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"Mummy, Mummy, we want more oil!"

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticl...&archived=False

I just couldn't believe my ears when I heard Gordon Brown telling the oil companies to

invest more in exploration. Of all the ignorant, ecotistical cretins.... does he seriously

believe that the oil companies are relaxing back knowing there's masses more oil underground? Why haven't they always done that? Next thing he'll be telling car makers to produce more cars to make them cheaper...

This pathetic show suddenly makes Peak Oil real to me, whereas before it was merely a hypothetical. The danger is political incompetence in response to Peak Oil, more than PO itself. So here you have the political incompetence. We're going to end up with a coup d'etat by the Freemasons (ie, a junta of business leaders, police and armed forces) if democracy doesn't make a better showing than this. :unsure:

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He wants to be seen to be trying to deal with the problem.

What else can he do?

Oh yeah, he could force the government to built alternative energy sources for heating homes and powering cars using renewables and insisting that the masses of car owners grow up and realise they don't have a right to drive a car 10 yards to take the kids to school.

He should put huge taxes on those silly big cars that pollute and ruin the roads.

Oh aye... did you catch the bit about double huge trucks coming to the UK because of fuel prices increases?

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Brown pointing the finger at OPEC. Never mind that they don't have anymore capacity eh, Mr. Brown. Forget the worry these nations have of getting shafted by any $ devaluation. Always someone elses fault, maybe he should sue for compensation!

:lol:

We stand a good chance of getting nailed with rising oil/commodity prices but lets overlook the fact it would have been so much easier to deal with if we didn't binge on debt.

All IMO of course...

Brown blames OPEC

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http://www.theaircar.com/

Why isn't london full of these things...?

I know electricity to fill the air tank is using power.. much much more economically then an engine does.. and no polution..

That looks pretty impressive. There must be other ways to compress air. We could pay people to walk or run on treadmills to compress it. And the nation would get fit! :)

I started writing this and then thought I would check out some numbers. An estimate of total energy use in the UK per year is 10 exajoules (an exajoule is one million trillion joules).

Running for 1 hour uses about 2000kj of energy as far as I know. If we could capture this energy (e.g. from treadmills) we could generate 730,000kj per year per person in the UK if they did 1 hr on the treadmill.

If 40m of the population did this we could generate 3 times the total energy consumption of the UK.

Obviously collection of energy would be less than 100% efficient, but even if we captured only a third, we would not need to rely on any other energy source.

To fuel the humans, we would need the equivalent of a large bowl of rice or a few potatoes.

Have I made a ridiculous schoolboy error, or do we have the power (literally!) to solve the energy crisis at our feet?

:)

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Oh dear, this from the government which promised oil companies (last year I think)a tax break of 1p/ltr at the pumps for lower sulphur fuels. Companies respond by investing HUGE amounts to make these fuels. No tax breaks forth comming.

The government now wants more investment? If you were Mr BP would you rush out and do what Gord asked you?

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I think Gordon has every right to demand "The Oil Industry" keeps their end of the bargain.

Whats this government done for the oil industry I hear you ask....well this government entered into an illegal war on an oil rich country. Killing thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraq's. Spent billions of taxpers money in the procces, and created many widows, widowers and mother / fatherless children back home in the UK.

The tax payer pays financialy and in blood to bolster the massive profits of the Oil Indusrty, so I don't think it's unreasonable of "Grasping Gordon" to expect a kick back now is it. :ph34r:

Edited by Catch22

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I think Gordon has every right to demand "The Oil Industry" keeps their end of the bargain.

Whats this government done for the oil industry I hear you ask....well this government entered into an illegal war on an oil rich country. Killing thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraq's. Spent billions of taxpers money in the procces, and created many widows, widowers and mother / fatherless children back home in the UK.

The tax payer pays financialy and in blood to bolster the massive profits of the Oil Indusrty, so I don't think it's unreasonable of  "Grasping Gordon" to expect a kick back now is it.  :ph34r:

I don't think they did it for the oil industry. In fact they advised Bush not to do it because it would cause prices to start rocketing upwards. Even if they did, we all have to appreciate exactly how much oil plays a part in our lives. Plastics, drugs, transport....

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I don't think they did it for the oil industry
:lol::lol::lol: silly me I forgot it was for WMD and then democracy when that lie was exposed....how come we support all those other no democratic Arab Oil States like Saudia Arabia, Kuwait etc.
Even if they did, we all have to appreciate exactly how much oil plays a part in our lives.  Plastics, drugs, transport....

What kind of argument is that to support the first part of that last sentence!!!!!

Our reliance on oil and oil by products does not give us the right to ignore International Law and starve a nation onto its knees, so we can walk in and secure worlds second biggest oil reserve to be explotied by the big US/UK oil companies.

I'm well aware of how important Oil is, and how it shapes US/UK foreign policy. You on the other hand only appear to get half the picture.

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so I don't think it's unreasonable of  "Grasping Gordon" to expect a kick back now is it.  :ph34r:

Put me down for first kick! :)

I wouldn't rule out windfall taxes on the oil industry once the treasury purse is empty.

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Put me down for the second!

That looks pretty impressive. There must be other ways to compress air.

Shame it can't run on hot air, in the UK we'd never be short of power again!

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Have I made a ridiculous schoolboy error, or do we have the power (literally!) to solve the energy crisis at our feet?

I think the main problem would be getting the UK's notoriously lazy and overweight population to do it. It's damn near impossible to get them to take any exercise now; paying them to run on a treadmill or pedal a bicycle to generate electricity might motivate some of them, but you have to be careful not to pay them to much or it will be uneconomic.

However, your idea is not as crazy as it sounds:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/02/1...nebybicycle.ap/

http://www.econvergence.net/electro.htm

http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html

http://www.ph.unimelb.edu.au/~muppets/lase...eacher_info.htm

http://www.webpal.org/webpal/b_recovery/3_...y/bike/bike.htm

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I think the main problem would be getting the UK's notoriously lazy and overweight population to do it. It's damn near impossible to get them to take any exercise now; paying them to run on a treadmill or pedal a bicycle to generate electricity might motivate some of them, but you have to be careful not to pay them to much or it will be uneconomic.

However, your idea is not as crazy as it sounds:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/02/1...nebybicycle.ap/

http://www.econvergence.net/electro.htm

http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html

http://www.ph.unimelb.edu.au/~muppets/lase...eacher_info.htm

http://www.webpal.org/webpal/b_recovery/3_...y/bike/bike.htm

How about either

1) paying for it. Some people may even make a career out of it.

2) Install treadmill/cycle in each home as the sole source of household energy, other than those who are medically certified as unfit to do so?

This would be no different from, for example, housework. We all have to do it, otherwise we do without a hygienic home. If you are rich enough, you can pay someone else to do it.

Just think - zero pollution (ok, CO2 emissions would be increased a little from all of those lungs working hard!), and the rates of obesity, diabetes and heart disease would plummet!

It would also encourage energy efficiency in the lazy.

In reality it would be outsourced to China or India, and the electricity would be cabled to Europe.....

I've just convinced myself that there is no energy crisis! :P

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"Mummy, Mummy, we want more oil!"

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticl...&archived=False

I just couldn't believe my ears when I heard Gordon Brown telling the oil companies to invest more in exploration. Of all the ignorant, ecotistical cretins....

When oil prices were as low as $10/barrel in the 1990s I don't remember any government saying that they should be higher to ensure that there was adequate investment in the oil infrastructure.

Also how does his statement fit with the additional 10% tax he levied on North Sea oil revenues a few years ago. He was obviously not worried about investment then.

It's truly unbelievable how he can make such statements and get away with it. It bodes badly for the future if the oil companies become the focal point for people's fustrations. We are the consumers of oil and have it in our power to reduce consumption through being more efficient. But those words will never leave Gordon Brown's lips.

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Why isn't london full of these things...?

You'd need to make a 2 ton 4x4 version with bull bars for the ultra dangerous "school run", not to mention the vast, puddle covered wastes of Sainsbury's car park, which is often to be seen littered with the skeletal remains of less hardy vehicles (and their owners).

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I think the main problem would be getting the UK's notoriously lazy and overweight population to do it. It's damn near impossible to get them to take any exercise now; paying them to run on a treadmill or pedal a bicycle to generate electricity might motivate some of them, but you have to be careful not to pay them to much or it will be uneconomic.

However, your idea is not as crazy as it sounds:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/02/1...nebybicycle.ap/

http://www.econvergence.net/electro.htm

http://www.los-gatos.ca.us/davidbu/pedgen.html

http://www.ph.unimelb.edu.au/~muppets/lase...eacher_info.htm

http://www.webpal.org/webpal/b_recovery/3_...y/bike/bike.htm

OK, the second link states that a bicycle fixed to a generator can produce 200w of power.

The DTI estimate for household energy consumption is 2 exajoules per annum.

Assuming there are 20m households in the UK, they each require 10m joules of energy per annum. At a rate of 200 joules per second (=200w) that would require 23 minutes on the bike per day.

23 minutes for no electricity or heating costs?

THAT IS VALUE!!!!!!!!!!

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:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  silly me I forgot it was for WMD and then democracy when that lie was exposed....how come we support all those other no democratic Arab Oil States like Saudia Arabia, Kuwait  etc.

Of course the war in Iraq was fought to ensure that there was some control over the region with most of the world's oil supplies. But it wasn't for the oil companies, it was for our western energy dependent economies.

Of course the outcome hasn't been what was expected (by the US government only) and has only served to make oil prices higher. With high oil prices the oil companies do make higher profits, but eventually these profits in the main are returned to our pension schemes, ISAs, etc. So it's a rather niave game to play to criticise the 'big bad oil companies'.

The sensible thing to have done would have been to invest all the human energy of fighting the war into reducing our dependence on oil and stop climate change. But the human race isn't up to that sort of challenge.

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Of course the war in Iraq was fought to ensure that there was some control over the region with most of the world's oil supplies. But it wasn't for the oil companies, it was for our western energy dependent economies.

Of course the outcome hasn't been what was expected (by the US government only) and has only served to make oil prices higher. With high oil prices the oil companies do make higher profits, but eventually these profits in the main are returned to our pension schemes, ISAs, etc. So it's a rather niave game to play to criticise the 'big bad oil companies'.

The sensible thing to have done would have been to invest all the human energy of fighting the war into reducing our dependence on oil and stop climate change. But the human race isn't up to that sort of challenge.

As my post above illustrates, the energy crisis is a fiction.

The government's "get on your bike" campaign can take on a whole new meaning.

I would dearly love to know why this couldn't work.......

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OK, the second link states that a bicycle fixed to a generator can produce 200w of power.

The DTI estimate for household energy consumption is 2 exajoules per annum.

Assuming there are 20m households in the UK, they each require 10m joules of energy per annum. At a rate of 200 joules per second (=200w) that would require 23 minutes on the bike per day.

23 minutes for no electricity or heating costs?

THAT IS VALUE!!!!!!!!!!

Presumably the power could only be stored locally in a battery. Is there a standard way to hook this up to the mains? And what are the energy requirements and environmental effects of producing batteries?

I don't think these problems are insuperable. Does anyone know why governments etc don't try and make these things work? Is it simply cos of the oil lobby?

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Presumably the power could only be stored locally in a battery. Is there a standard way to hook this up to the mains? And what are the energy requirements and environmental effects of producing batteries?

I don't think these problems are insuperable. Does anyone know why governments etc don't try and make these things work? Is it simply cos of the oil lobby?

I reckon the technology would be fairly straight-forward (for an engineer). It's electrical engineering, not cold fusion!

On further reading of some of the articles IPOD supplied, I'm not sure my calcs are right. One guy reckoned you would need to cycle 13 miles to power a fridge for 24 hours. However, 13 miles could be covered in an hour.

Perhaps the numbers I have for household consumption are not inaccurate?

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I reckon the technology would be fairly straight-forward (for an engineer). It's electrical engineering, not cold fusion!

On further reading of some of the articles IPOD supplied, I'm not sure my calcs are right. One guy reckoned you would need to cycle 13 miles to power a fridge for 24 hours. However, 13 miles could be covered in an hour.

Perhaps the numbers I have for household consumption are not inaccurate?

I knew it was too good to be true. On checking my electricity bill, I have used 2500kwh of electricity in 3 months. This would require 12,500 hrs of cycling.

Obviously the human body is rather inefficient at converting food to mechanical energy.......

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