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Hundreds of Britons who were building two aircraft carriers for the Royal Navy have lost their jobs because they were not as cheap as Polish workers, it was claimed last night.

In the past six weeks, around 300 Britons working on the £5.2billion warships have been sacked.

But none of the cut-price Poles has been laid off. They earn around £9.50 an hour while UK tradesmen doing similar jobs are paid £15 an hour.

Some of the British workers were told they were being made redundant after receiving a text message at the end of their shift at BAE Systems’ dockyard in Portsmouth.

The defence giant is part of a consortium building the 65,000-ton vessels, HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales. The first is due to launch in 2016.

The scale of the programme has meant subcontractors working for BAE Systems were forced to recruit workers from Poland because they couldn’t find workers in the UK with the necessary skills.

Shipyard sources told the Mail that about 900 agency workers had been building the aircraft carriers, but this number has been cut to around 600.

But only British welders, draughtsmen and platers hired by Matchtech had been given their marching orders. Forty-two of them were laid off last Tuesday.

If only UK workers hadn't got a high cost of living they too might be able to work for less. But still at least there's wealth in housing....

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If only UK workers hadn't got a high cost of living they too might be able to work for less. But still at least there's wealth in housing....

Well those dockyards would certainly make prime river front properties. I'm only surprised the ships are not being built outside the UK.

Norman Tebbitt was on the daily politics a few days ago bragging about the success of his union reforms, in the eighties. Well we did what you wanted Norman, we became more flexible, accepted lower wage demands, accepted we could be hired and fired in an instant, so WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

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If only UK workers hadn't got a high cost of living they too might be able to work for less. But still at least there's wealth in housing....

Here's a great comment from DM:

Perhaps its time we started using Poles to be our MPs and top Minsters after all a 30% saving on their salaries would amount to a bigger saving than our shipbuilders. We won't have to worry about the Poles favouring their own people they could not do it any more than OUR OWN, but they could do it a LOT CHEAPER.

:lol:

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If only UK workers hadn't got a high cost of living they too might be able to work for less. But still at least there's wealth in housing....

Yes but then we would not all be quite 'rich' as we are just now, would we....

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Here's a great comment from DM:

Perhaps its time we started using Poles to be our MPs and top Minsters after all a 30% saving on their salaries would amount to a bigger saving than our shipbuilders. We won't have to worry about the Poles favouring their own people they could not do it any more than OUR OWN, but they could do it a LOT CHEAPER.

:lol:

Why not, this is a competitive global labour market after all :rolleyes:

It’s all well and good sacking the locals and letting their skills rot in favour of cheaper economic migrants. However by their very nature, economic migrants have an annoying habit of, well er migrating for better working/economic conditions.

I can't wait to see the faces of those loony globalists when they turn up to their factories and find 90% of their workforce have cleared off to pastures new. Or those Global Corporate Directors of outsourcing even, when they discover expectation and entitlements are no longer exclusive of Western Labour.

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Make a list of MP's who have stated that migrant labour does';t displace uk jobs then sack them, replace them with a migrant worker and disbar those mp's them from working with any company/sector in which they have had any contact with during their tenure.

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And the Poles will be replaced by Indians in one year. You shouldn't undercut your fellow man! This is a cake walk for the globalists.

That's what they're hoping for, but I've a funny feeling the Poles will have already moved on.

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Would the EU be a better place if the work conditions and employment rights and pay were the same across the board?

It's much harder to sack german workers apparently, ...

Ensuring the whole of europe has to be paid the same would stop this ... wouldn't it?

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That's exactly what has happened to my job, except that the eastern Europeans who are doing it are based in eastern Europe and so they don't even earn our National Minimum Wage.

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Would the EU be a better place if the work conditions and employment rights and pay were the same across the board?

It's much harder to sack german workers apparently, ...

Ensuring the whole of europe has to be paid the same would stop this ... wouldn't it?

Its not going to happen the EU is a pro globalist fascist state.

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if you have a bunch of guys on 9 quid an hour and a bunch on 15 an hour who would you cut first ? ? ?

the poles will be going home of their own accord soon as there will be more opportunity back home, the brits will follow in due course only the roles will be reversed and the brits in Gdansk will be on 9 quid and the poles 15 ......

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if you have a bunch of guys on 9 quid an hour and a bunch on 15 an hour who would you cut first ? ? ?

In the short term it might seem to make sense, in the longer term a successful economy depends on domestic workers earning a sufficiently high amount to be able to take part in that economy and keep the money-go-round turning. This is called "Fordism" after Henry Ford, and would lead to a stronger economy in the longer term than constantly outsourcing work, and watching the money relentlessly move eastwards.

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In the short term it might seem to make sense, in the longer term a successful economy depends on domestic workers earning a sufficiently high amount to be able to take part in that economy and keep the money-go-round turning. This is called "Fordism" after Henry Ford, and would lead to a stronger economy in the longer term than constantly outsourcing work, and watching the money relentlessly move eastwards.

Yes and it was allowed to continue to its natural conclusion which was a big government bailout as the union workers awash with benefits in detroit could not compete with the toyota / hyundai / nissan plants in Alabama etc where the workers were happy to work for average wages and benefits around half of the ford guys .....

Detroit is the way a lot of the UK is heading,

The wages ford paid in the 1920's all stayed in the local economy, now off shoring and cheap tat mean a lot of wages all end up in india and china, for the waste lands of the UK outside the southeast I really don't know what the solution is but I know it is not going to be high wages and benefits ...

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if you have a bunch of guys on 9 quid an hour and a bunch on 15 an hour who would you cut first ? ? ?

Are they saying Matchtech have broken the law by paying different pay rates to different nationalities working alongside each other doing a job of equal value? If I was Mr Matchtech i would have my lawyers all over this article.

The outrage here would be discrimination on grounds of race. I dont believe a word of it. In practice it just wouldnt happen. And the Mail have stated that Matchtech are guilty of such a serious offence.

In practice, we all know it just wouldnt pan out the way the Mail have tried to make you believe.

Q: We can't get enough staff what shall we do? A: Cut the pay rate and bring some more workers in!

Now, if they want to say that the British workers attracted a higher rate because they were better skilled, added more value etc, then we dont have to salivate and join in at a BNP rally, but question whether the cuts in defence spending are putting national security in danger as a result of cutting corners.

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In the short term it might seem to make sense, in the longer term a successful economy depends on domestic workers earning a sufficiently high amount to be able to take part in that economy and keep the money-go-round turning. This is called "Fordism" after Henry Ford, and would lead to a stronger economy in the longer term than constantly outsourcing work, and watching the money relentlessly move eastwards.

+1

Also how many people who have had their wages cut now draw out more money in more tax credits and HB and pay less tax and NI into the system.

How many have just given up finding the rewards are to little after tolling all week .How many have found their housing costs met by the state make working for a living gives them lower pay than benefits.

These cost's are never calculated when wages are sacrifided at the alter of efficency and cheapest price.

We are all paying the price for wage cuts and will be paying more and more as this process continues.

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if you have a bunch of guys on 9 quid an hour and a bunch on 15 an hour who would you cut first ? ? ?

Except of course you can't get visas for the poles to work unless you are paying them the same money as the British workers... so why were to poles cheaper?

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Also how many people who have had their wages cut now draw out more money in more tax credits and HB and pay less tax and NI into the system.

How many have just given up finding the rewards are to little after tolling all week .How many have found their housing costs met by the state make working for a living gives them lower pay than benefits.

These cost's are never calculated when wages are sacrifided at the alter of efficency and cheapest price.

We are all paying the price for wage cuts and will be paying more and more as this process continues.

I don't think this capitalist economy system is working........not all of us are paying, someone is making more profit somewhere along the line...profit should be feed back to the people not diverted elsewhere. ;)

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I don't think this capitalist economy system is working........not all of us are paying, someone is making more profit somewhere along the line...profit should be feed back to the people not diverted elsewhere. ;)

Correct the rich are not paying those in the middle are paying and those at the bottom are paying.

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Except of course you can't get visas for the poles to work unless you are paying them the same money as the British workers... so why were to poles cheaper?

You don't need a visa to travel between EU countries...

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Except of course you can't get visas for the poles to work unless you are paying them the same money as the British workers... so why were to poles cheaper?

Hello? This is 2010 and Poland has been in the EU for over six years.

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+1

Also how many people who have had their wages cut now draw out more money in more tax credits and HB and pay less tax and NI into the system.

How many have just given up finding the rewards are to little after tolling all week .How many have found their housing costs met by the state make working for a living gives them lower pay than benefits.

These cost's are never calculated when wages are sacrifided at the alter of efficency and cheapest price.

We are all paying the price for wage cuts and will be paying more and more as this process continues.

Its a nightmare.

The sad thing is:

a Carrier should be built for sound operational reasons

Not as a way to occupy idle hands. Polish or not, or to influence voters.

The good men and women who have died for this country have been heinously betrayed.

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Its a nightmare.

The sad thing is:

a Carrier should be built for sound operational reasons

Not as a way to occupy idle hands. Polish or not, or to influence voters.

The good men and women who have died for this country have been heinously betrayed.

I think they were betrayed my Mr Blair in the first place for a whole raft of bad reasons , but to be honest I feel much worse for the Iraqis who have suffered much much more for no fault of their own because they had oil and the Israel lobby wanted them given a bloody nose ...

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