Pole Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Sacks Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Cheers for posting, I've been watching the insanity which is bloomburg tv all day, with all these idiots say what a great day its been. ITS ALL INFLATION YOU IDIOTs NOT REAL PRODUCTION! Its good to listen to somebody sane for once. I love Alex Jones at www.infowars.com . Any chance of them doing a Penn and Teller version with boobies and explosions so the tv generation can watch it aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Spot on. She's making the exact same point in retrospect that Sir James Goldsmith was persuasively arguing at the time in 1994. (I won't post the vid again, I'm sure everyone has seen it by now) i.e. That the GATT/WTO 1994 legislation would destroy Western jobs and culture. Exactly what happened and is happening. Transfer of power from Sovereign democratic states to global corporations and banksters. Cameron, Hague and Cable are continuing to deliver on this obscene model. We need to break this control of our govts by the billionaires and corporatists and breing capital back to the West to rebuild our own countries and finance jobs and industries for our own people. Republica or Democrat, Tory or New Labour makes no difference - they all insist global corporations are the only option. We must destroy this idea before it destroys us and stop electing these criminal skimmers scammers and scummers who are sucking us dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Spot on. She's making the exact same point in retrospect that Sir James Goldsmith was persuasively arguing at the time in 1994. (I won't post the vid again, I'm sure everyone has seen it by now) i.e. That the GATT/WTO 1994 legislation would destroy Western jobs and culture. Exactly what happened and is happening. Transfer of power from Sovereign democratic states to global corporations and banksters. Cameron, Hague and Cable are continuing to deliver on this obscene model. We need to break this control of our govts by the billionaires and corporatists and breing capital back to the West to rebuild our own countries and finance jobs and industries for our own people. Republica or Democrat, Tory or New Labour makes no difference - they all insist global corporations are the only option. We must destroy this idea before it destroys us and stop electing these criminal skimmers scammers and scummers who are sucking us dry. I really believe we are now starting to turn a corner with peoples understanding of how government works. Great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageslaveX14 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 I really believe we are now starting to turn a corner with peoples understanding of how government works. Great! I wish we were, but the fact that we don't have street protests about QE2 and its intended consequences -never mind the unintended consequences - I think demonstrates that the vast majority of people have no idea. I think most people in government (i.e. elected politicians) don't know how the financial system has f0cked us. If they did, certain individuals involved at the time (Darling, Brown) wouldn't have been complicit in the bailout. They just didn't, and don't, understand what they allowed to be perpetrated. Paulson, on the other hand, knew exactly what he was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WageslaveX14 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 By the way, I'm not defending Brown and Darling - Brown in particular is largely responsible for allowing much of the debt accumulation, lack of regulation, and subsequent collapse to happen - but to view them as knowingly complicit, rather than tragic pawns in the game, I think is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJAR Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Spot on. She's making the exact same point in retrospect that Sir James Goldsmith was persuasively arguing at the time in 1994. (I won't post the vid again, I'm sure everyone has seen it by now) i.e. That the GATT/WTO 1994 legislation would destroy Western jobs and culture. Exactly what happened and is happening. Transfer of power from Sovereign democratic states to global corporations and banksters. Cameron, Hague and Cable are continuing to deliver on this obscene model. We need to break this control of our govts by the billionaires and corporatists and breing capital back to the West to rebuild our own countries and finance jobs and industries for our own people. Republica or Democrat, Tory or New Labour makes no difference - they all insist global corporations are the only option. We must destroy this idea before it destroys us and stop electing these criminal skimmers scammers and scummers who are sucking us dry. Quite right. The things is I think the only way to get the power back is to take it away from government entirely. They know exactly what they did, and they were paid handsomely for it. Power to the people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 Power to the people! But those people need to eat... And what can they eat if all water/farming/seeds belong to big corporations? And in order to kill big corporations, one would have to: - stop using financial/banking services (including cards, savings, insurance, pension schemes, shares, etc.) - stop using supermarkets, - stop buying 'branded' products/food and switch to local stuff, - stop using new/latest devices (e.g. mobile phones, laptops, etc.) - stop watching TV and buying nationwide/global press/magazines, - stop driving or using transport owned by big transport companies. Mission impossible... it's too late... It means that our situation is going to get worse, and it will get to a point when the people get very angry, and it'll all end in tears or a war or a bloody revolution with lots of unintended consequences... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepwello'nights Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Mission impossible... it's too late... It means that our situation is going to get worse, and it will get to a point when the people get very angry, and it'll all end in tears or a war or a bloody revolution with lots of unintended consequences... Did this really come about as a deliberate and well conceived plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJAR Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 But those people need to eat... And what can they eat if all water/farming/seeds belong to big corporations? And in order to kill big corporations, one would have to: - stop using financial/banking services (including cards, savings, insurance, pension schemes, shares, etc.) - stop using supermarkets, - stop buying 'branded' products/food and switch to local stuff, - stop using new/latest devices (e.g. mobile phones, laptops, etc.) - stop watching TV and buying nationwide/global press/magazines, - stop driving or using transport owned by big transport companies. Mission impossible... it's too late... It means that our situation is going to get worse, and it will get to a point when the people get very angry, and it'll all end in tears or a war or a bloody revolution with lots of unintended consequences... well not all the food is owned by big corporations. however they are using their influence to get regulations passed that make it very difficult to be a small producer, I wonder why? (they must be concerned for our welfare) we don't have to kill them, we have to make them serve us as they should. That means government should serve us, which means we should have the power to veto things and throw out governments we don't like. for example - all major parties support EU membership, but more than 50% of the population of the UK doesn't. this sort of situation is not unique, it is becoming the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pole Posted November 4, 2010 Author Share Posted November 4, 2010 we have to make them serve us as they should. Big corporations and big governments will never be able to serve us. That means government should serve us, which means we should have the power to veto things and throw out governments we don't like. We can't veto 'things' because we don't know 'things'. News agencies are producing so much information that we're only getting more and more confused. You can shower people with facts, and it won't mean a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 But those people need to eat... And what can they eat if all water/farming/seeds belong to big corporations? And in order to kill big corporations, one would have to: - stop using financial/banking services (including cards, savings, insurance, pension schemes, shares, etc.) - stop using supermarkets, - stop buying 'branded' products/food and switch to local stuff, - stop using new/latest devices (e.g. mobile phones, laptops, etc.) - stop watching TV and buying nationwide/global press/magazines, - stop driving or using transport owned by big transport companies. Mission impossible... it's too late... It means that our situation is going to get worse, and it will get to a point when the people get very angry, and it'll all end in tears or a war or a bloody revolution with lots of unintended consequences... I share your pessimism for the western civilisation, unfortunately. We're so tied up in fiat money. How could people switch to a barter economy, even people not in insurmountable debt, when they are required by government to raise a certain amount of fiat currency each year. Oh for the good old days when we could have paid our taxes in turnips if we had turnips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athom Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Did this really come about as a deliberate and well conceived plan? It's probably the natural consequence or a interest / usury / riba based monetary system. What that fosters and enables added to the weaknesses of men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workhou Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Wow, really interesting. The fact that she admits to having a tapeworm puts me off but pretty informative all in all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R K Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 well not all the food is owned by big corporations. however they are using their influence to get regulations passed that make it very difficult to be a small producer, I wonder why? (they must be concerned for our welfare) we don't have to kill them, we have to make them serve us as they should. That means government should serve us, which means we should have the power to veto things and throw out governments we don't like. for example - all major parties support EU membership, but more than 50% of the population of the UK doesn't. this sort of situation is not unique, it is becoming the norm. So we kick out Brown and as soon as Cameron and Clegg get in they renege on their election pledges. Vince is told to smooth the waters with the Indians making an exception for them on immigration to skim scam and scum using tax dodging Indian labour forcing UK grads onto the dole (Don't worry says Vince, they can go and work in India), and students can only get a decent education if they take on limitless debts. Voting has now become irrelevant - this global capital (OUR capital too) owns our govts. Top 2% aside (the 2% who they buy off) we're all getting shafted as the wealth continues to run uphill to these scumbags. Incredibly, we even have people on here advocating it as a good idea. :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madpenguin Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) Got the real shivers watching this, it tied in to so many things I've thought about, seen and experienced, it's kind of a unified theory of scumbaggery Edited November 5, 2010 by madpenguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Sando Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 So we kick out Brown and as soon as Cameron and Clegg get in they renege on their election pledges. Vince is told to smooth the waters with the Indians making an exception for them on immigration to skim scam and scum using tax dodging Indian labour forcing UK grads onto the dole (Don't worry says Vince, they can go and work in India), and students can only get a decent education if they take on limitless debts. Voting has now become irrelevant - this global capital (OUR capital too) owns our govts. Top 2% aside (the 2% who they buy off) we're all getting shafted as the wealth continues to run uphill to these scumbags. Incredibly, we even have people on here advocating it as a good idea. :angry: The people who advocate it think there on the winning side, well I've got news for them, they aren't. They are just as disposable as anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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