Papa Serf Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 So the Gulf stream would shut off causing huge amounts of ice to form at the artic, would this turn the gulf stream back on again? I assume the waters from the GOM would want to go somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Off topic alright, more like yesterday’s news My last post on desal had it the wrong way round. But I have a brain wave we could reverse the reverse osmosis process and end up with the natural process of osmosis with energy as the by product. We could feed fresh water into the back end of the plant, shovel in salt, and the osmosis process will force the pumps to generate power back into the grid and salt water will spew back out into the sea. Patent ? Ur too late - its already been done by us clever Europeans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmotic_power Keep trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel in w9 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Is there anyone posting on this topic who TRULY understands the Gulf stream, and how it works? Just wondering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Because of the money and access to cheap TCN's. Too true. The climate is nice though - going to a beach party at 3pm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Is there anyone posting on this topic who TRULY understands the Gulf stream, and how it works? Just wondering? I dont think there are any great mysteries about oceanic circulation. I have no doubt Fluffy could explain in detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel in w9 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Oh so this really wasn't a serious thread. I suspect it's a bit more complex than "oceanic circulation". My husband did warn me that the majority of the posters on this site were of the "Little England" mentality. As an American I never really understood the phrase, but now I think I understand. Ciao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Dont you miss Brokeback Allotment ? I keep my hand in. I have an old bath in the yard which I grow spinach and rocket in. Also got some melons, courgettes, and tomatoes on the go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Oh so this really wasn't a serious thread. I suspect it's a bit more complex than "oceanic circulation". My husband did warn me that the majority of the posters on this site were of the "Little England" mentality. As an American I never really understood the phrase, but now I think I understand. Ciao. Well there is no great mystery. Its not difficult to go out and measure ocean current speeds, temperature, and salinity. Perhaps it is for yanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Oh so this really wasn't a serious thread. I suspect it's a bit more complex than "oceanic circulation". My husband did warn me that the majority of the posters on this site were of the "Little England" mentality. As an American I never really understood the phrase, but now I think I understand. Ciao. Hello Mrs. Bubb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 You obviously take this whole MMGW threat seriously based on the conviction of your scientific knowledge, That is good place to be and I wouldn’t condemn it for a moment. The only thing I would say based on your point is that in the real world it is the warmists that are forcing their agenda, not the coolists. As witnessed by the dramatic restrictions on coal use: Or possibly not. To be honest, I strongly suspect that the current round of talks will lead to some window dressing, pretty words and no concrete action. And this state of affairs will continue for at least the next decade, probably longer. On the plus side, this means I'm going to be able to say 'I told you so' to a LOT of internet people. On the other plus side, a fair chunk of the City of London could end up under water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel in w9 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Well I am not likely to tramp out into the sea and measure the current speed. Besides I live in London, its a bit far. I didn't mean to offend with the Little Englander comment. Is it offensive? I am not sure if Mrs. Bubbs is appropriate as my husband is British. I guess I will do my own research on this topic. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Serf Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Well I am not likely to tramp out into the sea and measure the current speed. Besides I live in London, its a bit far. I didn't mean to offend with the Little Englander comment. Is it offensive? I am not sure if Mrs. Bubbs is appropriate as my husband is British. I guess I will do my own research on this topic. Thanks. Typical yank. full of your own importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffneck Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 War = peace Freedom = slavery Cooling = warming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Oh so this really wasn't a serious thread. I suspect it's a bit more complex than "oceanic circulation". My husband did warn me that the majority of the posters on this site were of the "Little England" mentality. As an American I never really understood the phrase, but now I think I understand. Ciao. Yes, there's England (Home of civilization), Cricket Playing Countries (relatively civilized), Rest of the Planet (Uncivilized, possibly foreign), and Wales (Practically French, and we all know what THAT means). Ocean circulation isn't THAT complex. Completely from memory.. Water is warmed in the GOM; this warm water drifts in a surface layer into the North atlantic, with the gyre driven by coriolis forces. It drifts north of the UK and into the arctic, where the formation of sea ice increases ithe salinity of the rest of the water, causing it to sink and hence helping to keep the flow going. This water then flows south at a low level, only upwelling around the coast of Antarctica. Here, the water is chilled even more at the surfaceby sea ice formation, sinks and flows out along the bottom of the ocean. It is highly unlikely at the moment that the Gulf Stream part of this has been disrupted. What could be happening (and this is at the 'uncertain hypothesis' stage) is an interaction with the sharply reduced Arctic sea ice extent. http://www.pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/global-warming-could-cool-down-temperatures-in-winter Or it could just be freak weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsgate Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 A couple of weeks of cold winter weather and suddenly there all these bizarre theories about shifting ocean currents, new Ice Ages, lizards and goodness knows what else. Can't people just accept its a BIT OF COLD WEATHER, and that is all. I remember quite a few properly cold winters, and my dad remembers many a lot We are like primitive people, still reading "omens" into every unusual weather pattern - week-long heatwave = manmade global warming, WE'RE DOOMED! Two weeks of (a couple of feet of) snow, and "its a new ice age, WE'RE DOOMED! Heavy rain, a few hundred houses get flooded = global warming, we can expect VIOLENT WEATHER, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE DOOMED! Grow up and deal with it. People are too short-term in their thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichB Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I dont think there are any great mysteries about oceanic circulation. I have no doubt Fluffy could explain in detail. Not a big fan of chaos theory then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperduck Quack Quack Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 We've had harsh winters before. Just because we've just had a prolonged freeze doesn't mean our climate's going to change! I remember the winter of 1963 when birds died frozen to branches on trees. Anyway, if Britain does start to get colder we know what we need to do - all go out and buy clapped-out old Range Rovers and drive around pumping more CO2 into the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffneck Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I have a strong suspicion Fluffy666 IS Phil Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy666 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I have a strong suspicion Fluffy666 IS Phil Jones. Bet you £10k he isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Hello Mrs. Bubb! Obviously Mrs Bubb hasn't found out what the 'rest' of the World think of the Americans yet? Saw a great quip about Geography lessons, American troops, invasions/wars recently will try to find it. Where are you, you old Greeny - not 'sticking' up for the cause any moor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Not a big fan of chaos theory then? In regard to oceanic circulation no. If you wish to believe the entire planets oceanic circulation changes randomly on the flick of a swordfishes tail fell free Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Not a big fan of chaos theory then? In regard to oceanic circulation no. If you wish to believe the entire planets oceanic circulation changes randomly on the flick of a swordfishes tail feel free Sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barlow Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Obviously Mrs Bubb hasn't found out what the 'rest' of the World think of the Americans yet? Saw a great quip about Geography lessons, American troops, invasions/wars recently will try to find it. Where are you, you old Greeny - not 'sticking' up for the cause any moor? Its a lost cause. Doing my bit out here though. Advancing composting schemes / energy recovereh. We might even be planning wind farms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I have a strong suspicion Fluffy666 IS Phil Jones. Phil-lestine "Hockey-stick" 'J'-ones Masons code for Christ is J-2O/J-O2 (summat like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSG Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Is there anyone posting on this topic who TRULY understands the Gulf stream, and how it works? Just wondering? pfft - being completely ignorant of stuff never stopped the GW thread getting to 300 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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