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David is an experienced public speaker. He is happy to speak at any reading or literary groups to discuss the book, or at any local political, trade union, student or community meetings in the Yorkshire area opposing the cuts.

Is he a mouthpiece for the Labour Party?

Certainly Sounds like it?

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I'd prefer to live under a regime whereby the leaders are randomly selected every, say, 5 years from a pool of suitably qualified* non-partisan, non self-interested people than under the pretence of 'democracy'. There's no voter power. politicians will only ever do whatever the group with the loudest voice (biggest brown envelope) demand.

Let's face it, the present system promotes exactly the wrong type of people into positions of power and influence. Under this system, the rules and laws of life are set by 600 odd power hungry, corruptable vote-seeking inedequates whose actions and decisions unfortunately have a direct impact & consequence to millions of people. It doesn't work and never will. (or rather it pretends to work, but nowhere as good as it could/should be)

* and i don't necessarily mean academically qualified

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Interesting presentation, IIUC the first part only was uploaded, the rest will follow. This is the question of the day.

http://www.youtube.c...on?feature=mhum

Here's the person's blog entry:

http://golemxiv-cred...aster-talk.html

The technical answer is yes. There are many different type of democracy, and we live in one where the majority of citizens are able to vote for representatives and essentially hand power over to them for a specific period. If the democracy is any good or not is another question.

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Depends how you define democracy. If you define it by having democratic elections then yes we are. But if you define it by having a say in the way in which your country is run then NO.

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Depends how you define democracy. If you define it by having democratic elections then yes we are. But if you define it by having a say in the way in which your country is run then NO.

But you do have a say, when you vote. You can vote for socialists, communists, fascists, liberals, conservatives, environmentalists. This is you having a say.

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Interesting presentation, IIUC the first part only was uploaded, the rest will follow. This is the question of the day.

http://www.youtube.c...on?feature=mhum

Here's the person's blog entry:

http://golemxiv-cred...aster-talk.html

We have never lived in a democracy. However, while things were on the up, the bars of our cages could be hidden with pretty ornaments. Now we are on the down, the ornaments are being taken away, At which point the pretence ends. At which point we have to choose whether we actually wish to be slaves.

Or not.

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We have never lived in a democracy. However, while things were on the up, the bars of our cages could be hidden with pretty ornaments. Now we are on the down, the ornaments are being taken away, At which point the pretence ends. At which point we have to choose whether we actually wish to be slaves.

Or not.

Mortons fork, you can either be over a barrel with a huge well endowed 14inch long bloke named bubba

Or you can be over a pommel horse with a huge well endowed 14 inch thick bloke named bubba.

But either way you are gonna have a John Wayne walk in the morning

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The technical answer is yes. There are many different type of democracy, and we live in one where the majority of citizens are able to vote for representatives and essentially hand power over to them for a specific period. If the democracy is any good or not is another question.

Democracy IMO requires some form of participation from voters. What participation can there be if voters are misinformed on the real issues?

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I'm more interested to find out what if anything will come next as we seem to be stumbling down a dead end.

Escapism IMO

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The technical answer is yes. There are many different type of democracy, and we live in one where the majority of citizens are able to vote for representatives and essentially hand power over to them for a specific period. If the democracy is any good or not is another question.

yes that is what we have. Once every 5 years we get a very often ineffectual vote for which group of almost identical people chooses who is king for the next five years. The only benefit i can think of is it gives us something to talk about as though we had some control. If X-factor is opium of the non-thinking masses, politics is the opium of the thinking masses.

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I'd prefer to live under a regime whereby the leaders are randomly selected every, say, 5 years from a pool of suitably qualified* non-partisan, non self-interested people than under the pretence of 'democracy'. There's no voter power. politicians will only ever do whatever the group with the loudest voice (biggest brown envelope) demand.

Let's face it, the present system promotes exactly the wrong type of people into positions of power and influence. Under this system, the rules and laws of life are set by 600 odd power hungry, corruptable vote-seeking inedequates whose actions and decisions unfortunately have a direct impact & consequence to millions of people. It doesn't work and never will. (or rather it pretends to work, but nowhere as good as it could/should be)

* and i don't necessarily mean academically qualified

That is why more referendums and local power would be a good thing.

Make government power local enough and the only interested lobby group is the local people, and by definition that is not a problem since they will be deciding how to spend their own money on themselves.

Imagine if almost any policy had to in favour with at least 65% of the electorate, we would have a much better system then I think.

I don't think the bank bail out would have got past a public referendum at all.

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But you do have a say, when you vote. You can vote for socialists, communists, fascists, liberals, conservatives, environmentalists. This is you having a say.

yeah right......how many political parties stick to their manifestos.

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The technical answer is yes. There are many different type of democracy, and we live in one where the majority of citizens are able to vote for representatives and essentially hand power over to them for a specific period. If the democracy is any good or not is another question.

I'm sorry, but stating that 'technically the answer is yes' is basically saying no we don't.

We live in a representative Democracy as you allude to and it is no more democratic than a controlled state economy.

We live in an age where there is actually no need for this. Being realistic there was perhaps a time when it made sense for MP's to garner votes from a selective area and then represent that sub-population at Westminster, Those days no longer exist in any shape or form. Predominantly because we are all, by expressing ourselves on the medium of the internet, demonstrating that Democracy can be achieved by online voting to any suggestion/motion that an MP takes to the House.

I believe Switzerland has a mechanism approaching this.

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