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Doctors shocked by spread of swine flu – and its severity

H1N1 virus returns, already claiming lives of 10 British adults with early signs that illness has spread to other European countries

By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor

Saturday, 11 December 2010

The Swine flu virus that swept the world last year causing a global health emergency has returned to claim the lives of 10 adults in the UK in the past six weeks

The swine flu virus that swept the world last year causing a global health emergency has returned to claim the lives of 10 adults in the UK in the past six weeks.

The 10 deaths were in younger adults under 65 and associated with H1N1 swine flu. Most had underlying conditions but "a small proportion" were healthy before being struck down by the virus, according to the Health Protection Agency (HPA).

Seasonal flu normally causes severe illness and death in the elderly. The H1N1 swine flu virus targets pregnant women, younger adults, and those with chronic conditions, making it a cause of particular alarm.

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No other similar reports of deaths linked with swine flu have been received from elsewhere in Europe. Official figures show GP consultations for flu-like illness in England were at 13.3 per 100,000 population last week, well below baseline levels.

Flu experts expressed surprise at the relatively high incidence of deaths and severe illness in the context of the low consultation rates. John Watson, head of respiratory diseases at the Health Protection Agency, said: "We seem to be in the vanguard on this. Other European countries are just beginning to see some H1N1 activity."

Calls to NHS Direct and other indicators show there is "quite a lot" of H1N1 swine flu about, despite the low GP consultation rate.

Around 30 per cent of those who fell ill, went to their GP and got tested for the virus, were coming up positive for H1N1, which was a high rate. Flu was very difficult to predict, Dr Watson added. "I am a little surprised to see as much activity as we seem to be seeing – both in terms of its spread in the community and its severity. I don't see it as being extraordinary but it is more than I would have expected."

All parts of the country are affected with deaths reported from each region, according to the HPA. There were nine flu outbreaks last week, eight in schools and one in an army barracks in Yorkshire.

Pressure has been building on intensive care in recent days with the worst affected patients treated on Extra-Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) machines which bypass the lungs to artificially oxygenate the blood. "A good many intensive care units are seeing severely ill cases including some using ECMO beds," Dr Watson said.

Swine flu arrived last year from Mexico creating the first flu pandemic for 40 years. In the UK, the first wave of the pandemic struck in the summer - unusually for flu – followed by a second smaller wave before Christmas.

Dr Watson said: "A lot of people were infected through the two waves of the last pandemic. We estimate something like two-thirds of children and a half of adults are likely to have been infected even though they may have had no symptoms.

"We wouldn't anticipate a big epidemic wave of flu activity due to H1N1 this year. "But there are still a substantial number of people who remain susceptible."

Many who caught swine flu last year suffered only minor illness but a small number were severely ill. There were 494 deaths in the year to April 2010.

The fear among flu experts is that the virus could mutate to cause more severe illness or target a different section of the population such as the elderly who are more vulnerable.

But laboratory analysis has shown that the circulating strain of the virus is "very much the same" as last year and has not shown "any significant change", according to the HPA.

Five of the 10 adults who died for whom information was available had not received the flu vaccine, the HPA said. National figures show vaccination rates are lower than in previous years covering 66 per cent of the over-65s and 40 per cent of younger adults at risk (pregnant women and those with chronic diseases such as asthma).

Professor David Salisbury, director of immunisation at the Department of Health said: "These figures demonstrate that the effects of flu are not to be underestimated. It is not the same as getting a cold and can seriously affect your health.

"The seasonal flu jab protects against the dominant strains – this year it protects against three types of flu, including the type known as swine flu. If you are in a risk group, then I would urge you to visit your GP surgery and get the vaccination as soon as possible. It is not too late to get vaccinated for your protection and that of your family."

In addition to H1N1 swine flu, which has become the dominant Influenza A virus in Britain, about 40 per cent of virus strains isolated this winter are Influenza B, which is most common in children, causes mostly mild illness, and has been responsible for several outbreaks in schools in recent weeks.

The last year in which it caused widespread illness was 2005-6. "There is plenty of B about," Dr Watson said.

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to claim the lives of 10 adults in the UK in the past six weeks

How does that compare to the first wave?

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This year's flu vaccine contained H1N1 protection, so it shouldn't be as bad.

Would it still protect against a slightly mutated version?

More details needed about who have died and what underlying health conditions they have.

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Would it still protect against a slightly mutated version?

More details needed about who have died and what underlying health conditions they have.

No idea about mutations. I've been fighting a flu/urti for 3 - 4 weeks now and on 2nd lot of antibiotics. It all started the week after my flu jab.....blink.gif

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No idea about mutations. I've been fighting a flu/urti for 3 - 4 weeks now and on 2nd lot of antibiotics. It all started the week after my flu jab.....blink.gif

Not alone. All six adults in this family have had a dose of some nasty upper respiratory infection, but it's NOT the flu. No real fever, nasty cough. My wife finally went to the doctor who said there was "something nasty" going around. The doc took samples, the results confirmed it wasn't viral (at least, not in the set they test against, including H1N1). Cambridgeshire.

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Not alone. All six adults in this family have had a dose of some nasty upper respiratory infection, but it's NOT the flu. No real fever, nasty cough. My wife finally went to the doctor who said there was "something nasty" going around. The doc took samples, the results confirmed it wasn't viral (at least, not in the set they test against, including H1N1). Cambridgeshire.

Isle of Wight. I actually work for the Island out of hours GP service - you're right. Lots of it around.

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Not alone. All six adults in this family have had a dose of some nasty upper respiratory infection, but it's NOT the flu. No real fever, nasty cough. My wife finally went to the doctor who said there was "something nasty" going around. The doc took samples, the results confirmed it wasn't viral (at least, not in the set they test against, including H1N1). Cambridgeshire.

friend ended up with pleurisy

others had antibiotics for chest infection.

lots of nasty colds at the moment.

atchoo!

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So lots of sex needed to keep up the old immune system then? :)

Thankyou for you advice Doctor Teripoff!

I shall try it immediately! ;)

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Ive had a cracked tooth.

nasty.

got infected.

Amoxicillin has just about got it sorted.

could have died.

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This year's flu vaccine contained H1N1 protection, so it shouldn't be as bad.

I don't think so -

http://preventdisease.com/news/10/121010_no_value_flu_vaccines.shtml

Dr. Viera Scheibner, arguably one of the world's most respected scientists and scholars on vaccine medical data stated from her research and writings on vaccine science and history:: "Ever since the turn of the (last) century, medical journals published dozens and dozens of articles demonstrating that injecting vaccines (can) cause anaphylaxis, meaning harmful, inappropriate immunological responses, which is also called sensitization. (This) increase(s) susceptibility to the disease which the vaccine is supposed to prevent, and to a host of related and other unrelated infections."

"We see it in vaccinated children within days, within two or three weeks. (Most of them) develop runny noses, ear infections, pneumonitis, (and) bronchiolitis. It is only a matter of degrees, which indicates immuno-suppression, (not immunity). It indicates the opposite. So I never use the word immunization because that is false advertising. It implies that vaccines immunize, which they don't. The correct term is either vaccination or sensitization."

In addition, "Vaccines (can) damage internal organs, particularly the pancreas," so everyone vaccinated, including for seasonal flu, is vulnerable to contracting severe "autoimmune diseases like diabetes," Addison's Disease, Arthritis, Asthma, Guillian-Barre Syndrome, Hepatitis, Lou Gehrig's Disease, Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis, Polio, and dozens of others.

Dr. Viera Scheibner, arguably one of the world's most respected scientists and scholars on vaccine medical data stated from her research and writings on vaccine science and history:: "Ever since the turn of the (last) century, medical journals published dozens and dozens of articles demonstrating that injecting vaccines (can) cause anaphylaxis, meaning harmful, inappropriate immunological responses, which is also called sensitization. (This) increase(s) susceptibility to the disease which the vaccine is supposed to prevent, and to a host of related and other unrelated infections."

"We see it in vaccinated children within days, within two or three weeks. (Most of them) develop runny noses, ear infections, pneumonitis, (and) bronchiolitis. It is only a matter of degrees, which indicates immuno-suppression, (not immunity). It indicates the opposite. So I never use the word immunization because that is false advertising. It implies that vaccines immunize, which they don't. The correct term is either vaccination or sensitization."

In addition, "Vaccines (can) damage internal organs, particularly the pancreas," so everyone vaccinated, including for seasonal flu, is vulnerable to contracting severe "autoimmune diseases like diabetes," Addison's Disease, Arthritis, Asthma, Guillian-Barre Syndrome, Hepatitis, Lou Gehrig's Disease, Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, Osteoporosis, Polio, and dozens of others.

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Flu comes round every year, several thousand people die of it in the UK, there is nothing to suggest that swine flu is particularly harmful or virulent; rather the opposite.

I like the bit about it being alarming because it attacks the young and pregnant women. So flu is OK if it only kills old people?

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Flu comes round every year, several thousand people die of it in the UK, there is nothing to suggest that swine flu is particularly harmful or virulent; rather the opposite.

I like the bit about it being alarming because it attacks the young and pregnant women. So flu is OK if it only kills old people?

Yup, seen the pension figures?

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It`s all b@llox. The flu kills people anyway, you`re not injecting your crap into me. I`ll take my chances.

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Last time round you very particulalry vociferous that this was going to get us then. It didn't. It actually took less than average seasonal flu and did noting more than give the workshy a few weeks off work and allow someone to cash in on Tamiflu.

There was no last time, this is the same flu. Flu is always multi seasonal and only disappears when the majority of the population is immune, it will keep coming back until then. It can also mutate, although it usually becomes milder. Even the first year was trivial it still killed more economically active people than 9/11.

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Ah, a quote from a doctor who retired 23 years ago and according to wikipedia "A great number of Doctors, Scientists, Legal professionals and other critics have questioned her qualifications, research abilities, and honesty"

If you make a quote, please add a disclaimer that the person has been accused of being a liar.

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I like the bit about it being alarming because it attacks the young and pregnant women. So flu is OK if it only kills old people?

Yeah absolutely. Of course it's not nice for anyone who dies from it, but it's very hard to say "ah well they had a long life" about younger people.

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To add some perspective:

According to the Hine report there were 457 deaths related to swine flu in the 2009 UK outbreak

In 2009 around 2300 people died in traffic accidents in the UK

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Serioulsy, read last year's flu thread and in particular your posts. I don't know you, so it's in no way a personal attack, but your words with the benefit of hindsight have a distinct air or scaremongering, doomsaying and I'm sorry to say, but also a hell of a lot of things that just didn't even nearly come true.

Sounds like you're having another punt this year. Everyone knows that flu mutates, so if you say it every year, one day you'll be right.

No one doubts that influenza is a very nasty virus, but it's nothing new.

I completely stand by what i said and referring to Swine flu discussion as 'hindsight' demonstrates that you do not understand it at all. The Swine flu epidemic is still ongoing and will not finish until there is general immunity. I stand by my opinion that people like you are dangerous fools.

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