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If only africa could sort out their wars and corruption they would be up there with the rest of us.

One of the best displays of stats I have ever seen.

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If only africa could sort out their wars and corruption they would be up there with the rest of us.

One of the best displays of stats I have ever seen.

Maybe you don't realise just how profound that statement is.

I had the pleasure of seeing the photographic history from a charity worker returned from the Democratic Republic of Congo.

They dug down a metre from a clearing to create a latrine, but had to promptly fill it in as they unearthed diamonds. The crime of unofficial mining is punished with instant execution.

No questions asked.

The DRC from the graphics is about the poorest per capita country - but it is absolutely brimming with all sorts of mineral wealth.

No wonder that the Chinese have been patiently trying to build cooperative ventures in some parts of Africa for over 50 years - not least building train lines.

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hmmm, averages - typical globalist propaganda.

human lives seen only as gdp and numbers.

Yip. Where's the GINI coefficient then?

Even the PM is trying to conjure up some sort of happiness index, although I'm sure he's fully aware of what the gini is.

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Hardly a coincidence that Happy Hans starts his charts from the early 1800's. Cheap abundant oil has lifted a huge part of the world out of poverty and allowed incredible population growth. Expensive and scarce oil will see that reverse.

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just because people live longer and are richer doesn't mean they are happier

Going by what the folks on here say the UK must be the most depressing country on earth.

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Presumably you mean thank you

* The slave trade

* James Hargeaves/Rickard Arkwright

* Manchester

* Water power

* Social reform

:rolleyes:

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just because people live longer and are richer doesn't mean they are happier

Going by what the folks on here say the UK must be the most depressing country on earth.

:lol:

Its true, many spend hours on forums talking of and evaluating ways of preserving their wealth. It`s a stressful life here in the west. All the time, life is passing by....

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just because people live longer and are richer doesn't mean they are happier

Going by what the folks on here say the UK must be the most depressing country on earth.

Oooh, I know. Living on a dollar a day and dying before you're 40 is sooo much nicer.

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Hardly a coincidence that Happy Hans starts his charts from the early 1800's. Cheap abundant oil has lifted a huge part of the world out of poverty and allowed incredible population growth. Expensive and scarce oil will see that reverse.

Erm, global oil production didn't really take off until 1950. Back in the 1800s it would have been almost too small to measure, even in 1940 you're looking at less than a 10th of what it is today.

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Erm, global oil production didn't really take off until 1950. Back in the 1800s it would have been almost too small to measure, even in 1940 you're looking at less than a 10th of what it is today.

The US oil industry in the 1800s revolutionised their standard of living, and dragged a lot of the western world with it.

Hmm, so oil had a negligible effect in the early 20th century.. I guess all of the planes and tanks of the two world wars were steam powered.

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The US oil industry in the 1800s revolutionised their standard of living, and dragged a lot of the western world with it.

Have you got anything to back that up? As far as I can see oil didn't really become important until the use of the internal combustion engine became widespread, which was well into the 20th century.

Hmm, so oil had a negligible effect in the early 20th century.. I guess all of the planes and tanks of the two world wars were steam powered.

Where to start?

Your post implied that oil was vital in the early 19th century, in reality it seems to have been fairly unimportant until the mid 20th century.

The planes and tanks were fueled by oil but the trains, ships, tractors and factory machinery (i.e. the things that improved rather than destroyed life) were all steam powered.

Also the biggest advances were in the UK, which last time I checked is not sitting on huge reserves of cheap oil.

So if anything the real source of the advance was cheap coal rather than cheap oil.

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Also the biggest advances were in the UK, which last time I checked is not sitting on huge reserves of cheap oil.

Yes we were. The fact that it was in what should have been somebody else's country didn't stop us back in those days. BP used to be called the Anglo Iranian Oil Company.

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Hardly a coincidence that Happy Hans starts his charts from the early 1800's. Cheap abundant oil has lifted a huge part of the world out of poverty and allowed incredible population growth. Expensive and scarce oil will see that reverse.

The oil was there for millennia, but underutilised. Progress was brought by the enlightenment/science/industrial revolution/liberal democracies.

I agree that energy is a key input though, but we have already found many alternative sources, though they are all more expensive than oil, at present, including nuclear. But costs are coming down on an annual basis. Life and progress will go on. Don't worry. Unless worrying makes you happy, and IF this is case, then worry away. ( But you shouldn't try to drag others down with you - even if this makes you happy. )

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hmmm, averages - typical globalist propaganda.

human lives seen only as gdp and numbers.

C'mon Pole, those "numbers" are life expectancy, a very good indicator for health.

Progress does exist, and even the poor today live much better than before. And this trend should continue. Could it be faster? Of course. But at least it is going in the right direction. Protectionism and/or socialism would surely make things worse.

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C'mon Pole, those "numbers" are life expectancy, a very good indicator for health.

Progress does exist, and even the poor today live much better than before. And this trend should continue. Could it be faster? Of course. But at least it is going in the right direction. Protectionism and/or socialism would surely make things worse.

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Indeed, and there is no reason why things can't continue to get better. We may "murder to dissect" the qualitative meaning of individual lives with statistical averages but what else is there to measure?

BTW, i see google now publish comparable tables of public data, here. Also Rosling did a TED talk on these same stats, well worth looking up.

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C'mon Pole, those "numbers" are life expectancy, a very good indicator for health.

Progress does exist, and even the poor today live much better than before. And this trend should continue. Could it be faster? Of course. But at least it is going in the right direction. Protectionism and/or socialism would surely make things worse.

I didn't criticise the statistical dataset. I objected to how it was used to promote the globalist agenda.

Pay attention to what he says at the end of the video:

"We have become an entirely new converging world. And I see a clear trend into the future. With aid, trade, green technology and peace, it's fully possible that everyone can make it to the healthy wealthy corner!"

Never heard such rubbish in my life.

As history shows the wealth of this and many other nations was created not through aid but through restrictions, not through trade but through theft, not through green technology but through burning oil and not through peace but through war.

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I didn't criticise the statistical dataset. I objected to how it was used to promote the globalist agenda.

Pay attention to what he says at the end of the video:

"We have become an entirely new converging world. And I see a clear trend into the future. With aid, trade, green technology and peace, it's fully possible that everyone can make it to the healthy wealthy corner!"

Never heard such rubbish in my life.

As history shows the wealth of this and many other nations was created not through aid but through restrictions, not through trade but through theft, not through green technology but through burning oil and not through peace but through war.

Of course there are too many injustices and violence still in the world, but it was even worse before. 200 years ago the real quality of life for the vast majority of the population was even worse than nowadays. We are progressing. This is evident. Of course it could be faster, and fairer, but all other attempted systems were much worse than our liberal market democracies. Of course it is not perfect, but it much better than any other system.

Edit: BTW, if you are interested in Global development, this past decade witnessed the biggest reduction of world poverty in human history, with almost 2 billion humans lifted out of absolute poverty, mainly thanks to very low interest rates, massive investment in developing countries, mainly China, but BRICs in general, and many others, like Indonesia. Our troubles in the West are not really important when compared to that.

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Of course there are too many injustices and violence still in the world, but it was even worse before. 200 years ago the real quality of life for the vast majority of the population was even worse than nowadays. We are progressing. This is evident. Of course it could be faster, and fairer, but all other attempted systems were much worse than our liberal market democracies. Of course it is not perfect, but it much better than any other system.

Edit: BTW, if you are interested in Global development, this past decade witnessed the biggest reduction of world poverty in human history, with almost 2 billion humans lifted out of absolute poverty, mainly thanks to very low interest rates, massive investment in developing countries, mainly China, but BRICs in general, and many others, like Indonesia. Our troubles in the West are not really important when compared to that.

Totally agree with you.

All I'm saying is that this dataset is followed by an ultra optimistic prognosis in which I don't believe.

I agree that we progressed in some areas but I'm not sure that it's sustainable with all the new policies that globalists have been introducing. As you said it was all built purely on cheap credit and mindless consumption of products made by slaves from poor countries (who now live a little longer).

I guess we can only wait and see.

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