Staggeringly Naive Article On The Housing Benefit Cuts

[pete.hpc]

There are very few coherent arguments to be made against the housing benefit cuts, but this article by Grace Dent shows just the type of ill-informed, hand-wringing bleating that is going to make IDS's job that much harder.

This paragraph in particular all at once nicely highlights on the one hand, the completely inaccurate claims about what will happen to those that will be affected as well as the typically patronising attitude of your average Guardian journalist purporting to have the interests of "the poor" at heart, whilst quaffing champagne in her Islington flat

Say police and officials come to remove a poor family from my street for non-payment of rent and disperse them somewhere less expensive? What will I do? Close the curtains? Sit indoors making paper-chains and sipping tea from my commemorative Will and Kate china? Turn the sound up on ITV2's Holly and Fearne's Royal Wedding Show to drown out the screaming kids being dragged into vans? Or will I go outside, join my neighbours and try to help? Will I make a collosal show of myself pleading and shouting and getting over-emotional about the people at the bottom of life's pecking order who have no benefits, no savings, no jobs and now no legal aid. Or will I think, well they were poor, it was probably their fault anyway?

The police will come to remove a "poor family" from their home? what is this, 1940's Berlin you silly woman?

I was....tearful over talk of mass removal of the working classes from London

<facepalm>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/17/government-cuts-royal-wedding

Edited November 17, 2010 by pete.hpc

[SHERWICK]

There are very few coherent arguments to be made against the housing benefit cuts, but this article by Grace Dent shows just the type of ill-informed, hand-wringing bleating that is going to make IDS's job that much harder.

This paragraph in particular all at once nicely highlights on the one hand, the completely inaccurate claims about what will happen to those that will be affected as well as the typically patronising attitude of your average Guardian journalist purporting to have the interests of "the poor" at heart, whilst quaffing champagne in her Islington flat

The police will come to remove a "poor family" from their home? what is this, 1940's Berlin you silly woman?

http://www.guardian....s-royal-wedding

What about all the working people who already have had to leave your street because they can't afford to live there Luv?

[northwestsmith2]

Obviously I can't condone violence, you'll never find me in the path of galloping police horses holding a pipebomb

She should be allowed to do this.

[leicestersq]

What about all the working people who already have had to leave your street because they can't afford to live there Luv?

She is absolutely right. What we need to do is tax the hardworking people more so that the undeserving can stay in the homes that they cant really afford and bought using a liar loan, via SMI, which should be enhanced to pay down the capital and cover the credit cards.

[_w_]

She is absolutely right. What we need to do is tax the hardworking people more so that the undeserving can stay in the homes that Grace provides to them, at a very reasonable rent she might add.

Only a VI can lead to this level of dishonesty. How low will people go.

[Stars]

Only a VI can lead to this level of dishonesty. How low will people go.

We actually need a serious public discourse on the nature of the real estate market

The biggest dishonesty here, is the many people refusing this discourse so they can remain inconsistent and instead opportunisticaly shove costs on to others. All the time people like yourself wont talk seriously about the problem, but use every opportunity to visit costs on other people, we are stuck in a fight.

[CrashedOutAndBurned]

There are very few coherent arguments to be made against the housing benefit cuts, but this article by Grace Dent shows just the type of ill-informed, hand-wringing bleating that is going to make IDS's job that much harder.

This paragraph in particular all at once nicely highlights on the one hand, the completely inaccurate claims about what will happen to those that will be affected as well as the typically patronising attitude of your average Guardian journalist purporting to have the interests of "the poor" at heart, whilst quaffing champagne in her Islington flat

The police will come to remove a "poor family" from their home? what is this, 1940's Berlin you silly woman?

<facepalm>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/17/government-cuts-royal-wedding

Yep. If you're a rich middle class type you can be either a spiteful Tory or a champagne socialist as you can always buy yourself out of the consequences of your politics.

'Why shouldn't people be taxed more so "poor people" can get huge HB to live in expensive areas? I'm still comfortably off, dahling!'

'Who cares if the poor riot? I'll just put razor wire round my pad and hire some security...'

It's the poor bastards on low and average incomes who really suffer from an excessive amount of tax being sucked out of them when they need those funds themselves or at least need to see them spent wisely in ways that directly benefit them not the parasite classes rich and 'poor'.

Edited November 17, 2010 by CrashedOutAndBurned

[South Lorne]

There are very few coherent arguments to be made against the housing benefit cuts, but this article by Grace Dent shows just the type of ill-informed, hand-wringing bleating that is going to make IDS's job that much harder.

This paragraph in particular all at once nicely highlights on the one hand, the completely inaccurate claims about what will happen to those that will be affected as well as the typically patronising attitude of your average Guardian journalist purporting to have the interests of "the poor" at heart, whilst quaffing champagne in her Islington flat

The police will come to remove a "poor family" from their home? what is this, 1940's Berlin you silly woman?

<facepalm>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/17/government-cuts-royal-wedding

...she's a communist troll....troublemaker stirring discontent ....most working class people in low paid jobs are asking "why am I subsidising Housing Benefit for people who are living a better standard than myself and family without bothering to work?".....what do you expect from the Guardian who were the Nulabour Bubble Boys media sponsors during the heady highs of the funny money .....

[Butthead]

This is a particularly repugnant piece of misdirection:

talk of mass removal of the working classes from London.

The working classes work and as such stand a much better chance of living in London when taxpayers aren't subsidising rents out of their reach. But that wouldn't sit with her class war rant would it... :angry:

[richc]

"What will I do? Close the curtains? Sit indoors making paper-chains and sipping tea from my commemorative Will and Kate china? Turn the sound up on ITV2's Holly and Fearne's Royal Wedding Show to drown out the screaming kids being dragged into vans?"

The juxtaposition of her imaginary compassion for something that will never happen to "the poor", alongside her very real sneering contempt for working class tastes, is hilarious. Guardian writers are truly clueless.

[darwin]

There are very few coherent arguments to be made against the housing benefit cuts, but this article by Grace Dent shows just the type of ill-informed, hand-wringing bleating that is going to make IDS's job that much harder.

This paragraph in particular all at once nicely highlights on the one hand, the completely inaccurate claims about what will happen to those that will be affected as well as the typically patronising attitude of your average Guardian journalist purporting to have the interests of "the poor" at heart, whilst quaffing champagne in her Islington flat

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/17/government-cuts-royal-wedding

Reason #97485 why I don't buy newspapers anymore. I ain't paying for that crap.

[Stars]

It's all a bit damn sad - the usual British reflex forlock tugging and kicking downwards

The british are to easily manipulated by their 'betters'

[Si1]

Only a VI can lead to this level of dishonesty. How low will people go.

indeed

Grace Dent is the Guardian's soap opera and big brother correspondent (I sh*t ye not)

[Self Employed Youth]

She is absolutely right. What we need to do is tax the hardworking people more so that the undeserving can stay in the homes that they cant really afford and bought using a liar loan, via SMI, which should be enhanced to pay down the capital and cover the credit cards.

I wonder why we don't tax heavily house sales.

Or place VAT on the sale of a house. It would raise a lot of revenue and encourage housebuilding.

[thecrashingisles]

Say police and officials come to remove a poor family from my street ...

Or will I think, well they were poor, it was probably their fault anyway?

Does definition of poverty no longer have any relation to material well-being?

[Stars]

Does definition of poverty no longer have any relation to material well-being?

A coherent definition would include the degree of control a person commands over his circumstances

Being allowed to stay for tea at buckinham palace doesn't make you rich, despite the opulent conditions you enjoy

[thecrashingisles]

A coherent definition would include the degree of control a person commands over his circumstances

The flippant answer to that would be along the lines of, "Are birds free from the chains of the skyway?"

[Stars]

The flippant answer to that would be along the lines of, "Are birds free from the chains of the skyway?"

I don't know about flippant but it does seem to manage being irrelevant - the issue was what poverty is.

[Sibley's Love Child]

Yep. If you're a rich middle class type you can be either a spiteful Tory or a champagne socialist as you can always buy yourself out of the consequences of your politics.

Nice summary; encapsulates my loathing for both the Guardian & Telegraph. Seemingly diametrically opposed ideology yet entirely the same in their 'i'm alright Jack' ethos.

[thecrashingisles]

I don't know about flippant but it does seem to manage being irrelevant - the issue was what poverty is.

It wasn't me who brought freedom of choice into it. By that definition the Queen herself is one of the poorest women in the country.

[Austin Allegro]

There was similar emotive nonsense on the Today programme this morning. Some handwringer was talking about poor old ladies being thrown out of their homes by wicked, moustache twirling top hatted Victorian landlords laughing as they hurled them into the gutter (ok they didn't mention the last bit but it was the kind of picture they painted). Mr Grant Schnapps came on and made a reasonable argument but the lefty presenter wasn't having any of it and kept bringing up weepy arguments about all these old dears. :angry:

[Stars]

By that definition the Queen herself is one of the poorest women in the country.

nonesense

Edited November 18, 2010 by Stars

[roadtoruin]

There was similar emotive nonsense on the Today programme this morning. Some handwringer was talking about poor old ladies being thrown out of their homes by wicked, moustache twirling top hatted Victorian landlords laughing as they hurled them into the gutter (ok they didn't mention the last bit but it was the kind of picture they painted). Mr Grant Schnapps came on and made a reasonable argument but the lefty presenter wasn't having any of it and kept bringing up weepy arguments about all these old dears. :angry:

I wouldn't agree the presenters are lefty on the Today programme, and all he did anyway (his job) was to challenge Schnapps a few times, but I thought he was allowed plenty of time to put the case for HB and did.

[SarahBell]

There was similar emotive nonsense on the Today programme this morning. Some handwringer was talking about poor old ladies being thrown out of their homes by wicked, moustache twirling top hatted Victorian landlords laughing as they hurled them into the gutter

I caught a bit:

The old dear living in a 3 bed place who'd had her gson living with her but couldn't cope with him so was on her own now... topping up the rent by £30 a week...

She'd only been there 3 years so not a huge emotional attachment.

Loads of emotional crap about "can't afford heating on"

Well move to a smaller place and you'll have the money to spend on heating. OR get another old person to move in and share the bills.

[blackgoose]

The 'poor' are richer than those poor souls having to work 40 hours a week and live in worse housing than those on benefits who sit on their arses all day. Still that means that the 'poor' have more in common with the average guardian reader - leeching of their husbands or inheritance from parents instead of leeching of the state.