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I would imagine this is for any student who was not Scottish - rather than specifically just English students.

But then I doubt the Daily Mail would explain this to theri readers.

I suppose this all comes down to whether or not you think Scottish Universities are 'Scottish' or part of the 'UK'.

If the former then I think this makes sense. If the latter then no.

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The best bit is that scotland will have to extend a free education to all EU students. Not only will England be subsidising scottish students but Europeans as well. You couldn't make it up.

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I would imagine this is for any student who was not Scottish - rather than specifically just English students.

But then I doubt the Daily Mail would explain this to theri readers.

I suppose this all comes down to whether or not you think Scottish Universities are 'Scottish' or part of the 'UK'.

If the former then I think this makes sense. If the latter then no.

So it only makes sense then if there are separate 'English' and 'Scottish' universities.

In which case we ought to have separate nations. Something I can support.

What makes me laugh though is the party that would benefit most from a separate England, is the Conservative and Unionist party.

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I would imagine this is for any student who was not Scottish - rather than specifically just English students.

But then I doubt the Daily Mail would explain this to theri readers.

I suppose this all comes down to whether or not you think Scottish Universities are 'Scottish' or part of the 'UK'.

If the former then I think this makes sense. If the latter then no.

no, actually.

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Can somebody explain to me why this policy is not racist? Scottish people and european students pay x and only English people pay more.

If I set up a market stall and displayed Cheese 1 pound a kilogram (except Scottish people it is 3pounds per kilogram) I would be in court for racism tout suite.

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In response, Scottish education secretary Mike Russell yesterday unveiled proposals to charge students from England, Wales and Northern Ireland between £4,500 and £6,500 a year from 2012.'

And who's paying for free Uni for Scottish students? Divide and conquer etc.

We, in Scotland, have decided that a free education for Scots undergrads is a good thing. We have decided to fund this from the small percentage of oil income the UK government deign to return to Scotland, and to the detriment of the non-Scottish students that we are legally allowed to charge.

We've covered this before. If you think it's unfair, then lobby for change.

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Can somebody explain to me why this policy is not racist? Scottish people and european students pay x and only English people pay more.

If I set up a market stall and displayed Cheese 1 pound a kilogram (except Scottish people it is 3pounds per kilogram) I would be in court for racism tout suite.

If you wanted to study in an American university, would you expect the Yanks to pick up the tab?

I'm just sorry we can't charge all foriegn students and provide a stipend for Scottish students with the extra income.

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The best bit is that scotland will have to extend a free education to all EU students. Not only will England be subsidising scottish students but Europeans as well. You couldn't make it up.

No they won't.

No doubt the English press didn't report the full document or the comments from the Scottish Education minister when he was interviewed re. this topic last night.

Ignorance is bliss.

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If you wanted to study in an American university, would you expect the Yanks to pick up the tab?

I'm just sorry we can't charge all foriegn students and provide a stipend for Scottish students with the extra income.

The US is not part of the UK.

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Does this apply to all goods and services bought by English in Scotland or just tuition fees?

It's blatant protectionism.

English should simply impose tariffs on all Scottish goods or some sort of purchase tax based on accent.

Sorted.

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Oh dear, you lot seem to have read the Daily Wail as if they had actually reported something correctly for a change. Its to do with how the LEA funding is carried out, the scottish LEA (its actually the national SAAS) choose to fund the full fee for university tuition, where as the ones in England don't. The result is that the english/welsh/irish students have to pay the difference effectively.

Its nothing to do with racism, this funding situation has been the case for at least 15 years as its down to local governments to sort out. If its any consolation as a Scot who has been living in england i wouldnt get free education either. You could just move to scotland 2/3 years before you have to go to uni and get it free regardless of where you were born?

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Oh dear, you lot seem to have read the Daily Wail as if they had actually reported something correctly for a change. Its to do with how the LEA funding is carried out, the scottish LEA (its actually the national SAAS) choose to fund the full fee for university tuition, where as the ones in England don't. The result is that the english/welsh/irish students have to pay the difference effectively.

Its nothing to do with racism, this funding situation has been the case for at least 15 years as its down to local governments to sort out. If its any consolation as a Scot who has been living in england i wouldnt get free education either. You could just move to scotland 2/3 years before you have to go to uni and get it free regardless of where you were born?

Agree. Nothing new here. Just the Daily Wail trying to sell papers B)

I studied in England for 1 yr as part of my degree in the late 80s. Being Scottish, no chance of a LEA grant from England. Scottish LEA wouldn't fund it, as it was for an English uni.

Result: Student loan and a job for a year to fund it myself.

Maybe I should have sent the Daily Wail a letter of outrage, decrying the racism.....

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No they won't.

No doubt the English press didn't report the full document or the comments from the Scottish Education minister when he was interviewed re. this topic last night.

Ignorance is bliss.

Yes they will. Even the BBC were reporting on the details. If you know better then, please, feel free to share.

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Sorry, I'm confused. Am I right that it will be free to other EU students, unless the country in question is England? How does that work? I could understand them wanting to charge anyone from outside Scotland, but JUST the rest of the UK? :huh:

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Oh dear, you lot seem to have read the Daily Wail as if they had actually reported something correctly for a change. Its to do with how the LEA funding is carried out, the scottish LEA (its actually the national SAAS) choose to fund the full fee for university tuition, where as the ones in England don't. The result is that the english/welsh/irish students have to pay the difference effectively.

Its nothing to do with racism, this funding situation has been the case for at least 15 years as its down to local governments to sort out. If its any consolation as a Scot who has been living in england i wouldnt get free education either. You could just move to scotland 2/3 years before you have to go to uni and get it free regardless of where you were born?

4 years residency is required to qualify.

A free education subsidised by England is one thing, then charging English students the full rate possible is quite another.

A free education extended to all EU students under EU law is much harder to swallow when they are also going to end up being subsidised by England.

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shafted :lol:

That may be true, the money has to come from somewhere. But, as is so often pointed out in this forum, this generation will need all the help they can get if their going to financially survive the next few decades.

At least our boomers are doing something to try and help them.

Glad to see were singing from the same hymn sheet on independance btw :)

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Glad to see were singing from the same hymn sheet on independance btw :)

we are indeed, there is far more support for it in England than there is in scotland. Unfortunately though we dont get to vote on it.

The reason that you lot havent voted for it is because most understand they would be cutting their own throats.

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we are indeed, there is far more support for it in England than there is in scotland. Unfortunately though we dont get to vote on it.

The reason that you lot havent voted for it is because most understand they would be cutting their own throats.

The problem is negating the effect of the english-backed media spiel which we Scot's have been brainwashed by.

This is old ground for this forum, so there's little point raking over the coals, I'm just glad we have a common goal to work towards! Both Scotland and englands well-being at heart.

(Did you see what I did there? Normally I would capitalise England, but Nemo me impune lacessit :D )

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Thanks for clearing that up.

Perhaps you didn't get my gist, Scotland shouldn't be part of the UK either.

The Scots have had two chances to vote for it and rejected, give the English the vote and Scotland would be gone at the first attempt.

The problem is negating the effect of the english-backed media spiel which we Scot's have been brainwashed by.

Scottish media is very anti-English, maybe thats why they vote to keep under England's tax blanket.

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The Scots have had two chances to vote for it and rejected, give the English the vote and Scotland would be gone at the first attempt.

Scottish media is very anti-English, maybe thats why they vote to keep under England's tax blanket.

I was a Labour supporter through the 80's and 90's, and wouldn't have supported independance then either. That situation has changed somewhat!

If it were to bring about Scottish independance, then I agree that the English should get that vote, along with the Welsh and N. Irish. Did you forget about them? Symptomatic?

Not sure what your second comment means I'm afraid.

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The Scots have had two chances to vote for it and rejected, give the English the vote and Scotland would be gone at the first attempt.

Scottish media is very anti-English, maybe thats why they vote to keep under England's tax blanket.

I think you'll find that the majority of voters DID vote for the road to independence in 1979. It's just that Westminster added a caveat. First and last time this type of caveat was used in UK voting.

Since then, Scots have been wary about electoral reform promised by Westminster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_devolution_referendum,_1979

Couldn't have the Union being dissolved and seeing all those petrol pounds leave the coffers. How else could the 3.5million unemployed be financed and the miners beaten in the early 80s? B)

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