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So, he's got loads of celeb & media friends who are backing him and has now been bailed to the country pile of some media baron, pending his extradition application. People seem desperate to support this guy purely because his organisation is into freedom of the press, seemingly at all costs.

However, every one of these people seem to have missed the point that he is actually wanted in connection with serious sexual assults and nothing more.

If I go out and rape a few women but make sure that I embarrass a few politicians before hand (and he's done not much more) do I get all my bail paid for and also beneift from the inevitable result of not getting charged - or deported - because the courts end up finding that I won't get a fair trial due to all the publicity I've managed to stir up?

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Nice to see the BBC state propaganda machine working on you.

The charge isn't rape. It is well beyond rape, though in Sweden the rape laws cover lots of things (Sweden is 2nd rape capital of the world btw because of these laws).

The women BOTH jumped in the sack with him voluntarily, he shagged one, then managed to get her best mate. This peeved off the original woman badly so they went and made this up against him. Case was thrown out couple months ago since the women openly boasted on Twitter having bedded him.

Here is a killer quote

He isn’t. He’s sought on made-up-weird-charges that aren’t a crime in the UK, or anywhere else sensible.

Killer line:

The consent of both women to sex with Assange has been confirmed by prosecutors.

Assange is being prosecuted for having sex without a condom, with someone who didn’t mind the lack of condom at the time, but who subsequently was cross about the fact that he didn’t use a condom.

OR that it was found to have split = rape in Sweden

I remember reading a report years ago about it, condoms actually have a 40% fail rate when used PERFECTLY and stored perfectly too. Your shag lasts longer than 15 minutes? You're supposed to change to a new one as they weaken as the lube gets dissolved. You store it in your wallet or improperly? The failure rate goes above and beyond 50%

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Personally I would hand him over to the Americans as a Christmas gift. <_<

Maybe but lets focus on the Swedish thing. He's charged with serious sexual offences yet loads of wealthy media/celeb types are trying to say that he should effectively be let off that just because he's done a few decent freedom of speech things. Do these people think that the women who have made thse allegations should just be ignored because they've adopted him as some sort of socialist hero?

Seriously, has the world gone nuts?

Actually, having just seen the guy giving an inpromptu press conference he seems like a but of a nutter and quite the narcacist. Moaning about how his privacy has been compromised yet speaking to the world's press when he needn't; harping on about his "mission" (or words to that effect) to realease yet more pointless crap for no particular reason.

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So, he's got loads of celeb & media friends who are backing him and has now been bailed to the country pile of some media baron, pending his extradition application. People seem desperate to support this guy purely because his organisation is into freedom of the press, seemingly at all costs.

However, every one of these people seem to have missed the point that he is actually wanted in connection with serious sexual assults and nothing more.

If I go out and rape a few women but make sure that I embarrass a few politicians before hand (and he's done not much more) do I get all my bail paid for and also beneift from the inevitable result of not getting charged - or deported - because the courts end up finding that I won't get a fair trial due to all the publicity I've managed to stir up?

There are some questions about the validity of the rape allegations, or indeed if the allegations are even rape allegations. At the very least it's all a bit odd the way they were dismissed by swedish prosecutors then resurrected months later by swedish politicians. The whole "how to get revenge on a cheat" blog post supposedly made by one of the women before the initial complaint also bears thinking about - especially as it was deleted just before she went to the police.

In the end though, until he's been convicted he's innocent, and until he has been charged (which apparently he hasn't - at least not by the Swedes) he can't be extradited, so why was he held in solitary confinement for a week?

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Maybe but lets focus on the Swedish thing. He's charged with serious sexual offences yet loads of wealthy media/celeb types are trying to say that he should effectively be let off that just because he's done a few decent freedom of speech things. Do these people think that the women who have made thse allegations should just be ignored because they've adopted him as some sort of socialist hero?

Seriously, has the world gone nuts?

Actually, having just seen the guy giving an inpromptu press conference he seems like a but of a nutter and quite the narcacist. Moaning about how his privacy has been compromised yet speaking to the world's press when he needn't; harping on about his "mission" (or words to that effect) to realease yet more pointless crap for no particular reason.

Yes, but (a) this was all dealt with months ago whilst he was in Sweden so why is it being resurrected now (that he has embarressed the US), (B) I don't think anyone is arguing that he shouldn't fancy any consequences, but he hasn't even been charged so how can they extradite him? © the women long since withdrew the complaints.

I agree that he is a bit of a twit. I also think that the system is being played like a piano against him on quite possibly spurious grounds.

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Do these people think that the women who have made thse allegations should just be ignored because they've adopted him as some sort of socialist hero?

That isn't the question though, the question you are asking is can a woman change her mind several months after the event? Y/N?

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Maybe but lets focus on the Swedish thing. He's charged with serious sexual offences yet loads of wealthy media/celeb types are trying to say that he should effectively be let off that just because he's done a few decent freedom of speech things. Do these people think that the women who have made thse allegations should just be ignored because they've adopted him as some sort of socialist hero?

Seriously, has the world gone nuts?

Actually, having just seen the guy giving an inpromptu press conference he seems like a but of a nutter and quite the narcacist. Moaning about how his privacy has been compromised yet speaking to the world's press when he needn't; harping on about his "mission" (or words to that effect) to realease yet more pointless crap for no particular reason.

No - he was not charged. There have been allegations made. Also, these allegations are NOT serious sexual offenses - they would not by all accounts even be offences in most countries. That is why it is a big deal. Unless you know different and can supply that additional information so contrary to all the commonly read articles doing the rounds?

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Nice to see the BBC state propaganda machine working on you.

The charge isn't rape. It is well beyond rape, though in Sweden the rape laws cover lots of things (Sweden is 2nd rape capital of the world btw because of these laws).

The women BOTH jumped in the sack with him voluntarily, he shagged one, then managed to get her best mate. This peeved off the original woman badly so they went and made this up against him. Case was thrown out couple months ago since the women openly boasted on Twitter having bedded him.

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OR that it was found to have split = rape in Sweden

I remember reading a report years ago about it, condoms actually have a 40% fail rate when used PERFECTLY and stored perfectly too. Your shag lasts longer than 15 minutes? You're supposed to change to a new one as they weaken as the lube gets dissolved. You store it in your wallet or improperly? The failure rate goes above and beyond 50%

Nope, sorry. I don't believe that. It sounds like lots has been lost in translation or something similar. Consent is consent whereever you are. Sweden is a modern western democracy and not Iran. I would strongly suspect that you have very little idea of what Swedish law on such things is.

The case clearly was not thrown out if they are still asking for his extradition.

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There are some questions about the validity of the rape allegations, or indeed if the allegations are even rape allegations. At the very least it's all a bit odd the way they were dismissed by swedish prosecutors then resurrected months later by swedish politicians. The whole "how to get revenge on a cheat" blog post supposedly made by one of the women before the initial complaint also bears thinking about - especially as it was deleted just before she went to the police.

In the end though, until he's been convicted he's innocent, and until he has been charged (which apparently he hasn't - at least not by the Swedes) he can't be extradited, so why was he held in solitary confinement for a week?

I doubt that's true. Besides, from what I understand, the argument is that "the allegations were not put to him in Sweden so he should not be extradited however, they were put to him but he was never actually charged becaused he left before they could be.

To re-iterate. The guy is wanted on suspicions of serious sexual offences. Why do his supporters think that this should have anything to do with the fact that he's leekd some pretty pointless government info?

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most don't know who he is

most don't know whom he is working for (everyone is working for someone)

most don't know what the whole show is about (the BBC won't tell you the truth)

and yet

everybody's got strong opinions about the guy!!! :lol:

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Nope, sorry. I don't believe that. It sounds like lots has been lost in translation or something similar. Consent is consent whereever you are. Sweden is a modern western democracy and not Iran. I would strongly suspect that you have very little idea of what Swedish law on such things is.

The case clearly was not thrown out if they are still asking for his extradition.

Here's an aggregation of a variety of news stories, with links to sources, including the fact that the allegation isn't rape, that even the prosecutors confirmed consent was given by both women, and that the case was dropped by prosecutors. There's other stuff out there but this might be worth your reading.

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Oops the link would help! Link

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That isn't the question though, the question you are asking is can a woman change her mind several months after the event? Y/N?

Who says that this is the case though? If it is then there is no way the English Courts will extradite him. There is a lot of media speculation here and it's my bet that a great deal is probably being lost in translation. Swedish to English is bad enough, legal Swedish to standard English will likely be horrendous.

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I doubt that's true.

Well he just said that on the news ten minutes ago. His lawyers said it earlier before he was released.

Besides, from what I understand, the argument is that "the allegations were not put to him in Sweden so he should not be extradited however, they were put to him but he was never actually charged becaused he left before they could be.

they dropped the case before he was allowed to leave sweden.

To re-iterate. The guy is wanted on suspicions of serious sexual offences.

The serious offense that has be alleged is so serious that it carries a jail term of "no jail time at all" and a small fine.

Why do his supporters think that this should have anything to do with the fact that he's leekd some pretty pointless government info?

Because the case was dropped, and then resurrected months later, moments after the big leak. At the least it is odd. You have to admit that.

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Nope, sorry. I don't believe that. It sounds like lots has been lost in translation or something similar. Consent is consent whereever you are. Sweden is a modern western democracy and not Iran.

Riight that was quick, going all ad hominem when you are clearly being torn apart here. These are not serious sexual offenses as you keep on saying.

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No - he was not charged. There have been allegations made. Also, these allegations are NOT serious sexual offenses - they would not by all accounts even be offences in most countries. That is why it is a big deal. Unless you know different and can supply that additional information so contrary to all the commonly read articles doing the rounds?

What are the allegations, specifically?

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I doubt that's true. Besides, from what I understand, the argument is that "the allegations were not put to him in Sweden so he should not be extradited however, they were put to him but he was never actually charged becaused he left before they could be.

To re-iterate. The guy is wanted on suspicions of serious sexual offences. Why do his supporters think that this should have anything to do with the fact that he's leekd some pretty pointless government info?

Is your mrs not Swedish? Can she not provide you with an accurate interpretation of the allegations and usual sentence for such crimes?

I have heard that the allegations are for crimes which do no usually carry a custodial sentence, which is inconsistent with your assertion that they are serious sexual offences.

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Here's an aggregation of a variety of news stories, with links to sources, including the fact that the allegation isn't rape, that even the prosecutors confirmed consent was given by both women, and that the case was dropped by prosecutors. There's other stuff out there but this might be worth your reading.

Edit:

Oops the link would help! Link

It's difficult to get at what the truth of the matter is here. The article headlines on some obscure Swedish law relating to "Sex without condom", sorry but I very much doubt that there is one. I mean, why would you enact such a law? Is it the case than sex is unlawful in Sweden without a rubber jonnie? If course it isn't, the very idea is ridiculous.

Reading between the lines, it would appear that what they are getting at probably actually amounts to lack of consent. For instance, if you consent believing the fact of the case to be "a", yet the bloke shagging you is actually acting on fact "b" then there is no consent. If he says, "If you let me shag you I promise to use a condom" but then doesn't then the argument is that there is no consent as you have not consented to the actual facts.

Just because the case was dropped and subsequently re-instigated means fvck all. There was a bloke only this week who was retried and convicted for murder after having been acquitted years ago.

If someone produces an accurate translation of the Swedish documents I'll start believing them. The British press can't even grasp the nuances of English law, expecting them to understand Swedish law borders on the ludicous, to tbe quite honest.

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It's difficult to get at what the truth of the matter is here. The article headlines on some obscure Swedish law relating to "Sex without condom", sorry but I very much doubt that there is one.

It was covered around the time of his arrest by several main stream newspapers. If it was not true these papers would be libel.

This link covers it pretty comprehensively.

IMHO Assange is quite clearly innocent of rape (as we know it) or any serious sexual assault.

He appears to be guilty of using a poor quality condom and having relations with a total head case.

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Well he just said that on the news ten minutes ago. His lawyers said it earlier before he was released.

To be fair, they would though.

they dropped the case before he was allowed to leave sweden.

Did they though? Even if they did, why can't they re-instate it?

The serious offense that has be alleged is so serious that it carries a jail term of "no jail time at all" and a small fine.

Okay, still an offence though and people have been hauled in on EU arrest warrants for minor driving offences. I didn't notice Gemima Kahn putting up bail for such people.

Because the case was dropped, and then resurrected months later, moments after the big leak. At the least it is odd. You have to admit that.

So it's impossible that it was merely coincidence?

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Riight that was quick, going all ad hominem when you are clearly being torn apart here. These are not serious sexual offenses as you keep on saying.

Most sexual offences are quite serious of their very nature. What I'm saying is that a lot has probably been lost in translation. Does wnyone have the actual Swedish prosecutorial documents because I can get them translated if so.

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Yes, you posted that. It is, however, a montage assembled from various press reports. What are the actual suspected crimes as detailed on the Swedish extradion application - in Swedish?

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So, he's got loads of celeb & media friends who are backing him and has now been bailed to the country pile of some media baron, pending his extradition application. People seem desperate to support this guy purely because his organisation is into freedom of the press, seemingly at all costs.

Most people do seem to be backing Assange as some kind of freedom warrior. I admit I am undecided.

In the beginning Wikileaks appeared to be a ground breaking website. But now I have two problems with it:

1. I'm not sure releasing a list of crucial American targets ever had any public interest, and obviously has potential to cause serious problems.

2. Contrary to Assange's original assertions, Wikileaks has now become a cult of personality. Wikileaks has *become* Assange. I hope this guys self interest isn't interfering with the site.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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Is your mrs not Swedish? Can she not provide you with an accurate interpretation of the allegations and usual sentence for such crimes?

I have heard that the allegations are for crimes which do no usually carry a custodial sentence, which is inconsistent with your assertion that they are serious sexual offences.

Fair enough, depends upon what you consider serious, I suppose.

Does anyone have a link to what specific crimes (Act and section of the applicable Swedish law) he is suspected of contravening and I'll get a translation of what that equates to in English law.?

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