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Spotted a "Breaking News" on Sky about more Lib Dems being secretly recorded. Came across this on the Torygraph site:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/8218224/Liberal-Democrat-ministers-condemn-scrapping-of-child-benefit.html

If the coalition collapses then I wonder just what is in store for the UK? I cannot see the markets taking a Lib-Lab coalition seriously...but that is only my opinion!

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If the coalition collapses then I wonder just what is in store for the UK? I cannot see the markets taking a Lib-Lab coalition seriously...but that is only my opinion!

Roadmap if coalition fails seems pretty clear. Firstly a Conservative minority government can trot along for so long based on the groundwork already laid, then sclerotisation in parliament leading to another election, and repeat.

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Roadmap if coalition fails seems pretty clear. Firstly a Conservative minority government can trot along for so long based on the groundwork already laid, then sclerotisation in parliament leading to another election, and repeat.

Toryograph are gonna get themselves the socialists again.

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Toryograph are gonna get themselves the socialists again.

Minority labour government would be most interesting at this point.

They'll have to raise taxes just to finance the increased borrowing costs even before re-heating the gravy. :(

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Coalition will last its term. So long as the base rate stays low.

Vince has probably positioned himself nicely on the anti-bank ticket. I reckon the civil unrest through next year will be aimed at those *******, and the tories will have to become fellow travellers.

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Minority labour government would be most interesting at this point.

They'll have to raise taxes just to finance the increased borrowing costs even before re-heating the gravy. :(

If an election is forced, it won't be a minority Labour Govt.

It will be an utter shambles of a Labour Govt with a workable majority and they will print.

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If an election is forced, it won't be a minority Labour Govt.

It will be an utter shambles of a Labour Govt with a workable majority and they will print.

you have to ask are the people really that stupid ?

actually they are - scary innit!

Ed Milliband as PM good God its like a Monty Python sketch

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If an election is forced, it won't be a minority Labour Govt.

It will be an utter shambles of a Labour Govt with a workable majority and they will print.

Sounds familiar.

I think the likelist course is for the co-alition to hold. Cable is still in position, and it must be difficult to reconcile manifesto pledges with the requirements of the coalition and most voters can understand that. So what if there are privately held differences of opinion, if good laws get passed and some politicians are thinking about honour, then this is welcome news for the country.

And with regards to printing, nobody is ruling out more of that.

Edited by Bring forth the guillotine

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To declare my hand, I am a Tory through and through.

Do I approve of the Coalition? Yes

It seems to me that the Conservatives have picked up the very worst of the last Labour Govt with their spin, deceit and lies. They will do everything it takes to remove the difficult, untrustworthy and nasty lefty Lib Dems. Tories and Lib Dems are not natural cohabitees.

Vince Cable appears to have walked into the oldest trap of all. He has been proved correct once and once only but on a major issue - the banks. Sadly this has rather gone to his head. Only human nature I guess.

He seems to have been totally stitched up by the Cons. Not very attractive and all very short sighted. I mean let's me honest, Cable is no spring chicken so he won't be around forever. He is likely to be impossible to work with but I have met a few in his dept and they are either quite stupid or as equally imposssible.

The truth is the caiibre of MP now is so low, so poor, so inadequate for the job in hand it is no wonder our country slows sinks into the abyss.

I have approved of the Coalition because the tasks in hand are so enormous, so difficult that unless there is cross party agreement with natural checks and balances I really don't see how the way forward can be achieved for the good of this Country. I feel I am not alone.

When the Old Etonians have been out for power for so long they have serious catching up and lost ground to cover. All very unattractive.

This will all get much worse before it improves. The Tories cannot do it alone and the signs of weakness and hopelessness in doing what needs to be done is already clear. Until we have a slash and burn policy on the public sector we are sinking in the sands of debt. Taxing us more will not save the country only hasten our demise.

House prices will not be increasing for many many years. Even the talented immigrants are leaving.

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If you remember back to the General Election, the one big reason (it was claimed at the time) we had a coalition in the first place was to settle the markets so presumably endangering the coalition now might cause a few financial fireworks.

Watch this space.

Edited by Dave Spart

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If an election is forced, it won't be a minority Labour Govt.

It will be an utter shambles of a Labour Govt with a workable majority and they will print.

The polls are quite interesting at the present: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/voting-intention/yougov

In essence it looks like a Lib/Con suicide pact.

Whilst I'd normally put a dip in the Government's popularity at this stage to the end of the honeymoon and something that is normally overcome by an election campaign, in this case the story is different. The Conservatives are only down a bit, but Labour is up a lot at the expense of the Lib Dems.

This is the sort of switch that is probably sticky as it is essentially left wingers, including a lot of former Labour voters whose votes the LDs borrowed switching back. The Conservatives have only really ever had the support of 1/3 of the voting population, and if the great unwashed get motivated then Labour tend to win.

Back to the suicide pact analogy, it feels rather like the Lib Dems have taken themselves and the Conservatives to the top of Canary Wharf. The Lib Dems have just jumped off the tower, and Cameron has only just noticed he is bound to Nick Clegg by 10 metres of climbing rope.

Edited by Mikhail Liebenstein

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To declare my hand, I am a Tory through and through.

Do I approve of the Coalition? Yes

It seems to me that the Conservatives have picked up the very worst of the last Labour Govt with their spin, deceit and lies. They will do everything it takes to remove the difficult, untrustworthy and nasty lefty Lib Dems. Tories and Lib Dems are not natural cohabitees.

Vince Cable appears to have walked into the oldest trap of all. He has been proved correct once and once only but on a major issue - the banks. Sadly this has rather gone to his head. Only human nature I guess.

He seems to have been totally stitched up by the Cons. Not very attractive and all very short sighted. I mean let's me honest, Cable is no spring chicken so he won't be around forever. He is likely to be impossible to work with but I have met a few in his dept and they are either quite stupid or as equally imposssible.

The truth is the caiibre of MP now is so low, so poor, so inadequate for the job in hand it is no wonder our country slows sinks into the abyss.

I have approved of the Coalition because the tasks in hand are so enormous, so difficult that unless there is cross party agreement with natural checks and balances I really don't see how the way forward can be achieved for the good of this Country. I feel I am not alone.

When the Old Etonians have been out for power for so long they have serious catching up and lost ground to cover. All very unattractive.

This will all get much worse before it improves. The Tories cannot do it alone and the signs of weakness and hopelessness in doing what needs to be done is already clear. Until we have a slash and burn policy on the public sector we are sinking in the sands of debt. Taxing us more will not save the country only hasten our demise.

House prices will not be increasing for many many years. Even the talented immigrants are leaving.

Interesting to me how the only meaningful things that the Tories did to reduce the deficit, was to raise taxes.

All of the so say cuts in expenditure were just smoke and mirrors. They either went after things that wont save much, or they have said that they are going to cut things, without understanding the mechanism by which the cuts will work.

A good example of this is housing benefit, which they claim that they are going to cut to the 30th decile in each area. What they forget though is that these figures are set by individuals, and you can bet your bottom dollar that many who set the values will raise them, just to ensure that the current HB claimants are not affected by the cuts.

So it is no mystery to me that we are hearing lots of stories about rising rents around the country. They are not rising of course, but the reported figure is. Oh, and 23 billion deficit last month.

That figure will grow, and neither the Tories or the Lib Dems seem to have a clue about what to do. The changes to state pensions makes it clear that all they seem to do is make it worse.

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Spotted a "Breaking News" on Sky about more Lib Dems being secretly recorded. Came across this on the Torygraph site:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/liberaldemocrats/8218224/Liberal-Democrat-ministers-condemn-scrapping-of-child-benefit.html

If the coalition collapses then I wonder just what is in store for the UK? I cannot see the markets taking a Lib-Lab coalition seriously...but that is only my opinion!

I'm beginning to wonder if the Tories feel they can win an outright majority and are now sticking the knife in the Liberals so the coalition collapses and they can take all the power with an election win.

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The last government survived a decade of open warfare between the PM and Chancellor, wars fought on false premises and economic meltdown accompanied by widespread policy failure. Things roll along, the TV has news slots to fill and people have to get all outraged about stuff, it's just a habit.

Cables aside is a triviality; a media interest story because it's essentially about the media. It'll be gone and forgotten by next week, just like student tuition fees (anyone remember when they were "going to bring down the coalition"?).

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I'm beginning to wonder if the Tories feel they can win an outright majority and are now sticking the knife in the Liberals so the coalition collapses and they can take all the power with an election win.

Have to say I can't see any sign of it; they look less likely to get a majority if there was an election now than they did last time. Despite making rather an obvious mess of things I would really start to panic if we got another election. Labour returning to power would finish the country off, and I'm not sure if the Tories alone wouldn't either. They seem quite capable of some ideological crusade against public services without even managing to save much money.

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Toryograph are gonna get themselves the socialists again.

+1 - what are they thinking?

Keep in mind that the owner's of the Telegraph don't pay taxes in the UK, but do own a lot of assets here. They did quite well under Labour.

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Toryograph are gonna get themselves the socialists again.

It's also going to pretty much guarantee that Murdoch gets his way with the Sky buyout. Well done, you idiots.

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Labour returning to power would finish the country off,

Depsite the ****** they spew, I really do not think that Labour want power just yet...they want to sit there in opposition and point the finger of blame at the Tories for the next few years. When and if the feel good factor comes back they'll then start working towards getting back into power. My hunch is that they do not want to swap places with the Tories UNTIL the worst is over.

But lets say that they did, the end result would be an Ireland style balls up leading to the IMF coming in and telling Labour what to do...just like they did in the 70s. I don't think the Labour Party wants a repeat of that humilation again!

Nah...Labour will sit back and piss and moan...that's all they'll do and if they have any sense they'll stick to that plan until 2015.

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Depsite the ****** they spew, I really do not think that Labour want power just yet...they want to sit there in opposition and point the finger of blame at the Tories for the next few years. When and if the feel good factor comes back they'll then start working towards getting back into power. My hunch is that they do not want to swap places with the Tories UNTIL the worst is over.

But lets say that they did, the end result would be an Ireland style balls up leading to the IMF coming in and telling Labour what to do...just like they did in the 70s. I don't think the Labour Party wants a repeat of that humilation again!

Nah...Labour will sit back and piss and moan...that's all they'll do and if they have any sense they'll stick to that plan until 2015.

I sort of agree. As a Labour supporter I shared a lot of the disappointment many felt with the last government. Initially I wanted the new leader to be a new start, all fire and brimstone against the coalition but a few things clearly stand out:

1. On a lot of issues Labour obviously does not hold the moral high ground. Best to keep quiet for a year or so.

2. The coalition is a mess. It lacks cohesion - ministries are already personal fiefdoms and there are plenty of loose cannons there. There is no strategy. No joined up thinking as evidenced by the almost weekly U-turns. It will get looser and looser the longer it goes on.

3. Labour don't have to do much except sit back and watch the fireworks. To just relax and enjoy the comedy.

I've stocked up on popcorn.

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If you remember back to the General Election, the one big reason (it was claimed at the time) we had a coalition in the first place was to settle the markets so presumably endangering the coalition now might cause a few financial fireworks.

Watch this space.

My thoughts exactly. If the coalition appears to be cracking, then things will start to happen in the markets. Bad things.

Put the November borrowing figures together with the coalitions woes, and we may have a recipe for some serious snowballing problems.

Add social unrest to the mix, and 2011 is not going to be boring :ph34r:

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