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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8093089/Liberal-gene-discovered-by-scientists.html

The research suggests that some people have an inherent bias against conservative thinking, that is independent of their education or upbringing.

The effect is caused by a neurotransmitter in the brain called DRD4 which could be stimulated by the novelty value of left of centre opinions, say US researchers.

In people who are naturally outgoing, the feature encourages them to seek out companions with unconventional views as they grow up.

This in turn means they tend to form less conventional political viewpoints as adults, according to the study by the University of California and Harvard.

The research, based on 2,000 Americans, is published in the Journal of Politics.

It found those with a strain of the DRD4 gene seek out "novelty" - such as people and lifestyles which are different to the ones they are used to.

This leads them to have more liberal political opinions, it found.

The person's age, ethnicity, gender or culture appeared to make no difference - it was the gene which counts.

DRD4 is controlled by dopamine which affects the way the brain deals with emotions, pleasure and pain and can therefore influence personality traits.

UC Professor James Fowler said: "It is the crucial interaction of two factors - the genetic predisposition and the environmental condition of having many friends in adolescence - that is associated with being more liberal.

"These findings suggest that political affiliation is not based solely on the kind of social environment people experience."

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That sort of makes sense.As a teenager I had a distinctly offbeat group of friends.If I look at us now what we seem to have in common is that we have probably as a group over achieved when compared to what would have been expected from our backgrounds and education (Working class,Secondary Modern)

I cannot think of one of them who votes Conservative.

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I was a devout socialist until about 25 years old when I sussed people out and realised it couldn't possibly work - the idea is appealing, in the same way getting drunk every night is appealing

Some of the most original right wingers were lefties in their youth, well 2 at least - Churchill, and latterly Portillo - would be interested to see who else

My guess is that non-genetic left wingers are working class unionists, understandable and fair, 'we all stand together' etc

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I wonder if this is at all related to the "thrill seeker" gene that many traders seem to have. It might explain people like George Soros and Warren Buffett.

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I was a devout socialist until about 25 years old when I sussed people out and realised it couldn't possibly work - the idea is appealing, in the same way getting drunk every night is appealing

Some of the most original right wingers were lefties in their youth, well 2 at least - Churchill, and latterly Portillo - would be interested to see who else

My guess is that non-genetic left wingers are working class unionists, understandable and fair, 'we all stand together' etc

Was it Churchill who said something like : "You would have to be heartless to be conservative in your 20s and brainless to be liberal in your 40s."?

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That sort of makes sense.As a teenager I had a distinctly offbeat group of friends.If I look at us now what we seem to have in common is that we have probably as a group over achieved when compared to what would have been expected from our backgrounds and education (Working class,Secondary Modern)

I cannot think of one of them who votes Conservative.

that just proves that the 35-odd percent of the population that voted tory in the last GE must be retards then

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Was it Churchill who said something like : "You would have to be heartless to be conservative in your 20s and brainless to be liberal in your 40s."?

i believe that is a spurious quote, I googled it to check and he didn't actiualyl say it, but one that fits rather well all the same

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i believe that is a spurious quote, I googled it to check and he didn't actiualyl say it, but one that fits rather well all the same

I am not sure if this is a relaible source :

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if-you-re-not-a-liberal-at-twenty-you-have-no/347162.html

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.”

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fair enough - from wikiquotes:

If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
    • According to research by Mark T. Shirey, citing Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations by Ralph Keyes, 1992, this quote was first uttered by mid-nineteenth century historian and statesman François Guizot when he observed, Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. This quote has been attributed variously to George Bernard Shaw, Benjamin Disraeli, Otto von Bismarck, and others.
    • Furthermore, the Churchill Centre, on its Falsely Attributed Quotations page, states "there is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this." Paul Addison of Edinburgh University is quoted as stating: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! And would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal?"
    • Variants: Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.
      Show me a young conservative and I'll show you someone with no heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you someone with no brains.
      If you are not a socialist by the time you are 25, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist by the time you are 35, you have no head

this somewhat damages my assertion that churchill was a liberal when he was young - apparently at 15 he was a conservaitve, and became a liberal by 35, before changing back again later. At 15 he would have been more under the influence of his establishment parents, however, and by 35 a free man able to think for himself, with experience of war and early life behind him. Certainly i used SOME life experience to become a leftie myself, before that i had no real opinion, maybe until roughly late teens.

I have to admit - I am naturally suspicious of any very young person who has strong conservative leanings, how can you reject idealism at such a young age?

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From my Sociology A Level lecturer (who was Liebor through & through) believed that you "turn Tory" when your older (40+) because you want to protect your assets (or something like that)...

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Funnily enough, I've been thinking along these lines over the last few months, particularly after reading this.

The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World

I wonder if scanning the brains of hardcore left/right wingers would show up any interesting results.

it would be interesting to see where Frank Field MP stood - he is a tremendously caring individual, and yet his personal politics seem to conclude in a right of centre direction

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Their logic strikes me as inherently politically biased.  What is non-conformist about holding left-wing views?

I think it lies in the definition of 'conservatism' - from William Pitt onwards, left wing doctrines developed, intellectually, as a reaction to conservatism AFAIK and as outlined in socially concerned novels of the 19th C as well as treatises of various forms - Marx, Keynes, whatever

however, in those regards, William Pitt himself was an economic liberal, which is confusing and in itself a position to the left of feudalism

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Their logic strikes me as inherently politically biased. What is non-conformist about holding left-wing views?

I thought that as well. Right now it is the very definition of conventional to hold left wing views, they permeate society from top to bottom, and I think it takes a certain strength of character to go against the flow, as you will end up getting stick for it.

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The feckin mad ones are those with uncontrolled greed and selfishness.

Even Neanderthals cared for their elderly and sick (and, on average, we are around 5% Neanderthals), though Peter Beresford Ellis argues the Anglo-Saxons used to prematurely kill their young and ill.

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The feckin mad ones are those with uncontrolled greed and selfishness.

Even Neanderthals cared for their elderly and sick (and, on average, we are around 5% Neanderthals), though Peter Beresford Ellis argues the Anglo-Saxons used to prematurely kill their young and ill.

that is really interesting and highlights the differences between the celtic races (who are much more naturally socialistic) and the anglo-saxons

but beware confusing selfishness as indistinguishable from tribal-selfishness - they are intrinsically the same thing and all about promoting the survival of the individuals' DNA. If the Anglo Saxons (footloose raiding and pillaging) evolved a different strategy to the (sedentary farming) Celts, then it was all to the same ends.

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that is really interesting and highlights the differences between the celtic races (who are much more naturally socialistic) and the anglo-saxons

but beware confusing selfishness as indistinguishable from tribal-selfishness - they are intrinsically the same thing and all about promoting the survival of the individuals' DNA. If the Anglo Saxons (footloose raiding and pillaging) evolved a different strategy to the (sedentary farming) Celts, then it was all to the same ends.

It does interest me that back in their Friesan / N German / Danish homelands, the Anglo-Saxons were famed for their fair society, but once they landed here and created England, things appear to have changed. Perhaps it was the endless centuries of war with us Welsh?

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From my Sociology A Level lecturer (who was Liebor through & through) believed that you "turn Tory" when your older (40+) because you want to protect your assets (or something like that)...

From a very left wing prof at uni : "This is depressing, this is the most liberal that you will be in your life."

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I thought being a hard left socialist was the flip side of being a rabid rigthwinger anyway - many similarities - more similarities than differences look how easily ex commies in Russia became extreme capitalists. Read some George Orwell.

Are these academics suggesting left wingers are the unusal odd ones? Seems like a peculiar starting point. It's as much cultural as anything else. Where does the term Bohemian come from? Exactly my point.

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It does interest me that back in their Friesan / N German / Danish homelands, the Anglo-Saxons were famed for their fair society, but once they landed here and created England, things appear to have changed. Perhaps it was the endless centuries of war with us Welsh?

if everyone played by the same rules - it probably WAS fair and balanced- but once you mixed up rulebooks (socialist celts and aggressive anglo-saxons) then it got unbalanced possibly? The anlgo-saxons may well have got on very well with large-scale regional trading on the central germain plain requiring a ruthless capitalist streak in a land of plenty, whereas the celts may have needed a more social-oriented strategy to survive the harsh climate and mountainous landscapes of the British Isles and surrounds (Pyrenees, Brittany, Northern Spain). Even NOW the Bretons in Brittainy speak fondly of their celtic relatives. Do you hear that from the Anglo-Saxons speaking fondly of the germans?!? By the same token, mountain cultures like the swiss and the slovak/hungarian/polish, have a tendency (I have observed) of being personally generous to strangers.

something similar seems to be happening in Belgium, where the Waloons (germanic dutch conservative types) moan that they do all the work and the french (latin passionate socialist types) manage to tax and spend it on themselves.

Edited by Si1

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if everyone played by the same rules - it probably WAS fair and balanced- but once you mixed up rulebooks (socialist celts and aggressive anglo-saxons) then it got unbalanced possibly? The anlgo-saxons may well have got on very well with large-scale regional trading on the central germain plain, whereas the celts may have needed a more social-oriented strategy to survive the harsh winters of the British Isles and surrounds (Pyrenees, Brittany, Northern Spain). Even NOW the Bretons in Brittainy speak fondly of their celtic relatives. Do you hear that from the Anglo-Saxons speaking fondly of the germans?!?

something similar seems to be happening in Belgium, where the Waloons (germanic dutch conservative types) moan that they do all the work and the french (latin passionate socialist types) manage to tax and spend it on themselves.

Perhaps the Dutch yeah?

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if everyone played by the same rules - it probably WAS fair and balanced- but once you mixed up rulebooks (socialist celts and aggressive anglo-saxons) then it got unbalanced possibly? The anlgo-saxons may well have got on very well with large-scale regional trading on the central germain plain, whereas the celts may have needed a more social-oriented strategy to survive the harsh winters of the British Isles and surrounds (Pyrenees, Brittany, Northern Spain). Even NOW the Bretons in Brittainy speak fondly of their celtic relatives. Do you hear that from the Anglo-Saxons speaking fondly of the germans?!?

something similar seems to be happening in Belgium, where the Waloons (germanic dutch conservative types) moan that they do all the work and the french (latin passionate socialist types) manage to tax and spend it on themselves.

Yeah, we have kinship with the Bretons and Cornish, Scots and Irish. We still feel it. Yr Hen Gogledd is Scotland to us, the Lost Lands are the regions colonised by the Germans to the east aka England.

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