Vaccine Damage Payment (Official Government Website)

[fluffy666]

At informed choice you can get a full list of Microbes, Antibiotics, Chemicals / Heavy Metals, Animal ByProducts My link

Do you feel lucky? Fluffy

Polio - DPT contains:

DPT - Diptheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed

SmithKline Beecham Pharmeceuticals 800-366-8900 x5231

Produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate,

washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal

medium: porcine (PIG) pancreatic hydrolsate of casein.

'Produced Using'... is a bit different to 'Contains' and a very, very long way from 'Contains significant quantities of'. But anyway..

Aluminum Phosphate - naturally occuring, may be toxic in large quantities, not in trace amounts.

Formaldehyde - naturally occuring in the body in greater amounts than any vaccine.

Ammonium Sulphate - both ions naturally occuring in the body.

Sheep red blood cells - ever eaten lamb or mutton?

Glycerol - common in food.

Thimerosal - Not toxic in the quantities in vaccines.

Pig Pancreas extract with milk solids.. ever had a sausage and cheese bun?

Sodium Chloride -- OMG RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! A highly flammable metal that reacts with water to form a highly corrosive solution, and a highly toxic gas used in the first world war!!!

Do you actually enjoy scaring yourself through ignorance?

[Scott Sando]

'Produced Using'... is a bit different to 'Contains' and a very, very long way from 'Contains significant quantities of'. But anyway..

Aluminum Phosphate - naturally occuring, may be toxic in large quantities, not in trace amounts.

Formaldehyde - naturally occuring in the body in greater amounts than any vaccine.

Ammonium Sulphate - both ions naturally occuring in the body.

Sheep red blood cells - ever eaten lamb or mutton?

Glycerol - common in food.

Thimerosal - Not toxic in the quantities in vaccines.

Pig Pancreas extract with milk solids.. ever had a sausage and cheese bun?

Sodium Chloride -- OMG RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! A highly flammable metal that reacts with water to form a highly corrosive solution, and a highly toxic gas used in the first world war!!!

Do you actually enjoy scaring yourself through ignorance?

As the infection progresses, someone infected with rabies may develop any of these symptoms:

* irritability

* excessive movements or agitation

* confusion

* hallucinations

* aggressiveness

* bizarre or abnormal thoughts

* muscle spasms

* abnormal postures

* seizures (convulsions)

* weakness or paralysis (when a person cannot move some part of the body)

* extreme sensitivity to bright lights, sounds, or touch

* increased production of saliva or tears

Check, check, check, check, check,check, check, check, Jeez, looks like you've got Rabies, or your possessed, best go see a Dr.

[Scott Sando]

Vaccines Did Not Save Us – 2 Centuries of Official Statistics

This is the data the drug industry do not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.

The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowded and better living conditions also contribute. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:

* “The questionable contribution of medical measures to the decline of mortality in the United States in the twentieth century“. McKinlay JB, McKinlay SM, Milbank Mem Fund Q Health Soc. 1977 Summer; 55(3): 405-28.

* “Symposium: Accomplishments in Child Nutrition during the 20th Century. Infant Mortality in the 20th Century, Dramatic but Uneven Progress” Myron E. Wegman School of Public Health, University of Michigan: J. Nutr. 131: 401S–408S, 2001.

The Measles mortality graphs are enlightening [more below] and contradict the claims of Government health officials that vaccines have saved millions of lives. It is an unscientific claim which the data show is untrue. Here you will also learn why vaccinations like mumps and rubella for children are medically unethical and can expose medical professionals to liability for criminal proceedings and civil damages for administering them.Measles Mortality England & Wales 1901 to 1999

for the full article with graphs, which fluffy will not read and consider, look here My link

[bugged bunny]

The issue is that, as with any other health measure, one size does not fit all.

Those with compromised immune systems may benefit from immunisations. Those with with overactive immune systems which do their job better than intended may well suffer adverse consequences.

Thankfully we still all have a personal choice, so it's important to become informed as to whether one's immune system is compromised or not. The powers that be clearly are not offering any assistance in informing Joe public in making this personal choice because they have a vested interest in moulding the gene pool to become weaker and more dependent on pharmaceuticals.

As the infection progresses, someone infected with rabies may develop any of these symptoms:

* irritability

* excessive movements or agitation

* confusion

* hallucinations

* aggressiveness

* bizarre or abnormal thoughts

* muscle spasms

* abnormal postures

* seizures (convulsions)

* weakness or paralysis (when a person cannot move some part of the body)

* extreme sensitivity to bright lights, sounds, or touch

* increased production of saliva or tears

Check, check, check, check, check,check, check, check, Jeez, looks like you've got Rabies, or your possessed, best go see a Dr.

[Scott Sando]

The issue is that, as with any other health measure, one size does not fit all.

Those with compromised immune systems may benefit from immunisations. Those with with overactive immune systems which do their job better than intended may well suffer adverse consequences.

Thankfully we still all have a personal choice, so it's important to become informed as to whether one's immune system is compromised or not. The powers that be clearly are not offering any assistance in informing Joe public in making this personal choice because they have a vested interest in moulding the gene pool to become weaker and more dependent on pharmaceuticals.

Its the vaccines that are making people's immune systems weaker But it is about personal choice, and I choose not to have anymore.

[bugged bunny]

Its the vaccines that are making people's immune systems weaker But it is about personal choice, and I choose not to have anymore.

I agree, and make the same choice. On principal, and also because I've been harmed by vaccines in the past as my immune system is already overactive.

[fluffy666]

The issue is that, as with any other health measure, one size does not fit all.

Those with compromised immune systems may benefit from immunisations. Those with with overactive immune systems which do their job better than intended may well suffer adverse consequences.

*sigh*. Any particular evidence of this? Any particular reason why a vaccine will be so much worse than, for example scraping your knee when falling over?

Thankfully we still all have a personal choice, so it's important to become informed as to whether one's immune system is compromised or not. The powers that be clearly are not offering any assistance in informing Joe public in making this personal choice because they have a vested interest in moulding the gene pool to become weaker and more dependent on pharmaceuticals.

How do you become informed, then?

[Scott Sando]

*sigh*. Any particular evidence of this? Any particular reason why a vaccine will be so much worse than, for example scraping your knee when falling over?

How do you become informed, then?

Here's somthing novel, you take the pro's and cons, and the you decide for yourself.

[Rapid Descent]

Oh wow the anti-vaxxers are back in town.

Scott, pretty much everything you wrote here is standard anti-vaxxer BS and falls into the "just plain wrong" category. Luckily, because you are trotting out tedious old canards they have all been addressed before, such as in the programme below by Penn and Teller:

Penn and Teller: BS Vaccines Part 1

Part 2

Warning: includes strong language and boobs. And explains in clear language why Scott Sando is just plain wrong.

[Scott Sando]

Oh wow the anti-vaxxers are back in town.

Scott, pretty much everything you wrote here is standard anti-vaxxer BS and falls into the "just plain wrong" category. Luckily, because you are trotting out tedious old canards they have all been addressed before, such as in the programme below by Penn and Teller:

Penn and Teller: BS Vaccines Part 1

Part 2

Warning: includes strong language and boobs. And explains in clear language why Scott Sando is just plain wrong.

Look at the boobs, look at the boobs, look at the boobs, What was I talking about? Hey what time is X Factor on.

[Rapid Descent]

Look at the boobs, look at the boobs, look at the boobs, What was I talking about? Hey what time is X Factor on.

So we have a programme which spends 15 seconds on breasts and around 25 minutes demolishing exactly the same garbage that you post here. And all you are capable of responding to is the 15 seconds?

What a surprise.

I guess you don't do "informed", after all.

[CrashedOutAndBurned]

Yeah, flipping NHS conspiracy-loons, setting up a page on how to claim when your kid if severely disabled by vaccines, scaring people.

[newbonic]

Oh wow the anti-vaxxers are back in town.

Scott, pretty much everything you wrote here is standard anti-vaxxer BS and falls into the "just plain wrong" category. Luckily, because you are trotting out tedious old canards they have all been addressed before, such as in the programme below by Penn and Teller:

Penn and Teller: BS Vaccines Part 1

Part 2

Warning: includes strong language and boobs. And explains in clear language why Scott Sando is just plain wrong.

Agreed. As I pointed out in post #9 of this thread "Nothing is risk free, and vaccinations are far less risky than contracting the diseases that the protect against.". I'd also add Ben Goldacre's columns on the MMR scare that was jointly generated by headline chasing idiots in the media and Dr Wakefield.

[Rapid Descent]

Yeah, flipping NHS conspiracy-loons, setting up a page on how to claim when your kid if severely disabled by vaccines, scaring people.

Not criticising the NHS. Vaccines are not without risks, but as newbonic points out, the risks are orders of magnitude less than the diseases they protect against. (Which is, if you watch it, the first point made in the programme I linked to).

What I am criticising is the BS spouted by Scott, such as claims that Andrew Wakefield was "exonerated". Despite the fact that he was struck off in May this year. And rightly so.

[Scott Sando]

Yeah, flipping NHS conspiracy-loons, setting up a page on how to claim when your kid if severely disabled by vaccines, scaring people.

It would be funny if this was all a bad dream.

[Rapid Descent]

It would be funny if this was all a bad dream.

I wish this kind of story was a bad dream:

Measles Outbreak Triggered by Unvaccinated Child

But unfortunately kids getting seriously ill because they have not been vaccinated is getting more common because of the type of bile the anti-vaxxers put out.

All the evidence is clear and points one way:

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7574/890.full

Localised outbreaks are occurring among unvaccinated children and adults, sometimes initiated by an imported case from Europe or elsewhere. Measles in adolescents or adults can be moderately severe. Infants aged less than 12 months and the increasing population of immunocompromised people are at particular risk as a result of the gaps in herd immunity.

I wish this was just a bad dream. But it isn't. Kids got sick and even died when vaccination rates dropped.

Vaccinations are effective because of herd immunity. Those that don't vaccinate are leeching off the good will of those that do, as those that do vaccinate are offering them some protection. But kids that are particularly susceptible to diseases cannot be vaccinated, and rely on the herd immunity as well: and if enough do not vaccinate, those kids lives are put increasingly at risk.

These diseases kill. The only reason these diseases do not seem to be a problem is BECAUSE of vaccination. Without that, we would almost certainly have hundreds, even thousands of extra dead infants every year in the UK alone.

[Scott Sando]

I wish this kind of story was a bad dream:

Measles Outbreak Triggered by Unvaccinated Child

But unfortunately kids getting seriously ill because they have not been vaccinated is getting more common because of the type of bile the anti-vaxxers put out.

All the evidence is clear and points one way:

http://www.bmj.com/content/333/7574/890.full

I wish this was just a bad dream. But it isn't. Kids got sick and even died when vaccination rates dropped.

Vaccinations are effective because of herd immunity. Those that don't vaccinate are leeching off the good will of those that do, as those that do vaccinate are offering them some protection. But kids that are particularly susceptible to diseases cannot be vaccinated, and rely on the herd immunity as well: and if enough do not vaccinate, those kids lives are put increasingly at risk.

These diseases kill. The only reason these diseases do not seem to be a problem is BECAUSE of vaccination. Without that, we would almost certainly have hundreds, even thousands of extra dead infants every year in the UK alone.

Herd immunity, have you heard yourself, what sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do, to believe such a idiotic idea.

[fluffy666]

Herd immunity, have you heard yourself, what sort of mental gymnastics do you have to do, to believe such a idiotic idea.

It's called 'Maths'.

[Scott Sando]

Vaccination rates fall among better educated families even while CDC keeps pushing vaccine quackery

example- people who don't watch Penn and Teller, Eastenders, Xfactor.

Mike Adams

Natural News

Nov 5, 2010

Vaccination rates among children insured by commercial health insurance plans have dropped four percent between 2008 and 2009, says a new report by the National Committee for Quality Assurance. In its annual State of Health Care Quality report, the organization revealed that vaccine rates are falling sharply among high-education families.

This trend infuriates the vaccine industry and all the shills who push vaccines, of course. Despite all their high-dollar propaganda, expensive advertising and vaccine booths in airports, Wal-Marts and grocery stores, more and more people are coming to realize that many vaccines are dangerous for children and the seasonal flu vaccines in particular offer absolutely no scientifically-validated benefit whatsoever. They are pure quackery and nothing more.

The really interesting thing about this trend is that parents with a higher education are consciously choosing to protect their children from vaccines. Remarkably, the vaccine industry insists that “they’re the stupid ones” because they don’t believe the vaccine propaganda. But as it turns out, the American people are smarter than the vaccine industry thinks, and as they’re learning the truth about seasonal flu vaccines, they’re making informed, intelligent decisions to protect their children from such vaccines.

Seasonal flu vaccines simply do not work

It’s a scientific fact: Seasonal flu vaccines don’t work on at least 99% of the population (http://www.naturalnews.com/029641_v…). You have to vaccinate 100 people, in other words, just to avoid flu symptoms in ONE person — and that’s if you believe the drug company’s own clinical trial data! (Which is almost certainly biased in favor of the vaccines.)

The second scientific fact the flu industry conveniently avoids talking about is that vitamin D offers far better protection against flu infections, and it’s cheaper, safer and easier to take! Children will gladly chew vitamin D tablets if it means avoiding a jab with a sharp needle.

Vitamin D makes the immune system work

Vitamin D, you see, activates the immune response to flu infections. Virtually everyone who suffers from the flu in the winter is vitamin D deficient. That’s why flu season is the winter, by the way: Because that’s when everybody is deficient in vitamin D! (http://www.naturalnews.com/029333_v…)

Most likely, the four percent of families who are choosing to avoid flu shots are supplementing their children’s diets with vitamin D and other immune-boosting nutrients. So they’re actually better off with vitamin D than they would have been with the vaccine!

Vitamin D, by the way, also prevents tuberculosis (http://www.naturalnews.com/021855.html), asthma, cancer, kidney disease and nearly a hundred other serious health conditions, including autoimmune disorders. (http://www.naturalnews.com/029605_v…)

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Vaccines are only chosen by ignorant people

The vaccine industry is terrified of vitamin D because it knows if the truth about vitamin D becomes widely known, people will stop taking seasonal flu shots and the drug companies will lose billions of dollars.

It has already begun, in fact. In one year, natural health websites like NaturalNews have helped educate the public and reduce dangerous vaccination rates by an astonishing four percent. This is why the vaccine industry is in a panic this year, paying celebrities and TV doctors to appear on posters and television ads, trying to push more seasonal flu vaccines on a population that is increasingly rejecting them for good reason.

It’s all going to end up as follows: Within a few years, only the most ignorant people will even consider getting a seasonal flu shot. These are the same people who drink diet soda (a scam), who take diabetes drugs (another scam), who raise money for pink ribbon breast cancer events (an even bigger scam) and who eat processed junk food at every meal. They are the ones who will suffer from conventional medicine while the better informed individuals and families will increasingly reject conventional medicine and seek out healthier, more natural alternatives.

Your immune system is a nanotechnology miracle that already knows how to block viruses and stop the flu. All it needs is to be activated with the right nutrition. Vitamin D does for your immune system what vaccines can never do — it unleashes a biological miracle that can hunt down and eliminate invading microorganisms and viral fragments, protecting you from all the germs the drug industry wants you to be terrified of.

Don’t believe the vaccine quackery and fear mongering. Join the educated crowd that’s consciously and intelligently choosing alternatives to vaccines — alternatives that work better and safer at lower cost, too. With vaccines, remember that you always run the risk of being paralyzed or ending up in the hospital with a coma.

Read the truth about what happened in Australia with seasonal flu vaccines earlier this year: Children suffered vomiting, fevers and seizures. Read it here: http://www.naturalnews.com/029586_A…

As reported in that story:

“Perth mother of two Bea Flint said her 11-month-old boy Avery had a seizure after receiving the first dose of the two-dose flu vaccination on Saturday. Mrs Flint said that after the 9am vaccination she noticed Avery had a minor temperature about 2pm. At 7.45pm, Avery started whimpering and moaning. When Mrs Flint got to his cot the baby had vomited and was lying on his side having a seizure. ‘He couldn’t cry – his head was hanging down in the car seat and he couldn’t move. I was petrified – it was one of the worst experiences of my life.”

If that’s what you want for your children, go ahead and get them vaccinated. But if you’d rather them stay healthy and alive, give ‘em vitamin D instead.

What they won’t tell you about vitamin D

By the way, 400 IU of vitamin D is simply not enough. Most nutritionists today are recommending ten times that amount (4000 IUs) for adults, and half that (2000 IUs) for children. The 200 / 400 IU dosage was actually set as a deliberate tactic to keep the population in a state of vitamin D deficiency. And it has worked, too. 97% of black Americans are vitamin D deficient right now. This has caused a huge boost to the cancer industry, mostly at the expense of black men and women. (http://www.naturalnews.com/028119_v…)

The more you know about all this, the more amazing the real story about vaccines, vitamin D and cancer really becomes, you see. Keep reading NaturalNews to stay informed in a way the mainstream media will never cover. We cite the scientific sources and tell you the true story about how vitamin D makes seasonal flu shots irrelevant.

Don’t start a needle habit.

This flu season, choose nutrition, not a needle.

[Rapid Descent]

Mike Adams of where? Oh right, a crank who has set up a website.

Penn and Teller, Eastenders and X factor are entirely different programmes and have little in common. They do have one thing in common, though: they all contain more factual content than "Natural News".

A quick check on the crank-o-meter:

Lots of opinion with zero credible evidence - check

All references are to self-published documents - check

Worthless anecdotal stories - check

Conspiracy theories about "big pharma" - check

Fashionable buzzwords from within the movement thrown about without understanding what they mean - check

Unable to publish anywhere with half a reputation to consider - check

Yep, we have a fully fledged crank on our hands. Skeptic Steve Novella characterises our friend Mike quite well here:

Mike Adams, editor of Natural News, is, in my opinion, a dangerous conspiracy-mongering crank. There is simply no way to be kind to his views and the nonsense he spreads on his website. His intellectual sloppiness is indistinguishable from dishonesty, as he peddles dubious cancer cures, pseudoscience such as homeopathy, and attacks vaccines and effective therapies for AIDS and other serious diseases.

His shtick is familiar – the body can heal itself of anything, “natural” (whatever that means) is the miracle cure that allows that to happen, and just about anything considered standard and scientific is an evil corporate conspiracy. Of course, anyone who criticizes his views or claims must be part of the conspiracy – a shill for the bogeyman – “big pharma”.

[Scott Sando]

Mike Adams of where? Oh right, a crank who has set up a website.

Penn and Teller, Eastenders and X factor are entirely different programmes and have little in common. They do have one thing in common, though: they all contain more factual content than "Natural News".

A quick check on the crank-o-meter:

Lots of opinion with zero credible evidence - check

All references are to self-published documents - check

Worthless anecdotal stories - check

Conspiracy theories about "big pharma" - check

Fashionable buzzwords from within the movement thrown about without understanding what they mean - check

Unable to publish anywhere with half a reputation to consider - check

Yep, we have a fully fledged crank on our hands. Skeptic Steve Novella characterises our friend Mike quite well here:

You are living in la la land, big pharma wouldn't hurt us to make a profit

Your an idiot and my patience is growing short.

[corevalue]

You are living in la la land, big pharma wouldn't hurt us to make a profit

Your an idiot and my patience is growing short.

Of course they wouldn't deliberately hurt us, it would leave them vunerable to being sued...oh, wait a minute, they got the law changed, at least in the US. How is it here, anyone know?

As for the safety of vaccines, tell that to the more than 300,000 soldiers infected with Hepatitis B via Yellow Fever shots in WW2.

[Rapid Descent]

You are living in la la land, big pharma wouldn't hurt us to make a profit

Your an idiot and my patience is growing short.

You're quoting conspiracy theorists and you think I'm the one in la la land?

The personal insult doesn't surprise me either, always the last resort of someone with no case to make.

Edited to add: you clearly didn't read the blog post I linked to. Novella does indeed have criticism for "big pharma". The difference between Novella and you is that Novella's criticism of the pharmaceutical industry is based on evidence, whereas your criticisms are based on ignorance.

[Scott Sando]

You're quoting conspiracy theorists and you think I'm the one in la la land?

The personal insult doesn't surprise me either, always the last resort of someone with no case to make.

Edited to add: you clearly didn't read the blog post I linked to. Novella does indeed have criticism for "big pharma". The difference between Novella and you is that Novella's criticism of the pharmaceutical industry is based on evidence, whereas your criticisms are based on ignorance.

due to rapid descents vaccine riddled mind, he didn't realise that he'd called me a crank previous to this post, but its all well and good bringing the vaccines into the argument, when watching Penn and Teller is seriously damaging to your sanity.

[Scott Sando]

Of course they wouldn't deliberately hurt us, it would leave them vunerable to being sued...oh, wait a minute, they got the law changed, at least in the US. How is it here, anyone know?

As for the safety of vaccines, tell that to the more than 300,000 soldiers infected with Hepatitis B via Yellow Fever shots in WW2.

And the death toll goes on, and there's a endless supply of little mengele's out there.