Ballet Dancer In Court Over Underage Sex

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I'd certainly give in - if I was in this lecturer's position where 18-21 year old students were trying it on with me, I'd not be able to help myself.

Yes to this also. And in most cases, those who rant and rave about how perverted is is are just over-compansating for the fact that they feel the same and feel too ashamed to say it.

I have no idea why they thin it is perverted !? They are an adult female, you are an adult male - you are supposed to have sex with them !!

Well if you can.

I know so many girls in their mid/late 20's who have let themselves go; in most cases 17-22 seems to have been when they were at their most attractive.

Yep they certainly do seem at their prime. Then again I do have a thing for the older bird.

[interestrateripoff]

Yep playing on the fantasy figure.

And somehow we are meant to resist and not look?

Although I managed not to.

[interestrateripoff]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334121/Ballet-teacher-admits-abducting-15-year-old-boy.html

Yesterday, however, the unlawful sex allegations against the 27-year-old brunette were dropped after she admitted a single charge of taking him away without lawful authority.

A court was told that prosecutors had concluded there was no realistic prospect of convicting Pirie on the sex offences because of factors including the teenager’s reluctance to give evidence.

Interesting sounds like he bragged to his mates what was going on and then someone got upset and grassed them up to the police then?

[Tiger Woods?]

When I was in college there was a lecturer in his 50s who appeared to have his choice of early 20-something gorgeous blondes. They were like bees to honey around him and he took full advantage.

One of my lecturers was married to a former student of his. Another one was in a LTR with one of his former ones.

I know of a few student/lecturer marriages that have lasted many years (i.e. are still ongoing.)

I also know some predatory power abusing s**** and some very screwy students.

It's just a reflection of the rest of the world.

[Tiger Woods?]

I'd certainly give in - if I was in this lecturer's position where 18-21 year old students were trying it on with me, I'd not be able to help myself.

You might not if they were nuts. I know I steered clear of a couple of nutters, though I'm sure the ride would have been very, very fun whilst it lasted. The fallout would have been disasterous as it was for one of my colleagues whose career ended along with his life soon after. Never sleep with someone madder than yourself etc.

However, if they aren't obviously nuts, and you are actively persued, then the tempatation is more or less impossible to resist, especially when one clicks on a intellectual level. I ended up dating a student for over 5 years. The mutually agreed root cause for the end of the relationship was, to a large degree, the effects of keeping the relationship secret from all but close friends for the first few years to avoid repercussions on both her and myself from those in power who would have disapproved or those who would have used the information to further their own causes. Rather sad as we did get on like a house on fire and still did after it all ended.

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Never sleep with someone madder than yourself etc.

So all us blokes have to become gay do we. Coz there are no birds out there who are even close to sanity !!

[pyracantha]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334121/Ballet-teacher-admits-abducting-15-year-old-boy.html

Interesting sounds like he bragged to his mates what was going on and then someone got upset and grassed them up to the police then?

Exactly. The 5 counts of sexual misconduct were all dropped - possibly because the boy was an active participant and suffered no harm. The courts had to get her on something otherwise the red-tops would have made a huge stink. To me abduction is something done against a person's will. She took him to a hotel and "seduced him" - I doubt he resisted much. So he's a lucky boy and she's a very silly woman.

However, swap the gender's in stories like this and people get much less comfortable, even though a 15 year old girl is going to be generally more mature than a boy of her own age.

She's a bit of a babe and could probably have most men she fancied (I'm sure she'd get plenty of volunteers here) so maybe she's a bit dodgy.

Edit - the file name is as I got it off t'Internet!

[6538]

So all us blokes have to become gay do we. Coz there are no birds out there who are even close to sanity !!

This is very true. All females should be on high doses of prozac from birth.

[northwestsmith2]

The abuse of authority is what's bad not the sex, if she wanted to date boys there are plenty about but not the ones in her care.

Sounds like she's confused about her role in life.

[6538]

The abuse of authority is what's bad not the sex, if she wanted to date boys there are plenty about but not the ones in her care.

Sounds like she's confused about her role in life.

I've just re-read that article and it seems weird. There isn't any evidence in it that the lad was one of her students. The allegations that she had sex wtih him were dropped as there was no realistic prospect of a conviction, apparently. She admitted "child abduction" yet is allowed bail?

All very strange to my mind. Pity there wasn't a full trial as we are now just guessing at the facts.

[northwestsmith2]

I've just re-read that article and it seems weird.

We may never know, if the genders were reversed and she looked early twenties it might have the same result, there's always some girls who look

much older and get served in the pub while there are those who are over 20 and have to provide ID.

[6538]

We may never know, if the genders were reversed and she looked early twenties it might have the same result, there's always some girls who look

much older and get served in the pub while there are those who are over 20 and have to provide ID.

My other half is 29 (30 in Jan) and was being asked for ID up until only a few months back. Actually.....now I thinnk about it.....she was a ballet dancer when I met her (well, a dance student), although she was 18 as opposed to under age and I wasn't a ballet instructor.

[The Ayatollah Buggeri]

I'd certainly give in - if I was in this lecturer's position where 18-21 year old students were trying it on with me, I'd not be able to help myself.

If you knew that your job (and if you had one, your marriage) were on the line if you failed to help yourself and were found out, and also had witnessed examples of this happening among colleagues, then helping yourself would become significantly easier. Add to that the knowledge that the 18-21 year olds in question almost certainly don't actually fancy you (either physically or emotionally), but are attempting to use their sexuality to gain a professional advantage, pure and simple (you're not likely to fail their exam paper if you're shagging them, are you?), and I'd have no problem helping myself even if Marilyn Monroe herself showed up in my office for a tutorial.

[interestrateripoff]

If you knew that your job (and if you had one, your marriage) were on the line if you failed to help yourself and were found out, and also had witnessed examples of this happening among colleagues, then helping yourself would become significantly easier. Add to that the knowledge that the 18-21 year olds in question almost certainly don't actually fancy you (either physically or emotionally), but are attempting to use their sexuality to gain a professional advantage, pure and simple (you're not likely to fail their exam paper if you're shagging them, are you?), and I'd have no problem helping myself even if Marilyn Monroe herself showed up in my office for a tutorial.

So it only happens when your running said course then? If you met a student studying a different degree would that still be unacceptable?

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If you knew that your job (and if you had one, your marriage) were on the line if you failed to help yourself and were found out, and also had witnessed examples of this happening among colleagues, then helping yourself would become significantly easier. Add to that the knowledge that the 18-21 year olds in question almost certainly don't actually fancy you (either physically or emotionally), but are attempting to use their sexuality to gain a professional advantage, pure and simple (you're not likely to fail their exam paper if you're shagging them, are you?), and I'd have no problem helping myself even if Marilyn Monroe herself showed up in my office for a tutorial.

Thats fine in theory. But what happens when you have had a few bevvies one night. You are out in a boozer. You see her on the way home in a side street - and she decides to try it on and flash you her stockings ?

VERY few men in that situation would be able to turn that down easily.

And no I am not talking from experience - unfortunately !!

[CrashedOutAndBurned]

There was only one relatively shaggable teacher at my school but she wore her hair short and had a grating voice. If think if she'd offered it to me on a plate I'd have certainly done her with gusto, but then at that age you're entranced by hedgerow porn or, failing such finds, the lingerie section of the Littlewoods catalogue.

Seems like a lucky sod, this lad. No more.

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There was only one relatively shaggable teacher at my school but she wore her hair short and had a grating voice. If think if she'd offered it to me on a plate I'd have certainly done her with gusto, but then at that age you're entranced by hedgerow porn or, failing such finds, the lingerie section of the Littlewoods catalogue.

Seems like a lucky sod, this lad. No more.

One of our teachers had a pretty rough face - but AMAZING pins. I mean proper incredible. She would always wear a tiny skirt and shiny tights. And she had furry stool that she would sit on right in front of your seat whilst teaching you personally.

I don't for a second think she had no idea what she was doing. And it ******ing worked.

Would of quite happily paid to bone her. Alas, like yourself, no such luck.

I reckon birds have it easier with male teachers. I know one bird who tells me of her and 2 pals having it away with a few teachers at school. The teacher would ask some to come into his wee side room in the class to get some tea or whatever. One time she says she went in there, gave him a quick knuckle shuffle - then walked out !!

And knowing this bird well I don't doubt it for a second. I am also sure the bloke, and his other male teachers shat themselves for a bit. Got away with it though. I just wonder how many fall into that category ?

[Tiger Woods?]

If you knew that your job (and if you had one, your marriage) were on the line if you failed to help yourself and were found out, and also had witnessed examples of this happening among colleagues, then helping yourself would become significantly easier. Add to that the knowledge that the 18-21 year olds in question almost certainly don't actually fancy you (either physically or emotionally), but are attempting to use their sexuality to gain a professional advantage, pure and simple (you're not likely to fail their exam paper if you're shagging them, are you?), and I'd have no problem helping myself even if Marilyn Monroe herself showed up in my office for a tutorial.

What I found fascinating is that some people lose careers over these sorts of things, whilst some of their colleagues down the hallway are married to ex-students.

I think the reasons are more complex and varied than that, though of course what you suggest may often be a motivation. I certainly know some fellows who in their late 20s and 30s were very attractive compared to some of the younger spottier males around. Some males are also just plain charismatic (b*stards). Add a dose of power into the mix (and yes, it is an aphrodisiac) and things are quite explicable. There are certainly plenty of relationships with 10 year age gaps that start outside of work/education power structures. Then you have people who have issues with their fathers (they fall into the "to be avoided nutter category"(*)) or those who come from families where the happiest examples of marriages have been between older males and younger women.

One friend of mine was a fellow at Cambridge, and I saw on numerous occasions unknown 19 year old girls more or less throw their panties at him in the street and he had accounts of them turning up semi clothed in his rooms. He avoided them, but it didn't stop him with postgrads outside of his faculty and college. He is married to one of them now, and has been for about 10 years. I never quite understood what women saw in him, bearing in mind the how quick the attraction was, but they certainly did see something. I had an office mate at one stage who had a similar effect on 18 to 22 year old women (and older ofc), though he was 6'5" and male model material so that was somewhat more understandable.

The relationships aren't always older male/younger female. The guy in the room next to me during my first year as a postgrad had had quite a long affair with one of his lecturers whilst an UG at Brown that started after he had finished her course. In the US it really is invariably a sacking offense, so she took quite a risk. (She was an absolute babe!)

As for the grading, in my experience one finds a reason to recuse oneself, and I'd say in some cases people mark those they feel they may have reasons to favour more critically (unfair also, but in a different way.) Over and above that, where I was scripts were double marked, so there are natural curbs on this sort of abuse. Moreover, one would only be able to marginally affect the grades of 1 out of 8 or so finals exams.

I once, however, ended up marking a part of a script of the person I mentioned above. The scripts were anonymous and I didn't recognise her handwriting ('cause I am a bloke.) Strangely, her answer was the only original one, and perhaps that was significant. It had flaws and ended up scoring 10.5 (whilst most of the other answers fell bimodally into the vicinity of 17/20 or 3/20.) I spent a lot of time trying to decide a grade for it. It stuck out so much that I even mentioned it to her at a later stage, which is when I found out whose it was.

(*) I knew Neil Diamond's partner, when she was a young woman - her sister was one of my closest friends. Deeply neurotic, troubled, probably with security issues of all sorts and given her parents and her razor sharp intellect together you can see where some of her issues came from. Add to that a good dose of Hodgkins lymphoma in her early 20s and you have a complex character. She always had a thing for men in power and ended up with Neil 30 years older than her. The relationship may still be ongoing. It certainly lasted a long time. I suspect the reasons for that relationship are quite complex and not at all a simple case of old rockstar and young gold digger.

[northwestsmith2]

but then at that age you're entranced by hedgerow porn or, failing such finds, the lingerie section of the Littlewoods catalogue.

With the harsh winters and wet summers I doubt anyone under 18 has ever seen Hedgerow porn.

[athe]

What I found fascinating is that some people lose careers over these sorts of things, whilst some of their colleagues down the hallway are married to ex-students...

As far as I know, and this is based on something I was told at staff induction years ago, at our place if you want to date a student then you have to inform your line manager in writing. They will then ensure no conflicts of interest re marking, tutoring etc. That may not be the case anymore but I've never had the need to find out more.

...Thankfully I've only had one student ever make a pass at me, and I was so embarrassed I just wanted to be somewhere else, and quickly.

Ditto - in fact I invented a meeting I had to go to to get her out of my office asap, and ever since, if an undergrad student wants to meet me one on one, I leave the door wedged open.

[Tiger Woods?]

As far as I know, and this is based on something I was told at staff induction years ago, at our place if you want to date a student then you have to inform your line manager in writing. They will then ensure no conflicts of interest re marking, tutoring etc. That may not be the case anymore but I've never had the need to find out more.

Almost civilised.

Ditto - in fact I invented a meeting I had to go to to get her out of my office asap, and ever since, if an undergrad student wants to meet me one on one, I leave the door wedged open.

A very sensible thing to do.

[interestrateripoff]

Ditto - in fact I invented a meeting I had to go to to get her out of my office asap, and ever since, if an undergrad student wants to meet me one on one, I leave the door wedged open.

So your into public exhibitionism then?

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So your into public exhibitionism then?

[Number79]

Ditto - in fact I invented a meeting I had to go to to get her out of my office asap, and ever since, if an undergrad student wants to meet me one on one, I leave the door wedged open.

That is because for you to do it would make you a dirty old man, a perv and a pedo.

I wonder if that is how women see this ballet teacher.

It clearly is not how many men see it.

She would have been a dream come true for me, still would be .

I had a girlfriend that was a gymnast once, still miss her sometimes , a ballerina must be close.

[interestrateripoff]

She would have been a dream come true for me, still would be .

I had a girlfriend that was a gymnast once, still miss her sometimes , a ballerina must be close.

Is that due to the intellectual conversations or the fact she could do the splits?