the social networking site that read: 'Just had a two-hour shooting lesson. She will now be using this skill on the top of East London high rises to help with the UK's illegal immigrant problem.'

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How do you distinguish and invader from an illegal "immigrant?"

IMO, the former seeks to take over the existing culture and impose its own laws and culture.

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How do you distinguish and invader from an illegal "immigrant?"

IMO, the former seeks to take over the existing culture and impose its own laws and culture.

Unfortunately the latter tend to impose their own standards as well once they get established in a country. Always interesting to see adverts 'censored' in East London

http://www.lemondrop.co.uk/2010/06/11/vandals-censor-bikini-adverts/

When we see billboard adverts featuring gorgeous models in bikinis we might feel a little bit envious, but we're seldom offended.

But mystery vandals have targeted 14 bus stops in East London and daubed black paint over images of women in bikinis or couples kissing, in what seems to be an attempt to censor them.

They have splashed black paint over shots of H&M models wearing skimpy beach wear and have defaced promo images for Bollywood romance Kites.

Police have not linked the attacks to a particular religious group, but locals think they could have come from Muslims, Christians, Jews or even feminists. The damage is similar to a wave of attacks in Pakistan by religious extremists.

A spokesman for advertising firm Clear Channel, which posts the ads at bus shelters, said the number of attacks was going up and it cost £130 to put each one right.

Agnes Callamard, of Article 19, a London-based organisation fighting censorship, said: 'While one may dislike some ads, this cannot be a basis for blacking out the picture.'

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Unfortunately the latter tend to impose their own standards as well once they get established in a country. Always interesting to see adverts 'censored' in East London

http://www.lemondrop.co.uk/2010/06/11/vandals-censor-bikini-adverts/

TBH, I am in favour of a bit more censorship of the crass advertising that goes on--don't see as much Knicker press in Europe or the US.

Maybe 2011 will see the start of a social and moral revolution. Our country stinks of corruption, sexual exploitation and LIAR LOANS.

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2nd rate in terms of a single unified body-politic. Historians are still baffled as to how they pulled it off given the odds. The freak Mediterranean storm that wiped out Cyrus' fleet led to the eventual defeat on land which had something to do with it. Had Cyrus entered "Europa" there would have been no Alexandrian Empire, no Roman Empire, No British Empire. And the state of Israel would never have existed beyond the period of the last OT prophets. :ph34r:

Those sorts of political/cultural developmets would've still come to Europe, even if it would've probably changed drastically or got postponed after a lasting conquest of Greece by the Persians. But before the Macedonians steamrolled everyone, the Persians got their revenge by funding the decades long wars between Sparta and Athens.

The battle at Thermopolae was possibly the most significant military event in human history. The film drew a LOT of complaints from the Muslim community who see themselves as the spiritual descendants of ancient Persia.

The Persian Companions were depicted as goblin like monsters in black clothing and King Xerxes as some kind of bald freak in gold S&M gear, that would insult anybody with passing knowledge of the events.

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Those sorts of political/cultural developmets would've still come to Europe, even if it would've probably changed drastically or got postponed after a lasting conquest of Greece by the Persians. But before the Macedonians steamrolled everyone, the Persians got their revenge by funding the decades long wars between Sparta and Athens.

The Persian Companions were depicted as goblin like monsters in black clothing and King Xerxes as some kind of bald freak in gold S&M gear, that would insult anybody with passing knowledge of the events.

True. The Persians had a very advanced civil service and actually governed their country well. Far from Barbaric. According to OT accounts, they treated foreigners reasonably well and had a degree of tolerance toward "other" religions.

World conquest was not on "the agenda" and I suspect they lost all confidence after the Spartan incident which opened the way for the Macedonians to dispatch their armies quite easily.

Another impoprtant lesson for today: Alexander steered clear of Afghanistan due to its reputation as being unconquerable. They headed SE instead and took over a large chunk of India.

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So let me get this straight,

A small nation with far too many open borders (how many islands are there?), being the closest EU country to this part of the world and also connected to mainland europe. A country that has not a pot to piss in? And it is news that most illegals come this way?

No ******ing shit Sherlock. What do you people suggest? Demand they spend more money they don't have to stop them?

:lol::lol::lol:

Here's a thought, if so many end up in the UK, why don't we control our borders? Or do we wish to extrenalise the cost and responsibility?

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So let me get this straight,

A small nation with far too many open borders (how many islands are there?), being the closest EU country to this part of the world and also connected to mainland europe. A country that has not a pot to piss in? And it is news that most illegals come this way?

No ******ing shit Sherlock. What do you people suggest? Demand they spend more money they don't have to stop them?

:lol::lol::lol:

Here's a thought, if so many end up in the UK, why don't we control our borders? Or do we wish to extrenalise the cost and responsibility?

CBI have told Dave no.

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Here's a thought, if so many end up in the UK, why don't we control our borders?

And unlike Greece, we've got physical geography on our side.

A dozen sea ports, a couple of dozen airports and the Chunnel are all you need to cover.

The airports can be taken care of by the simple expedient of doing what the Americans do: introducing an ESTA-like system for anyone wishing to enter the UK by air, requiring passenger lists in advance before planes are required to enter our airspace and fining airlines punitively for anyone they import without appropriate clearance. The same process could be applied to passenger trains through the Chunnel. This has virtually stopped illegal immigration to the US by air, and there's no reason why it couldn't work here.

The seaports and road vehicles through the Chunnel are a little bit more complex, but requiring all vehicles to drive through a thermal detector type thing would certainly catch a lot more than are being caught at present. Incidentally, one thing that could be done there is to check the number plates of all embarking vehicles, and requiring that any outstanding fines for motoring offences (e.g. speed cameras) be paid before the offending vehicle is allowed to drive onto the boat or train. Such a system would cost comparatively little to implement and raise a considerable amount of money, I suspect.

If we closed those loopholes the result would probably be more 'unofficial' boats discharging human cargoes on beaches in the dead of night, but I suspect that the net problem would decrease substantially.

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And unlike Greece, we've got physical geography on our side.

A dozen sea ports, a couple of dozen airports and the Chunnel are all you need to cover.

......

If we closed those loopholes the result would probably be more 'unofficial' boats discharging human cargoes on beaches in the dead of night, but I suspect that the net problem would decrease substantially.

I was following a link to a Mail article on another thread and noticed this story: 'One-man crimewave' bag thief faces deportation for a FIFTH time... after we gave him £3,000 to go back to Algeria. I would appear from that story that the UK has no effective border controls at the moment. This guy got deported but just hopped on a Eurostar train back to the UK, i.e:

"Benmakhlouf was first thrown out of the UK in July 2007 when he was released early from a three-and-a-half year jail term for theft.

The conman, ...., was offered £3,000 in 'repatriation expenses' and flown back to Algeria. But he was back, via Eurostar, within 24 hours.

In April 2008 he was arrested again for a series of thefts and jailed for another three years.

In March 2009, after serving just a third of his sentence, Benmakhlouf was again flown home at taxpayers' expense. But he sneaked back days later, only to be sent back in January 2010. On March 20 last year Benmakhlouf was spotted on CCTV at Heathrow.

Not only was he in breach of the deportation order but also of an Asbo banning him from the airport."

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This has virtually stopped illegal immigration to the US by air, and there's no reason why it couldn't work here.

No reason other that you'd first have to leave the EU.

Edited by MarkG

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If it goes ahead, I hope the tab gets picked up by the EU, as illegal immigration is an EU wide problem. Could be quite a useful job creation scheme for the Greeks actually.

And guns on the bits where they come in on boats?

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It is a massive problem in Greece and Cyprus and is causing a lot of tension.

Because of Mr DJ's family, I go to Cyprus once or twice every year. Went back four months ago to find that the local secondary school next to his parents house was noticeably full of non-Greek children. I asked the local kiosk owner (family have known her for years) what was going on. It turns out the EU told the Cypriots they had to take these immigrants and now the school is 50 percent "asylum seeker" children -- this happened in the space of less than 12 months.

And the Cypriots do not like it one bit. The Cypriot state system is poor at best, and the entire island is running dangerously high state deficits. There is no work and chronic unemployment amongst the young. Many working class families and elderly are very poor. The last thing they need is to have to support extra population.

The further problem is that all of these immigrants are Muslim, and noticeably so. Yet Cyprus is an island that saw civil war thirty years ago over ethnic and political jurisdiction, and still has people living in "refugee camps" (though they have facilities and front doors etc), and is still geographically divided along ethnic, racial and religious lines -- North versus South, Turk versus Greek, Muslim vs Christian Orthodox. Cyprus also has a very polarised political spectrum because of the civil war; Cyprus still has a massive divide between left and right: I've known hardcore Leninists and downright fascists over there ... there is very little middle ground, and all the men do national service.

I cannot see how this will end well at all. I have no idea what the EU think is it is doing ... it is just shoring up a tinderbox.

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Like single currency, free movement seemed like a good idea at the time but is veering towards disaster in a small, compact place like Cyprus, and it has been bad enough with economic immigrants in the UK. What will likely happen in Cyprus has already happened in some of the poorer inner city areas of France and - to a lesser extent - Britain.

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