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Very interesting to read that "senior Labour figures to complain of their despair (re. Brown) to the (American) embassy".

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He was a terrible politician. But he was better at actually getting things done than any US politician in the past few decades, they are useless and self destructive.

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He was a terrible politician. But he was better at actually getting things done than any US politician in the past few decades, they are useless and self destructive.

Agree, Gordon was a doer alright. Many great leaders in history got down to it and did things. A few names from relatively recent history come to mind, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Mugabe, Sadam....

Sadly, for us and the rest of the world, Gordon did much to indebt our nation and went about encouraging others to do likewise.

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Very dangerous.

That's why I support PR - to make sure fewer things 'get done' and that hopefully policy is better thrashed out (as per the current set up).

Absolutely.

The years with massive majorities stifled discussion and debate in parliament. More laws rushed through because they could.

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al beeba was quick to point out all the doubts the americans had over cameron and co. but not a word on the brown stuff in the news on al beeba. this brown was the most dangerous , mentally unstable politician there was. i am sure he has a stalin like mindset. he is keeping a low profile now coming out to talk about haiti, africa etc. but i am sure he will be 'relaunched' as a humanitarian with the help of bbc and guardianistas.

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Very dangerous.

That's why I support PR - to make sure fewer things 'get done' and that hopefully policy is better thrashed out (as per the current set up).

PR generally results in nothing getting done, period.

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PR generally results in nothing getting done, period.

Agreed, but I think I would rather have had nothing, than what Labour foisted upon us.

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PR generally results in nothing getting done, period.

I'm not sure thats such a bad thing, we need less meddling and manipulation by these people trying to jusify their jobs.

They should just sit back and try to control things that get a bit out of hand.

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PR generally results in nothing getting done, period.

no - it depends on the specific implementation, the Dutch system seems to work very well, for example, whereas, say, the Belgian system is rife with indecision

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Gordon Brown was the worst prime minister we've had in modern times. He took over that trophy from Margaret Thatcher about half-way through his term as PM, with the mishandling of the banking crisis, turning socialism on its head by robbing the taxpayer to bail out the rich capitalists.

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Very interesting to read that "senior Labour figures to complain of their despair (re. Brown) to the (American) embassy".

Agreed. What did these Labour politicians expect the Americans to do about it? Engineer a coupe?

Why were they talking to them about internal political matters anyway? That mystified me about Mervyn King's reported conversation too. Why weren't they sorting these problems out themselves? Fear? Laziness?

If true, these wikileaks show how much in the pocket of the Americans we are. For example, it says after a by-election defeat Nick Brown was despatched to convince the Americans that Brown's power base was still in tact.

Perhaps Brown didn't quite understand the power balance though as he was reportedly pestering them to introduce a Tobin tax which they dismissed.

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Gordon Brown was the worst prime minister we've had in modern times. He took over that trophy from Margaret Thatcher about half-way through his term as PM, with the mishandling of the banking crisis, turning socialism on its head by robbing the taxpayer to bail out the rich capitalists.

He was the golden boy. ( Max Keiser ref. 'Browns Bottom' Documentary) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-11908583

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Agreed. What did these Labour politicians expect the Americans to do about it? Engineer a coupe?

If I had wanted that done, I would have gone to Japan rather than order a Detroit Rust Bucket.

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I'm not sure thats such a bad thing, we need less meddling and manipulation by these people trying to jusify their jobs.

They should just sit back and try to control things that get a bit out of hand.

Agreed. this is why, for my sins, I tend to lean towards the tories.

Conservative = Conserve = keep things the same.

The word I hate the most in the entire universe is "Progressive" Anyone ever stopped to ask where it is politicians wish us to progress to?

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Agreed. What did these Labour politicians expect the Americans to do about it? Engineer a coupe?

Why were they talking to them about internal political matters anyway? That mystified me about Mervyn King's reported conversation too. Why weren't they sorting these problems out themselves? Fear? Laziness?

If true, these wikileaks show how much in the pocket of the Americans we are. For example, it says after a by-election defeat Nick Brown was despatched to convince the Americans that Brown's power base was still in tact.

Perhaps Brown didn't quite understand the power balance though as he was reportedly pestering them to introduce a Tobin tax which they dismissed.

Yes, the Tobin moment was very revealing: "Prime minister Brown continues to press hard … despite being fully aware of US opposition to the tax". Meaning: "We (Americans) said no already no already, why is Brown still talking?? " Like: "No means NO", or "because we said so. Go to your room!" :lol:

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I am beginning to wonder if we might soon owe Brown a BIG apology.

Our stock market is soaring. Sterling is strong.; No jobs have been lost--relative to others who partook in the decade of greed. Our manufacturing is up. Our house prices have not really dropped that much compared with the US, Spain etc. Our bonds prices are stable. Online sales are soaring. Confidence is high.

In fact, I am wondering if, after Crimbo, HPI might take off again as all the indicators are so positive.

Abysmal? On present evidence not at all. The opposite is true. On present evidence.

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I am beginning to wonder if we might soon owe Brown a BIG apology.

Our stock market is soaring. Sterling is strong.; No jobs have been lost--relative to others who partook in the decade of greed. Our manufacturing is up. Our house prices have not really dropped that much compared with the US, Spain etc. Our bonds prices are stable. Online sales are soaring. Confidence is high.

In fact, I am wondering if, after Crimbo, HPI might take off again as all the indicators are so positive.

Abysmal? On present evidence not at all. The opposite is true. On present evidence.

...hardly ...the markets were waiting for Brown to go from late last year and held back from savaging us ...if the Nuliebour 'head in the sand' spending had continued we would be having a visit from the IMF by now....if they could have been bothered with us....judge the current markets in context ....before the real '29 crash the stock market was soaring ...we have kept our exchange rate realistically low and industry with it's cut backs is more efficient having cut it's costs....we just need the public sector and Government to do the same..... :rolleyes:

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...hardly ...the markets were waiting for Brown to go from late last year and held back from savaging us ...if the Nuliebour 'head in the sand' spending had continued we would be having a visit from the IMF by now....if they could have been bothered with us....judge the current markets in context ....before the real '29 crash the stock market was soaring ...we have kept our exchange rate realistically low and industry with it's cut backs is more efficient having cut it's costs....we just need the public sector and Government to do the same..... :rolleyes:

The bottom line is that we are in fantastic shape and the Koalishon cannot take credit for all of it. Given the resilience to the world turmoil I think it may be down to Brown. He gave us the boom and we have yet to see any signs of a real bust.

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The bottom line is that we are in fantastic shape and the Koalishon cannot take credit for all of it. Given the resilience to the world turmoil I think it may be down to Brown. He gave us the boom and we have yet to see any signs of a real bust.

Apostate!

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