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Yeah, we have kinship with the Bretons and Cornish, Scots and Irish. We still feel it. Yr Hen Gogledd is Scotland to us, the Lost Lands are the regions colonised by the Germans to the east aka England.

most often observed in pubs!

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From my Sociology A Level lecturer (who was Liebor through & through) believed that you "turn Tory" when your older (40+) because you want to protect your assets (or something like that)...

Father Ted observed, "It's funny how you get more right wing as you grow older". He'd just entered the living room of an elderly priest, and noticed the swastikas hung all over the walls.

Although I'm not sure the Nazis were right wing.

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Yeah, we have kinship with the Bretons and Cornish, Scots and Irish. We still feel it. Yr Hen Gogledd is Scotland to us, the Lost Lands are the regions colonised by the Germans to the east aka England.

But if you go back far enough...

Out of interest Mr B and I had our 'ancestral' DNA done by Oxford Ancestors. If you believe it, and their credentials are pretty good, my 'maternal' originated in what is now NW Greece 45,000 years ago and is shared with maybe 11% of native Europeans. Mr B's went back 25,000, to near Perpignan in France, and is shared by a lot more, maybe 25%.

But we shared the same 'paternal' , said to originate in the Middle East 40,000 years ago, and this particular randy old goat was the direct paternal ancestor of something like 45% of all native Europeans (73% of England and Wales, 80% of Scotland) , and a good many of a lot of other groups* as well.

So all these divisions into Celt, Anglo-Saxon, etc. come much later.

Of course your DNA is a mix of all sorts, but the bit Oxford Ancestors check is the direct line, from father to father to father, or mother to mother to mother, way back into the mists.

*inc. 17% of Iraq, 60% of the Punjab, and 15% of the Cheyenne. (!)

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Yeah, we have kinship with the Bretons and Cornish, Scots and Irish. We still feel it. Yr Hen Gogledd is Scotland to us, the Lost Lands are the regions colonised by the Germans to the east aka England.
It's not that simple. Evidence suggests that people throughout the British isles, with remarkably little variation, are predominantly of pre-Celtic and Celtic genetic origin, with relativley small input to the gene pool from Romans, Danes, Angles, Saxons or Normans - who were all ruling elites who tended not to interbreed much with the 'natives' So the English are largely the descendants of Ancient Britons (Celts) who were either defeated by the Saxons or sided with them. What happened in England is that Celtic culture and language was almost eradicated, but now, it seems, from genetic evidence, many of the people weren't displaced but assimilated into the new culture. Cumbric, a form of Welsh, was spoken, at least by some people, in the Lake District until about 400 years ago. Edited by blankster
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DNA as a science is still in its comparative infancy and small changes in the code can spring up different results, a few thousand people can leave their trace DNA in millions of descendents, and modern Europeans are fundamentally Afro-Asians. I can accept that British people are essentially Iberian Basques, but less isolated and more blended in with other European ethnic groups. Supposedly certain English people are slightly more like the Danes than the Welsh (though there's still certain Welsh and Irish who look less Spanish and more Swedish).

The original article seems intentionally imflammatory, but there's a pattern emerging that people who hold strong political views are atypical people who don't like to go with the flow and are also inflexible, over opinionated bores. <_<

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Being Left Wing Is Genetic

Incorrect, being left wing is when you have nothing, when you have a lot you then become right wing. ;)

It`s the same as very obese people who claim it`s genetic, no it`s not you are obese because you eat too much.

Comfort eating I love that claim. :D

BTW I don`t remember seeing obese people in the late 1940s and during the 1950s I wonder why. :rolleyes:

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something similar seems to be happening in Belgium, where the Waloons (germanic dutch conservative types) moan that they do all the work and the french (latin passionate socialist types) manage to tax and spend it on themselves.

Wallonia = French and German speaking communities. Flanders = Dutch speaking community.

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I have to admit - I am naturally suspicious of any very young person who has strong conservative leanings, how can you reject idealism at such a young age?

That at least is easy: it's a generational thing. What were the great issues of your youth?

My 'teens spanned the disastrous Labour government of 1974-9 and the beginning of Thatcher's time, and my generation rallied pretty strongly behind Thatcher because she was confronting the biggest problem of our time (abuse of power in the unions)[1]. We even elected a paid-up Young Conservative as JCR president one year at college. I've been a little surprised in recent years (but pre-crisis) to find today's intelligent young to be noticably more Conservative than me.

As for the OP, we've heard of genetic predisposition to religious belief. Sounds much the same story with socialism: a belief in an idealised world, and a blindness to the fundamental barrier of human nature standing between reality and utopia.

[1] She also made small reductions to the incentives to "get pregnant to get housed", just as today's housing benefit cuts should do.

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Incorrect, being left wing is when you have nothing, when you have a lot you then become right wing. ;)

Yeah right. That'll explain why the highly-privileged Attlee was a right-wing icon while the humble grocer's daughter became the socialist poster-girl.

Or maybe not. The Thatcher mindset is strongly associated with people coming from humble origins but who seek to improve their lot by hard work. The Guardianista mindset is a luxury of those with enough not to need to struggle.

It`s the same as very obese people who claim it`s genetic, no it`s not you are obese because you eat too much.

As usual, there are multiple causes, amongst which genetics and diet are two.

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As usual, there are multiple causes, amongst which genetics and diet are two.

CTT> I don`t remember seeing obese people in the late 1940s and during the 1950s I wonder why.

So it was people born from the 60s onwards who carried the gene which made them obese? :unsure::D

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So it was people born from the 60s onwards who carried the gene which made them obese? :unsure::D

Try harder. I wasn't around in the 40s or 50s, but the photos of my grandfather from that time show a distinctly stout gentleman.

Obesity may have been less common in the past. So was formula milk for babies, with which it is strongly associated (and is one of the reasons which is neither genetic nor the fatty's choice of diet). And many other things.

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Try harder. I wasn't around in the 40s or 50s, but the photos of my grandfather from that time show a distinctly stout gentleman.

We seem to have a difference on which is obesity and stoutness and the real obesity which I see more and more of everyday walking around my Town.

I still say real obesity is not in the genes as I find this belief is a load of old love grenades. :rolleyes:

BTW are you a Physiologist? :unsure:

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We seem to have a difference on which is obesity and stoutness and the real obesity which I see more and more of everyday walking around my Town.

We have an official definition of obesity these days. And it's possible to be obese but not fat:

Those who know me, or have known me since nineteenninetysomething, will be familiar with the ample middle-age paunch, promising a Falstaffian (can I say that?) profile in my later years. Well, erm, I happen to like the Buddha a whole lot better than other religious figures, so I’m following a good role model B)

On Tuesday I went to Exeter, for an extensive medical checkup. It’s a perk of the job: I’m entitled to this every two years. They measured me and confirmed that I should lose several inches from the waistline which is, in modern terminology, obese. But they also performed a body fat measurement, and found 17%, which is bang in the middle of the healthy range (14-20%) for a man of my age.

So it’s official. I’m obese but not fat. Not even a little bit fat!

Happy to say most of their tests showed good health. But to share detail of everything would be TMI.

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I thought that as well. Right now it is the very definition of conventional to hold left wing views, they permeate society from top to bottom, and I think it takes a certain strength of character to go against the flow, as you will end up getting stick for it.

Don't think so. Have a look at the highest selling newspapers.

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