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Warning Issued Over Mass Fingerprinting Of School Children

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Warning Issued Over Mass Fingerprinting Of School Children

Steve Watson

Prisonplanet.com

Wednesday, Dec 15th, 2010

'The European Commission has warned that children in British schools are being mandated to submit their biometric information and being issued with “unique pupil numbers” with no oversight whatsoever.

The Commission has asked the British government to justify the practice of taking children’s fingerprints, which has become commonplace in schools all over the country.

The overriding concern, says the Commission, is that parents are not being allowed legal redress, and that the process violates European privacy laws.

“We should be obliged if you could provide us with additional information both regarding the processing of the biometric data of minors in schools, with particular reference to the proportionality and necessity in the light of the legitimate aims sought to be achieved, and the issue concerning the availability of judicial redress,” says a letter from the Commission acquired by The London Telegraph.

“There are significant concerns that the compulsory fingerprinting of children for these purposes is against the EU data protection directive,” said a commission official.

In 2007, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that the British government had long been engaged in a back door program to collect the fingerprints of children in schools all over the country, in the majority of cases without the knowledge of parents.

The data suggested that a further 4.9 million sets of prints would be taken after the vast majority of local education authorities sanctioned the practice.

Then earlier this year it was revealed that one in three secondary schools in the UK is now forcing children to swipe their fingerprints just to register in class, get their lunch or take out library books.

A North London school was revealed to have literally “frogmarched” pupils to get their prints taken and was forced to apologise after irate parents complained that they had not been consulted on the matter at all.

In one case, a man in Scotland was refused permission to bring the matter to court, and was informed by the UK Information Commissioner’s Office that schools do not require parental permission to fingerprint pupils.

After the general election in May, the incoming Education Secretary Michael Grove pledged to ban schools from fingerprinting pupils unless they first sought and obtained explicit parental permission. However, the practice continues unobstructed.

There are also no specific British laws governing the recording of other biometric information such as iris scans.

It is often the case that EU interference in sovereign British law is seen as extremely unwelcome, yet in this case worried parents and teachers have expressed support:

“I believe the fingerprinting of children is a totally unnecessary infringement of civil liberties,” he said. “The legal situation must be looked at. This is being done surreptitiously without parents being told.” said Hank Roberts, member of the executive of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers.

Critics say it is part of a ‘softening-up’ exercise to condition children to accept a creeping surveillance society. They also point to the danger of identity theft, if hackers manage to access school databases.

“This is an abrogation of moral duty. Schools should be teaching children to look after their biometric information.” Phil Booth, of the NO2ID campaign has said.

“They are going to grow up in a world where keeping it secure is enormously important, yet they are being taught that it is OK to hand it over for the most trivial of matters. It is a disgrace.”'

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If I had kids and I discovered that their school was taking my kids' fingerprints without my knowledge and consent, I would be ABSOLUTELY FEKKN LIVID.

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A friend of mine recieved a letter from school saying that the children needed to give their finger prints for security access for school, so she thought it tooth and nail with another parent and won, but it was only two families that stood up :unsure:

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What I can't understand is why parents don't object? Or do the schools take the prints without parental consent?

What could you object about?

It's a way of kids not having their school dinner money robbed, encourages budgeting and makes the line go quicker?

I'm sure they use the data responsibly and don't use it for anything else.

(Am fairly certain it's just one print anyway)

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What I can't understand is why parents don't object? Or do the schools take the prints without parental consent?

My friends were informed, but in York where I live they have been taking them without consent. Scum.

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What could you object about?

It's a way of kids not having their school dinner money robbed, encourages budgeting and makes the line go quicker?

I'm sure they use the data responsibly and don't use it for anything else.

(Am fairly certain it's just one print anyway)

Well done, you've just given away your childrens identity to anyone who can get access.

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Well done, you've just given away your childrens identity to anyone who can get access.

He's on facebook - he's done that himself by choice.

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My friends were informed, but in York where I live they have been taking them without consent. Scum.

Isn't that against Human Rights Legislation, or, at least Data Protection?

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If I had kids and I discovered that their school was taking my kids' fingerprints without my knowledge and consent, I would be ABSOLUTELY FEKKN LIVID.

... so you would do what about it?

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Could I just say:

If you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear...

Except corruption.

I stand by "If you've done nothing wrong then it's none of their business."

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What could you object about?

It's a way of kids not having their school dinner money robbed, encourages budgeting and makes the line go quicker?

I'm sure they use the data responsibly and don't use it for anything else.

(Am fairly certain it's just one print anyway)

Yeah, get they to have sex with the teachers was well. They'll get to enjoy it, so why not?

Could I just say:

If you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear...

Except corruption.

if you have done nothing wrong, why do you have to hand over your fingerprints?

... so you would do what about it?

Refuse. Even the Police cannot force you to give your fingerprints.

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Fingerprints are nothing as they can change over time during childhood not much but with such high levels of crime perpetrated by children it can be hard to catch the offenders so personally I dont care too much about the state using fingerprints in the national fingerprint database if thats the ultimate aim. My only gripe is why the state cant just come out and say so though instead of doing it in secret as it raises suspicions and doesnt look good imo if they are actually doing this.

Secrecy breeds mistrust.

More criminals should be worried about the DNA database though, becuase once one relatives DNA is in the database if you then comit a crime and a DNA sample is found then you can be tracked down as your DNA will have similiarities to your relatives DNA (unless they are not a blood relative) as seen in countless places like this example.

http://www.dna-testing-adviser.com/Relative-Finder.html

Plus DNA evidence can be riddled with errors. Quite apart from the problem of human chimeras there is also the PCR method which can give widely varying results particularly when used on small samples of DNA. I read an article in New Scientist recently where they showed that different labs interpreted the same data in different ways which could have been used to convict innocent people. There are many innocent people languishing in jails as a result of flawed DNA evidence. It is not foolproof by a long shot.

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And to my certain knowledge, Facebook don't take fingerprints.huh.gif

oops....sounds like i was conned by somebody who called at my door

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Bump! With the rise of the 'Millennial' drones, are we not the ones to blame for allowing our children to be indoctrinated into a system where fingerprints are taken for something as trivial as lunch. And why are we not standing up to smart meters! If it was for our benefit why is British Gas so desperate to hook my home up to constant control of my energy usage through variable peak pricing and instant disconnection. Why would anyone sign up to any of this stuff? We really are a bunch of plebs!

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8 minutes ago, OurDayWillCome said:

Why would anyone sign up to any of this stuff?

Beats me, but I say that about the way most things have changed throughout my lifetime. All I can come up with is anything that's seen as marginally more easy and convenient (or just sounds high tech) gets lapped up.

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4 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Beats me, but I say that about the way most things have changed throughout my lifetime. All I can come up with is anything that's seen as marginally more easy and convenient (or just sounds high tech) gets lapped up.

Or in the case of smart meters, cuts cost. Once these are installed, then there is no need for meter readers.  The data gets beamed straight to the matrix 

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15 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Or in the case of smart meters, cuts cost. Once these are installed, then there is no need for meter readers.  The data gets beamed straight to the matrix 

I also recall that this is a government lead scheme based upon an EU climate change recommendation. Make us more aware of energy usage, followed by penalising us through peak-time usage tariffs to reduce consumption. Can't really see a carrot but just a beating stick and yet everyone seems quite happy to sign up to anything these days.

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1 minute ago, OurDayWillCome said:

I also recall that this is a government lead scheme based upon an EU climate change recommendation. Make us more aware of energy usage, followed by penalising us through peak-time usage tariffs to reduce consumption. Can't really see a carrot but just a beating stick and yet everyone seems quite happy to sign up to anything these days.

Currently I'm ignoring the letters.  Hopefully we will have exited before this can be used against us. 

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