cashinmattress Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Link A leaked memo penned by Britain's top official Sir Gus O'Donnell which recommended the government has fiscal stimulus plans in reserve has led the Treasury to claim their is no plan B if austerity fails.The government sought to underline its commitment to radical fiscal retrenchment with the Treasury claiming that while it has considered what could knock the recovery off course it has not looked at policy alternatives to tackle that scenario. O'Donnell had recommended alternatives were examined but a Treasury spokesperson said: 'Ministers have not asked for any advice on alternative approaches because we are very clear that our approach for the economy is the right one.' No plan B. We on the forum know this, but it should be entertaining to watch DC or NC talk their way out of this one. Despair though, it's a real issue. There is no money left and we aren't competitive as a nation, beyond laundering money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SarahBell Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I suspect The UK's plan b should be: get energy self-sufficient (Stop laughing at the back!) get food self-sufficient get water self-sufficient. Lock the doors and don't let any buggers in. (And kick any chavvy yobs out we can in the name of overseas education) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ruffneck Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 So far as i see it the UK has two options whilst under the fiscal control of Mervyn King. Plan A = Print Money Plan B = Print Money Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swissy_fit Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I suspect The UK's plan b should be: get energy self-sufficient (Stop laughing at the back!) get food self-sufficient get water self-sufficient. Lock the doors and don't let any buggers in. (And kick any chavvy yobs out we can in the name of overseas education) Are you advocating reducing the population by about 50%? I guess it would make the other points easier to achieve. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopGun Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Are you advocating reducing the population by about 50%? I guess it would make the other points easier to achieve. That's a big elephant in the room, that's also bright pink, covered in yellow spots and listening to loud rap music. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tallguy Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I suspect The UK's plan b should be: get energy self-sufficient (Stop laughing at the back!) get food self-sufficient get water self-sufficient. Lock the doors and don't let any buggers in. (And kick any chavvy yobs out we can in the name of overseas education) In terms of being sustainably self-sufficient,we are about 70% overpopulated.Not a chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrFlibble Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 So far as i see it the UK has two options whilst under the fiscal control of Mervyn King. Plan A = Print Money Plan B = Print Money Ain't that the truth. It's worked before it will work again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SarahBell Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Are you advocating reducing the population by about 50%? I guess it would make the other points easier to achieve. I'd reckon on reducing it pretty quick by banning any shite TV - anything that requires you to join in by ringing up to vote for anything. Banned. Celebs banned and shot if they contine. "heat/shallow lives/look/" magazines all cancelled. I reckon the chavs would leave voluntarily if they were deprived of their celeb fix. HOW many people watched that xfactor thing? Too many. People are having their brains removed through their eyes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red11 Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I suspect The UK's plan b should be: get energy self-sufficient (Stop laughing at the back!) get food self-sufficient get water self-sufficient. Lock the doors and don't let any buggers in. (And kick any chavvy yobs out we can in the name of overseas education) A sensible plan, but I doubt the the treasury can see anything beyond the printing press. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riedquat Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Are you advocating reducing the population by about 50%? I guess it would make the other points easier to achieve. It would be great if that happened, but how on earth are you going to persuade anyone to take that lot? Maybe a slower approach is the only way it'll work - can only vote for the X factor if you've had the snip, something like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichB Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 In terms of being sustainably self-sufficient,we are about 70% overpopulated. Not a chance. Based on what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riedquat Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 There's no need, and it's not sensible to aim for, 100% self-sufficiency in everything. Efficient use of resources involves some countries being able to overproduce food etc., whilst others import (the extreme examples being places like Singapore). National boundaries are generally pretty arbitrary, after all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SarahBell Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 There's no need, and it's not sensible to aim for, 100% self-sufficiency in everything. Efficient use of resources involves some countries being able to overproduce food etc., whilst others import (the extreme examples being places like Singapore). National boundaries are generally pretty arbitrary, after all. Yes that coast line is a stupid idea for a border Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrPin Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Yes that coast line is a stupid idea for a border Made me laugh, and Gold Star for you Sarah! Yes indeed the coast is a good border! 'Many other borders were drawn in an age of imperialism, and it's just where the Belgians, or the German stopped, and such artificial lines are still giving us problems today! Oh dear, this has gone off-topic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LumpHammer Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Based on what? I would like to know this too. My own view is that if ever the time came the UK could be self sufficient in both food and energy, with the exception of vehicle fuel. Even with the inhabitated and infertile parts removed, the average land per person in the UK is roughly ~1/2 an acre. As someone who grew up on a 5 acre smallholding, almost* self sufficient in food for 3 people i appreciate that with 1/2 acre the diet wouldn't be anything fancy - but it would be 'ok'. Many people make economical assesments of self-sufficiency based on our current consumption and decide that self sufficiency is not economical. We shouldn't forget that the need to be self sufficient usually arises at a time when consumption decreases and domestic labour effectively becomes cheaper. I'm not proposing that the UK will require self-sufficiency in the near future, but if we did i think it is possible. Regards *through choice, not necessity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riedquat Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Yes that coast line is a stupid idea for a border Don't forget that Northern Ireland is part of the UK, and various other parts of the UK are islands in their own right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RufflesTheGuineaPig Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I suspect The UK's plan b should be: => get energy self-sufficient (Stop laughing at the back!) => get food self-sufficient => get water self-sufficient. => Lock the doors and don't let any buggers in. We have plenty of water and aren't importing any! Food could be resolved by a change in diet for everyone... less meat more fish/grain. Energy is simply an issue of ignoring the land lobby.. there is enough potential hydro in scotland to power europe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bogbrush Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 Link No plan B. We on the forum know this, but it should be entertaining to watch DC or NC talk their way out of this one. Despair though, it's a real issue. There is no money left and we aren't competitive as a nation, beyond laundering money. How can anyone have a Plan B which is the opposite of Plan A? Such a strategy is plain ridiculous. Far better to force the committment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
interestrateripoff Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 To be fair their is no Austerity so their is no Plan A. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SarahBell Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 We have plenty of water and aren't importing any! Food could be resolved by a change in diet for everyone... less meat more fish/grain. Energy is simply an issue of ignoring the land lobby.. there is enough potential hydro in scotland to power europe. Did you see the drought issues this year? And that's without growing much water intensive crops. The SE is always moaning they don't have enough water. Scotland could sort themselves out if they did that -and be a stand alone country. So hey don't they? Cos their mps are sucking the life out of England first Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Relaxation Suite Posted December 15, 2010 Report Share Posted December 15, 2010 I suspect The UK's plan b should be: get energy self-sufficient (Stop laughing at the back!) get food self-sufficient get water self-sufficient. Lock the doors and don't let any buggers in. (And kick any chavvy yobs out we can in the name of overseas education) A study was commissioned to determine the maximum population for Britain in terms of self-sufficiency and the figure they came up with was 30 million. The last time Britain had a population of 30 million was about 1880. Britain cannot be self-sufficient. Britain must import. This arrangement worked well while it had free trade with resources countries like Canada and Australia, but when the Traitor Heath incorporated Britain into the EU without a referendum, this ended. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Constable Posted December 16, 2010 Report Share Posted December 16, 2010 To be fair their is no Austerity so their is no Plan A. Exactly. 'still running a massive budget deficit and no attempt to reduce the debt. Plan A was to print money, devalue and create inflation. The new govt. just modified the plan to reduce spending slightly. Plan B is just is a reversion to pure Plan A, so it should really be called Plan A2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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