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The scale of the collapse of Fianna Fail's vote in Donegal South West means something's stirring, even in the sticks:

Doherty wins by landslide after collapse in FF support

A SINN Fein senator who forced the Government into a bruising by-election was last night celebrating
a landslide victory in one of Fianna Fail's strongest outposts
.
Pearse Doherty (33) bulldozed his way to a seat in Donegal South West with
an almost 40pc share of the vote
in the party's first by-election victory since 1925.

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The by election result is definitely a protest vote against Fianna Fail. Just in the same way a by election result in the UK could throw up a response to a particular situation.

The main election is the one to watch. Remember that Labour was deeply unpopular here but still managed to nearly pull off a coalition government.

What was so depressing about the Donegal by election was not that SF won but that 21% of those balloted still voted FF.

The performance of FG the main opposition party was simply dire but then they have always struck me as Tweedle Dee to FF Tweedle Dum (ie always talking about the next battle but never actually fighting it)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweedledum_and_Tweedledee

FG are doomed to be the eternal Mini Me of irish politics always doing the same as as FF just less so.

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The by election result is definitely a protest vote against Fianna Fail. Just in the same way a by election result in the UK could throw up a response to a particular situation.

The main election is the one to watch. Remember that Labour was deeply unpopular here but still managed to nearly pull off a coalition government.

Could that have been down to the sheer size of the public sector?

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Any hope of a Tea party like but not tea party anti big govt. uprising?

There seems a far greater awareness in Ireland of who's responsible for the whole mess.

Perhaps the speed at which things happened made it easier to make the link between politicians+banks=we're shafted.

In any case, for those that can't make the link, the Daily Star has issued a deck of playing cards based on the American 'Iraq's Most Wanted'.

Star Decks Those Responsible for Ireland’s Decline

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In what is probably a first for any newspaper worldwide, the Irish Daily Star is offering its readers a free deck of cards emblazoned with the faces of many well known former and current business people who many believe to be responsible for triggering Ireland's financial collapse.

Few of Ireland's corporate leaders and politicians from the heady days of the Celtic Tiger escape the Star's two finger salute and each one has a quote directly attributable to them. Possibly the most memorable of these was Sean Fitzpatrick who said, back in October 2008, that "I cannot say sorry with any degree of sincerity."

Fitzpatrick is just one of four aces, the other three being Michael Fingelton (Irish Nationwide) Eugene Sheehy (AIB) Brian Goggin (Bank of Ireland). Taoiseach Brian Cowen and Finance Minister Brian Lenihan are also included as is former Fine Gael TD George Lee. The two Jokers in the pack are John Hurley, former Governor of the Central Bank, and the former Financial Regulator, Patrick Neary.

"As a newspaper that prides itself on capturing and reflecting the mood of the nation on a daily basis, we felt the deck of recession playing cards was a novel way of illustrating the madness of the past two years. Featuring the most memorable quotes from the major players in Ireland's economic meltdown; it show's just how badly wrong they got it. While the crisis itself is no laughing matter, we're sure the playing cards will bring a smile to our readers' faces," says Paul Cooke, managing director of the Irish Daily Star.

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It's the same in ROI. The Fianna Fial party have increased the size and salaries of the public sector to a degree unknown over here. Their public sector wages are at least 20% higher than public sector here and its incredibly hard to lose a public sector position.

This point must be one of the big clues to working out what's been going on in the last 10 years. Fianna Fail are right of the irish labour party yet they did exactly the same as our labour government. It wasn't just a party ideology at work. Same public sector boom on the back of the revenues from the banking sector which fed into the economy and created the housing boom. If the leaders of the west were sold a theory that this could continue indefinitely (lets face it fiat money is more than 90% myth anyway) i can see how this came to pass.

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We all know what is proposed in the ROI - the status quo with a lot more debt, the good times at an end but for a few. My proposal is the opposite direction -

1) Tell the IMF/EU to get stuffed.

2) Replace the current government with one selected from outside any current political party.

3) We all know who the culpable and corrupt are - jail them.

4) Plenty of houses to go around - cancel all mortgages, give every family their own house, debt free.

5) Get rid of all taxes and welfare and replace with a land value tax/citizen's income to pay for a basic public service of healthcare and essential services.

6) Aim to be self-sufficient in energy (and maybe food) production in less than a decade.

7) Allow small home grown businesses to thrive and form the new economy.

Send the message the the people are in charge, that they will create wealth for their country on their own terms and that spivs, chancers and wanabee politicians need not apply.

No need for violent protests, a million or so on the streets of Dublin until the government steps down, should only take one or two days, there's no way the police or army would oppose it.

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This point must be one of the big clues to working out what's been going on in the last 10 years. Fianna Fail are right of the irish labour party yet they did exactly the same as our labour government. It wasn't just a party ideology at work. Same public sector boom on the back of the revenues from the banking sector which fed into the economy and created the housing boom. If the leaders of the west were sold a theory that this could continue indefinitely (lets face it fiat money is more than 90% myth anyway) i can see how this came to pass.

The same happened in the US under Bush.

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We all know what is proposed in the ROI - the status quo with a lot more debt, the good times at an end but for a few. My proposal is the opposite direction -

1) Tell the IMF/EU to get stuffed.

2) Replace the current government with one selected from outside any current political party.

3) We all know who the culpable and corrupt are - jail them.

4) Plenty of houses to go around - cancel all mortgages, give every family their own house, debt free.

5) Get rid of all taxes and welfare and replace with a land value tax/citizen's income to pay for a basic public service of healthcare and essential services.

6) Aim to be self-sufficient in energy (and maybe food) production in less than a decade.

7) Allow small home grown businesses to thrive and form the new economy.

Send the message the the people are in charge, that they will create wealth for their country on their own terms and that spivs, chancers and wanabee politicians need not apply.

No need for violent protests, a million or so on the streets of Dublin until the government steps down, should only take one or two days, there's no way the police or army would oppose it.

What about the foreign debt? You think the creditors will just say ah well fine you just stay at home growing spuds and knitting sweaters and we'll just rip up this IOU for a squillion quid. Nah, they like us have been royally shafted by the money lenders. We've been owned.

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"cancel all mortgages, give every family their own house, debt free.

5) Get rid of all taxes and welfare and replace with a land value tax/citizen's income to pay for a basic public service of healthcare and essential services.

7) Allow small home grown businesses to thrive and form the new economy."

Oh look, the year zero proposal, how quaint.

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What about the foreign debt? You think the creditors will just say ah well fine you just stay at home growing spuds and knitting sweaters and we'll just rip up this IOU for a squillion quid. Nah, they like us have been royally shafted by the money lenders. We've been owned.

They can always ask the bankers they lent it to for their money back. Or did those loans go bad? :lol:

At what point is there any kind of moral case for the Irish Public to bail out a bunch of greedy morons who made bad loans to another bunch of greedy morons who made bad loans?

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They can always ask the bankers they lent it to for their money back. Or did those loans go bad? :lol:

At what point is there any kind of moral case for the Irish Public to bail out a bunch of greedy morons who made bad loans to another bunch of greedy morons who made bad loans?

It really surprises me that - given there's a thread here - no one has mentioned the 50,000 or so who demonstrated in Dublin today.

The protest wasn't physically violent, but the language certainly was.

Maybe . . as is typical . . reporting is being dumbed down locally . . .

http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=544735&vId=1970137&cId=World

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"cancel all mortgages, give every family their own house, debt free.

5) Get rid of all taxes and welfare and replace with a land value tax/citizen's income to pay for a basic public service of healthcare and essential services.

7) Allow small home grown businesses to thrive and form the new economy."

Oh look, the year zero proposal, how quaint.

It's an oldie but a goodie.

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Well this is another very sad thing,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/26/ireland-hurries-bailout-portugal-spain

The Irish elect someone from Sinn Fein so the interest rates being talked about for their bail out jump from 6.75% to 9%.

The people will be punished for their dissent....they should round up the government and their banker and developer mates, stick them on an island, declare the rest of Ireland a new country, point to 'old Ireland' and tell the markets - there's who owes you your money, now get 'em working.....

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Then with what will you pay for the things you need but do not produce?

Trade. When there's people willing to buy, there will always be someone willing to sell to them. As it has always been.

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If the protest grow in Ireland, I reckon they'll grow here too. When the penny drops that the people are being punished by this government for the stupidity of the last one, they will become very angry.

This is one slant that none of the parties are in a position to promote, only the media and pundits can.

The Tories can't say 'We're punishing you because Gordon Brown messed up'.

Labour can't say 'The Tories are punishing you because we messed up'

And the Lib Dems certainly can't say 'We're helping the Tories punish you for Labour's mistakes'.

If I was hoping to go to university and facing the prospect of tuition fees being doubled or trebled, I'd be blaming David Cameron and Nick Clegg. They're the ones responsible for the decision, the buck stops with them. They are the ones slashing public spending and putting hundreds of thousands of people out of work. As each day goes by, the incompetence of Gordon Brown recedes further into history.

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When things were on cloud nine in Ireland the population were smiling not realising their success was on the back of high house prices and massive debt with their banks showing complete irresponsibility in their lending. Now the chickens have come home to roost they are protesting and their future seems uncertain. As the EU helped with their prosperity they should be thankful the EU will help with their debt. BTW I am 100% anti-EU. <_<

It is no different in the UK, they boasted how much their houses were worth and how much the asset has increased in value over the years showing no interest in what was happening in the wider social and economic climate.

Many innocent will go down with the guilty and I`m afraid things will never be the same again. Ten to fifteen years it will take to return to some normality. :(

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