Scott Sando Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SarahBell Report post Posted December 3, 2010 $10 toaster????????? shiny.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hedgefunded Report post Posted December 3, 2010 All very nice, very 'Alex Jones', and then they go and ruin it with 'May God bless the republic'. Religion in the USA is probably a bigger evil than consumerism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Papa Serf Report post Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) All very nice, very 'Alex Jones', and then they go and ruin it with 'May God bless the republic'. Religion in the USA is probably a bigger evil than consumerism. I used to love America (mainly due to all the TV programs) when I was a kid now I despise it. The holier than thou, god fearing, selfish and greedy attitude that exists just under the surface. Thinking they are the global police spreading good and fighting wars for their freedom. I could go on... Edited December 3, 2010 by Papa Serf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pauly_Boy Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Lets be honest here, the UK is just as bad. There are so many greedy, selfish and yet expectent people in this country who have little respect for the life and objects they possess, i'm sure alot of people actually look forward to there parents dying so they can fritter away the inheritance! They're never happy with what they have, they always want MORE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
50sQuiff Report post Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) I used to love America (mainly due to all the TV programs) when I was a kid now I despise it. The holier than thou, god fearing, selfish and greedy attitude that exists just under the surface. Thinking they are the global police spreading good and fighting wars for their freedom. I could go on... Sneering tales of ignorant, godfearing flyover states. Red-carpet crowd televised garbage. Crackpot neocon military adventurism. Wall Street financial rape and pillaging. Plenty to chew on and dislike, no doubt. But when I visit my OH's family in the US, what I experience is a strong, peaceful, safe, genuine community of people, the likes of which I've never seen in the UK in my short lifetime. When I met the folks for the first time I got introduced to the neighbours ffs! It's why I still look forward to moving there one day. Sure, they might have a lot of c*nts, but at least they're not ALL c*nts like us Brits. I can't bear the thought of raising kids in the UK anyway. Edited December 3, 2010 by 50sQuiff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyracantha Report post Posted December 3, 2010 All very nice, very 'Alex Jones', and then they go and ruin it with 'May God bless the republic'. Religion in the USA is probably a bigger evil than consumerism. Is there a "control-alt-delete" reboot we can use? Or is there no soft restart option? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okaycuckoo Report post Posted December 3, 2010 But when I visit my OH's family in the US, what I experience is a strong, peaceful, safe, genuine community of people, the likes of which I've never seen in the UK in my short lifetime. When I met the folks for the first time I got introduced to the neighbours ffs! It's why I still look forward to moving there one day. Sure, they might have a lot of c*nts, but at least they're not ALL c*nts like us Brits. I can't bear the thought of raising kids in the UK anyway. That's my experience of the US as well - generous and civilised. The crazy stuff, like gun crime, is mostly the mark of a free society where state bureaucracy can't reach. I get why people hate the military reach of the US, but without it things would probably be worse. And their banks? They're ours! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pole Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Sneering tales of ignorant, godfearing flyover states. Red-carpet crowd televised garbage. Crackpot neocon military adventurism. Wall Street financial rape and pillaging. Plenty to chew on and dislike, no doubt. But when I visit my OH's family in the US, what I experience is a strong, peaceful, safe, genuine community of people, the likes of which I've never seen in the UK in my short lifetime. When I met the folks for the first time I got introduced to the neighbours ffs! It's why I still look forward to moving there one day. Sure, they might have a lot of c*nts, but at least they're not ALL c*nts like us Brits. I can't bear the thought of raising kids in the UK anyway. +1 Many people in the UK are ignorant how brilliant and peaceful life can be for many average folk in the USA. Maybe it's because the UK media are brainwashing the nation into thinking that only those with money&fame can be truly happy, whereas things like family, community, love, faith, hope, peacefulness and friendship are so passe... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris25 Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Great vid. The "God bless America" bit I don't mind. Like it or hate it Christianity built our civilisation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pole Report post Posted December 3, 2010 and ruin it with 'May God bless the republic'. Religion in the USA is probably a bigger evil than consumerism. Luckily, the UK society is less evil by rejecting God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Congreve Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Mind you, a $198 laptop, that's great value, get out my f4cking way peons, I've got first dibs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualSuspect Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Man alive ! Some of those people are in delight at the chaos going on around them. Mind you, as other people have noted, the Yanks I've met are pretty sound, down to earth people who are so polite and generous it makes my cynicism just melt away. Lovely people on the whole. I suspect that there is some ulterior motive here though, because to my mind, watching that video, particularly towards the end there was a certain sense of 'We know more than you'... 'We are prepared', rather than a belief that they should help to build a better society. I suspect that this kind of video appeals to people with a superiority complex as it seems to judge people very harshly, rather than pitifully. In some respects, it reinforces the idea that they have of the 'bankers', as the makers of the film show the same contempt towards people buying $10 toasters as those they accuse of profiting from it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Take Me Back To London! Report post Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) Another great video from SGTbull07. Things are really going down the pan in the USA. The shopping scenes are reminiscent of George A .Romero's 1978 film Dawn of the Dead. Edited December 3, 2010 by Take Me Back To London! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ken_ichikawa Report post Posted December 3, 2010 I suspect that there is some ulterior motive here though, because to my mind, watching that video, particularly towards the end there was a certain sense of 'We know more than you'... 'We are prepared', rather than a belief that they should help to build a better society Why should we build a better society? Somebody will only tear it down again. Such societies are built around survival of the weakest. Much like owning a decent car, I've owned 2 decent cars, and lots of bangers. You own a good car? People kick the panels in and key the car to hell. As if they can't have it neither can you. Heinlein parodies this expertly in the moon in a harsh mistress. The Loonies win their freedom and then the loonies start to make laws which mirror those of the people they freed themselves from. Hell WWII proved this exactly, the veterans went out to fight against a fascist totalitarian state, they then went home and set up their own fascist totalitarian states. Peopleby and large WANT a fascist totalitarian state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheUsualSuspect Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Why should we build a better society? Somebody will only tear it down again. Such societies are built around survival of the weakest. Much like owning a decent car, I've owned 2 decent cars, and lots of bangers. You own a good car? People kick the panels in and key the car to hell. As if they can't have it neither can you. Heinlein parodies this expertly in the moon in a harsh mistress. The Loonies win their freedom and then the loonies start to make laws which mirror those of the people they freed themselves from. Hell WWII proved this exactly, the veterans went out to fight against a fascist totalitarian state, they then went home and set up their own fascist totalitarian states. Peopleby and large WANT a fascist totalitarian state. Well it was a minor part of my post, but I assumed people generally want things to be better. As I said in the earlier part of my post, most Americans are really great people to be around. I've met the beer-addled veterans, the quiet-retiring pensioners and the cut-and-thrust business types. They've all, without exception proved to be an interesting type of people who have an underlying sense of generosity and spirit. I just think that you can build a better society based around that cultural core. What is so wrong with that proposal ? If people are fed the downside of humanity and fed a mush of selfish acquisition rather than belonging to a community then firstly I feel sorrow secondly I believe people exposed to such things will gain a perception that things only get worse. The video above is, to me, an example of such downside reinforcement propaganda. As you mention fascism, I would agree that America is wandering into a fascist state, but isolation of oneself from community is no help in such situations. Western Russian peasants were self-reliant people until the war-machine rolled up on their doorsteps. No amount of self-reliance and individuality saved people from wanton violence perpetuated by a machine that had lost all sense of reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pole Report post Posted December 3, 2010 dire straits... what a band! and they really rocked live! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meat Puppet Report post Posted December 3, 2010 +1 Many people in the UK are ignorant how brilliant and peaceful life can be for many average folk in the USA. Maybe it's because the UK media are brainwashing the nation into thinking that only those with money&fame can be truly happy, whereas things like family, community, love, faith, hope, peacefulness and friendship are so passe... Pole, I have been really enjoying your posts. These past few weeks especially. Nailing it every time. The media in the US are hard at work as well trying to destroy those communities. I haven't been back in a few years, but I always thought that the rise of the evangelicals there was in part a response to growing consumerism. The other part of the rise, IMO, is the attempt in the south to resist the homogenisation of the US. Which is again led by the media. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Take Me Back To London! Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Why should we build a better society? Somebody will only tear it down again. Such societies are built around survival of the weakest. Peopleby and large WANT a fascist totalitarian state. The first thing that is the name of the game creation and destruction, you can't have one without the other. Many people like to be organised. However, if people desire a facist state why is the DDR still not in exsistance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xux42 Report post Posted December 3, 2010 I used to love America (mainly due to all the TV programs) when I was a kid now I despise it. The holier than thou, god fearing, selfish and greedy attitude that exists just under the surface. Thinking they are the global police spreading good and fighting wars for their freedom. I could go on... I think you mean you despise 'Americans'. America is gorgeous. This is Montana and where you can buy a 3bed property plus a 2000 sq. ft barn and 20acres for £150,000. See the big mountain? 5 miles the other side of them live your nearest neighbours. 15 miles further on is the nearest mall. Luverly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ken_ichikawa Report post Posted December 3, 2010 The first thing that is the name of the game creation and destruction, you can't have one without the other. Many people like to be organised. However, if people desire a facist state why is the DDR still not in exsistance? Just because you change the name to a less unpleasant sounding name does not mean it ceases to exist any more does it? North Korea calls itself a democracy doesn't mean it is though is it? Say 60%+ of Germans don't want the Euro anymore..... will they get it back? Will they hell! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xux42 Report post Posted December 3, 2010 Just because you change the name to a less unpleasant sounding name does not mean it ceases to exist any more does it? North Korea calls itself a democracy doesn't mean it is though is it? Say 60%+ of Germans don't want the Euro anymore..... will they get it back? Will they hell! Of course they want the Euro. Just not one that includes, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy.... Quite honestly I don't understand why the Northern European states aren't working on a separation plan so they can pull up the ladder on the PIIGS. Maybe they are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ken_ichikawa Report post Posted December 3, 2010 I just think that you can build a better society based around that cultural core. What is so wrong with that proposal ? Because such a cultural core does not exist and it is merely a fascade to cover up the skeletons in the closet? If people are fed the downside of humanity and fed a mush of selfish acquisition rather than belonging to a community then firstly I feel sorrow secondly I believe people exposed to such things will gain a perception that things only get worse. That had lost all sense of reason. It isn't a perception that things are getting worse, it is a REALITY that things are getting worse. I mean manchester, we have little beiruit rape city gang banger town etc. Also you seem to reckon I want to be part of this rotten community where anything good you have is stolen or vandalised. For instance I no longer go on bicycle rides anymore, the racist abuse shouted at me by people of ALL ages tends to get me down. Why would I want to be part of that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
right_freds_dead Report post Posted December 4, 2010 Of course they want the Euro. Just not one that includes, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy.... Quite honestly I don't understand why the Northern European states aren't working on a separation plan so they can pull up the ladder on the PIIGS. Maybe they are... a joint currency but without controls on individual state borrowing behavior. what else was going to happen. the dumb states ran up debt and the good ones saved. i cant see how any german could possibly justify losing wealth to pay the debts of a greek society that borrowed to live above its means. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
