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Okay.. the poll went wrong...

sorry

Apologise not, you might not of realised but you made a very good point in your error, when i fist saw it i thought "ha, i like it" that was before i realised you balzed up.

What you done, said to me ...

they are all as bad as one another, there is no real difference between them, people will always mess things up.. like one of aesops fables - the scorpion and the hawk/fox - after all i am a human.

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Ditto. Its a leading question. The first failure of objectivity.

EDIT:

And "the forgotten people" ... you sound like the Australian Prime Minister who first created the house bubble nightmare with his home owner=middle class philosophy (Robert Menzies to the Australians reading this - that and cloud seeding. I will never forgive him for choosing cloud seeding over IT!!!)

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The real problem is not Labour, or the Conservatives

or the Liberals,

it is our first past the post electoral

system, and our tendency to reduce the

electoral process to a referendum to one

or two issues of the day, rather than the

issues pertinent to a five year spell in

government.

Once a party has a fat majjority, all those election

promises go out of the window.

Bring on PR and representative government.

ABB

PS I would rather die than vote Tory though, because of Thatcher :D

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Well I voted anyway. It was quite enjoyable, knowing that I'm definately going to be on the 'winning side' this time.

"Any other vote would have been a wasted vote." (<---I hate that nonsense you hear from people at election time when they try to justify their thinking behind voting for the incumbant.)

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The real problem is not Labour, or the Conservatives

or the Liberals,

it is our first past the post electoral

system, and our tendency to reduce the

electoral process to a referendum to one

or two issues of the day, rather than the

issues pertinent to a five year spell in

government.

Once a party has a fat majjority, all those election

promises go out of the window.

Bring on PR and representative government.

That's what I was going to say... case in point: the pensions crisis. No other government has had to deal with it, because it did not directly affect them *then*.

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I'm not sure about PR... I know the present system has its faults, but hung or nearly hung parliaments have their own issues too... esp. stagnation / indecision. Get rid of the party whips and almost obligatory votes and then it might work.

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I can only assume your PS was in jest then.  :D

Sadly no, Thatcher was the progenitor of the property

owning, greed based buy now pay tomorrow culture.

Nu Labour have watched, learned and come along to keep

turning the handle, albeit with a nice neo-socialist spin.

When that b1tch dies I will dance on her grave

ABB

PS I'm not much of a fan of Bliar

either - just to show some balance :D

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Sadly no, Thatcher was the progenitor of the property

owning, greed based buy now pay tomorrow culture.

Nu Labour have watched, learned and come along to keep

turning the handle, albeit with a nice neo-socialist spin.

When that b1tch dies I will dance on her grave

ABB

PS I'm not much of a fan of Bliar

either - just to show some balance :D

so ABB, you from your moniker would seem to be the generation which profited most from the thatchers years.

Can I assume you neither own a property, gained wealth, enjoyed greater social mobility, nor enjoyed the lack of negative effects of union action etc etc as a result of her government's policies?

Either that, or you did, but then gave it all away?

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The real problem is not Labour, or the Conservatives

or the Liberals,

it is our first past the post electoral

system, and our tendency to reduce the

electoral process to a referendum to one

or two issues of the day, rather than the

issues pertinent to a five year spell in

government.

Once a party has a fat majjority, all those election

promises go out of the window.

Bring on PR and representative government.

ABB

PS I would rather die than vote Tory though, because of Thatcher :D

Yeah but Thatchers not there any more.....

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New Labour are not to blame for the way the UK is now, they are just a reflection of the what the nation is developing into.....greedy, financially irresponsible, unwilling to face facts, short sighted, obsessed with your "image" & vain, to name just a few of our more attractive qualities

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They are both bad as each other.

Death to New Labour

Death to The Conservatives

Thatcherite greed = Blairite/Blingite greed

Right to be buy = buy to be bling

What we need is a hung parliament

Hang the lot.

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New Labour are not to blame for the way the UK is now, they are just a reflection of the what the nation is developing into.....greedy, financially irresponsible, unwilling to face facts, short sighted, obsessed with your "image" & vain, to name just a few of our more attractive qualities

well said that man....... never voted Labour since the "Winter of Discontent" ........never fooled by Blair......jeez are you all blind....his eyes are to closed together, you don't need to wait for him to open his mouth ...lieing Ba$tard. :angry:

Voted Lib Dem last time for the first time dispite of Charles Kennedy, now't against the guy other than he is not PM material. Anyway we are run from the Whitehouse so does it really matter :rolleyes:

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so ABB, you from your moniker would seem to be the generation  which profited most from the thatchers years.

Can I assume you neither own a property, gained wealth, enjoyed greater social mobility, nor enjoyed the lack of negative effects of union action etc etc as a result of her government's policies?

Either that, or you did, but then gave it all away?

xian,

sorry for not replying sooner.

You shoudl not assume that I am typical of my generation.

Own property - no.

Gained wealth - yes, but through my own efforts, against a backdrop of

permanent job insecurity and intense competition

Gained social mobility - certainly, as a result of higher education, not birth

or money

Enjoyed lack of negative effect sof unions - yes and no.

I worked for many years in a higly unionised environment.

Equally, the emasculation of the unions allowed my employers

to hold the threat of redundancy over me and my peers,

and hold down my salary.(contributing to my lack of property to a great extent)

Gave it all away - no, I'm as tight as a gnat's chuff.

I have not to date been aparticularly wise investor either :D

ABB

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New labour are sh1te and want to thought-police your lives.

the liberals are sh1te,but well meaning

the tories are sh1te and you pay a bit less in tax.

that's the choice we have!

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New labour are sh1te and want to thought-police your lives.

the liberals are sh1te,but well meaning

  the tories are sh1te and you pay a bit less in tax.

  that's the choice we have!

The Labour party is like a bad episode of Last of the Summer Wine. I will kiss the Tory parties ass because they let you have a bit on the side. :P

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The Labour party is like a bad episode of Last of the Summer Wine. I will kiss the Tory parties ass because they let you have a bit on the side. :P

last of the summer wine is the proverbial turd that just won't flush away!!!!

.....surely we don't want that!!!

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