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I can sympathise with your passionate arguments, but it is the case that 6000 years of civilisation has selected for members of homo sapiens sapiens who are better at conciliation rather than confrontation.

The benefits of a meek and trusting populace is obvious when you compare it with hunter gatherers or primitive agriculturalists like the Yanomami where violence accounts for nearly half of all male deaths.

The trend towards non-violence has been steep throughout recorded history and I am sure that there is a genetic basis for the current malaise you disparage.

how many were killed by armies, murderers and other acts of non violence last MONTH?

I dont know, but it was a lot.

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But isn't a right to he here simply something humankind has invented?

My point is, we didn't.

There is no right in nature and unfortunately and rightly so , humans have created a system of rights , but it isn't perfect , not I's the system overall perfect.

There is no right in nature, but there is also no law. As an animal in the wild, you won't be imprisoned for repelling another animal’s attempt to move you along, nor are your actions considered wrong. The two (rights and law) go together - reflections of each other; if we are going to have one we have to have the other. If you are saying that underneath our civilisation is basicaly nothing but a fight between various interests, then i have no issue with that inturpretation, but i feel everyone involved should understand this so they don't feel guilty or 'wrong' when using violence or denying other people their rights

The last piece of that paragraph in italics, was a piece of friendly sarcasm..my point being: i don't think you really agree with what you are saying, you just haven't examined the implications enough to realise

Flipping this back to hpcers , I just think we sometimes lose perspective. And before we no it we have been bitter for a decade before we realise life is tough and unfair and always will be.

My view anyway.

I think there are some bitter people here, but i think many just want to be allowed to get on with their lives

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All Human beings everywhere are born free, the only way they can have any power over you is if you contract with them. I will never bow my head to any king, queen, fascist, socialist, or anyone.

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I have looked at the implications.

I just sometimes read alot of the comments on this forum and we see view as extreme as the very things we oppose.

Certainly changes need to be made, but I am obviously not as hard lined as others.

But I guess the beauty of a forum is to say what we think, some of what we say is horse shit, some isn't.

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All Human beings everywhere are born free, the only way they can have any power over you is if you contract with them. I will never bow my head to any king, queen, fascist, socialist, or anyone.

thank you King Sando, HAIL!

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You are free but if you'd just like to sign on the dotted line

thank you Oh Lord, Sando, but please, forgive me, I wouldnt mention it normally, indeed, its probably my mistake, but it appears, your Gloriness, that I have already signed it, well, its my name, not my usual signature, but, ( looks at glaring look and fingers tapping on his Lordship Sandoness), thank you so much for saving me the trouble and pre signing for me.

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I have looked at the implications.

I just sometimes read alot of the comments on this forum and we see view as extreme as the very things we oppose.

Certainly changes need to be made, but I am obviously not as hard lined as others.

But I guess the beauty of a forum is to say what we think, some of what we say is horse shit, some isn't.

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  • 276 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



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