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On BBC website. IDS is having a rethink about housing benefit cap, due to concerns of M.P`s. Well, didn`t see that coming, did we? Not.

We've got to email everyone....

local media coverage is needed. Local papers, etc...

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We've got to email everyone....

local media coverage is needed. Local papers, etc...

Agreed. What's the plan ?

Strange though, because I always thought IDS as a sane person pushing through common sense plans.

Quite why he'd do a U-turn is a mystery.

Not just that, but looks like much of the new scheme is in place ready to roll.

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So we want people off benefits and yet we want to ensure there is no incentive to work by ensuring the taxpayer in some cases is paying £1000 a week/month in rent.

If you are unemployed and living in a house where you are getting this sort of subsidy there is no way you are going to go and get a job as it's unlikely you'll ever find something paying the salary that you need to keep living in your current house.

Cutting this benefit will ultimately lower rents/house prices, currently the govt subsidy is artificially keeping rents up. True in the short term cutting this payment will cause pain for many and force them to move but ultimately it will give a better deal to the taxpayer and create a lower cost economy.

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So we want people off benefits and yet we want to ensure there is no incentive to work by ensuring the taxpayer in some cases is paying £1000 a week/month in rent.

If you are unemployed and living in a house where you are getting this sort of subsidy there is no way you are going to go and get a job as it's unlikely you'll ever find something paying the salary that you need to keep living in your current house.

Cutting this benefit will ultimately lower rents/house prices, currently the govt subsidy is artificially keeping rents up. True in the short term cutting this payment will cause pain for many and force them to move but ultimately it will give a better deal to the taxpayer and create a lower cost economy.

Though not quite the same extremities in rent pricing, this is the exact reason back in November 1998 I moved out of my Housing Benefit funded 1 bed flat in Hackney to a tiny flat-share in Pimlico, when I got my very first job after graduating from university the very same year. The sums just didn't add up when you took the rent and council tax into account of my paid monthly salary.

The job was important to me however, hence why I did move out.

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So we want people off benefits and yet we want to ensure there is no incentive to work by ensuring the taxpayer in some cases is paying £1000 a week/month in rent.

If you are unemployed and living in a house where you are getting this sort of subsidy there is no way you are going to go and get a job as it's unlikely you'll ever find something paying the salary that you need to keep living in your current house.

Cutting this benefit will ultimately lower rents/house prices, currently the govt subsidy is artificially keeping rents up. True in the short term cutting this payment will cause pain for many and force them to move but ultimately it will give a better deal to the taxpayer and create a lower cost economy.

Looks like Simon Hughes will get his way

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So we want people off benefits and yet we want to ensure there is no incentive to work by ensuring the taxpayer in some cases is paying £1000 a week/month in rent.

£2000.

Although they did say in that borough there weren't many more than 50 families...

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On BBC website. IDS is having a rethink about housing benefit cap, due to concerns of M.P`s. Well, didn`t see that coming, did we? Not.

IDS created the plan and supports it as far as I am aware? the problem seems to be:

Liberal Democrat deputy leader Simon Hughes has held talks with his party leader, Mr Clegg, over the plans.

Mr Hughes has described them as "draconian" and vowed to try and block them in Parliamen

They will probably have to introduce some flexibility on the Cap in some areas. Not surprising really.

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IDS created the plan and supports it as far as I am aware? the problem seems to be:

They will probably have to introduce some flexibility on the Cap in some areas. Not surprising really.

They could just legislate against high rents? :-0

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It's good to know our leaders are strong and have a singleminded plan onm tackling the problems the ciountry faces. :rolleyes:

the problem with a modern democratic system, really todays global situation calls for an authoritarian govt. Its connected to the Economics question Keynesian or Austrian, Austrian tends to be completely based in logic and therefore correct, but its impossible under a modern democracy, it requires a dictator probably

Edited by Tamara De Lempicka

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On BBC website. IDS is having a rethink about housing benefit cap, due to concerns of M.P`s. Well, didn`t see that coming, did we? Not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11633163

Downing Street has denied the government is set to revise its plans to cap housing benefit payments.

It comes after reports Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith was ready to rethink the policy after pressure from MPs.

The proposed cap could force people out of cities where rent is higher, some MPs and charities have argued.

A Downing Street spokeswoman said: "We are absolutely committed to the changes we announced."

Asked if there was any flexibility on limiting payments to £400 on a four-bedroomed rented house, she said: "No, we are not planning to concede on that."

This sounds more like a London squabble over the limit , which failed. It's the place that will be hit hardest by the £400 a week cash limit

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I've just thought of the way to get people to go with it...

LHA recipients who move to cheaper rented properties get 50% of the difference between what they were paying and what they move to...

so som eone on £2000 (The top rent on LHA) moved to somewhere for less eg:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-28041946.html

at 650 a month!!!

would have for one year only

£(2000-150)/2 spends a week - 925 quid a week spends...

That sounds so generous doesn't it? And the tax payer ssaves that much a week too!

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On the Today Programme this morning they had the MP for Kensington and Chelsea. He said that the housing benefit claimants were pricing out working familys. He agreed with the caps but asked that certain exemptions could be made for very elderly who would find it incredibly hard to move and certain other very vulnerable groups. He had it spot on.

S

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On the Today Programme this morning they had the MP for Kensington and Chelsea. He said that the housing benefit claimants were pricing out working familys. He agreed with the caps but asked that certain exemptions could be made for very elderly who would find it incredibly hard to move and certain other very vulnerable groups. He had it spot on.

S

My suggestion of giving benefits recipients half of any savings they make for a year would encourage even the most doddery to move!

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I've just thought of the way to get people to go with it...

LHA recipients who move to cheaper rented properties get 50% of the difference between what they were paying and what they move to...

so som eone on £2000 (The top rent on LHA) moved to somewhere for less eg:

http://www.rightmove...y-28041946.html

at 650 a month!!!

would have for one year only

£(2000-150)/2 spends a week - 925 quid a week spends...

That sounds so generous doesn't it? And the tax payer ssaves that much a week too!

Hold the front page!!!

Recipents are only allowed to keep the difference between the rent and the LHA up to a maximum of £15 a week.

Well, that used to be the case up until April 2010 according to this PDF. Now they can no longer keep any difference. This was news to me!!

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/lha-eia-15-cap-reduction.pdf

edit: forgot link

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Hold the front page!!!

Recipents are only allowed to keep the difference between the rent and the LHA up to a maximum of £15 a week.

Well, that used to be the case up until April 2010 according to this PDF. Now they can no longer keep any difference. This was news to me!!

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/lha-eia-15-cap-reduction.pdf

edit: forgot link

It was only up to £15...

Mine is purely for people moving to save money as a one off...

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"Liberal Democrat deputy leader Simon Hughes has held talks with his party leader, Mr Clegg, over the plans.

Mr Hughes has described them as "draconian" and vowed to try and block them in Parliament".

£400 per week is Draconian?

Are there no depths that Simon Hughes cannot sink to?

The whole point of this is who gets the housing. At the moment a lot of not very hard working families occupy homes that they cannot afford, paid for by hard working families who could have afforded them if they had not been taxed and the money given to the not hard working ones, so that they can live there instead. Stopping the tyranny of this subsidy, well just a bit anyway, apparently isnt fair. Indeed it appears to be positively Vampiric.

Presumably Simon Hughes would have fought to keep slavery in the UK. After all, how could the slavers manage to live in such rich mansions if their income, earned through the misery of the forced labour of others, had to be curtailed.

Come on IDS, time to show some backbone.

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Well, Auntie says that No. 10 says that there is no U-turn /climbdown.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11633163

First few sentences

"27 October 2010 Last updated at 10:26

Iain Duncan Smith has reportedly met London Mayor Boris Johnson

Downing Street has denied the government is set to revise its plans to cap housing benefit payments.

It comes after reports Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith was ready to rethink the policy after pressure from MPs.

The proposed cap could force people out of cities where rent is higher, some MPs and charities have argued.

A Downing Street spokeswoman said: "We are absolutely committed to the changes we announced."

Asked if there was any flexibility on limiting payments to £400 on a four-bedroomed rented house, she said: "No, we are not planning to concede on that."

She said the government would listen to concerns raised by MPs but was committed to the policy."

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More on this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11633163

"The government is to give £10m to local councils to soften the blow of changes to housing benefit.

Number 10 denied it was a climbdown and said the controversial reforms would still go ahead.

It comes after reports Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith was ready to rethink the policy after pressure from MPs.

The proposed cap could force people out of their homes where rent is higher, some MPs and charities have argued.

The government is planning to cap the amount of housing benefit that can be paid out to families in a four-bedroom home to £400 but Lib Dem and some Conservative MPs, particularly those with inner London constituencies, have expressed concerns.

Ministers are adamant there will be no concessions on the principles of the reform bit the Department of Communities and Local Government is to grant £10m from its homelessness budget to local councils' funds to ease the consequences of the change.

The money will go to councils' "discretionary funds" - a pot of money that councils can use for special cases. This is not just expected to be used in London, the BBC understands.

So for example, if a family's rent was more than £400 but one of their children attended a local special school, the council could, at their discretion, allow the family to stay in that accommodation and keep paying a higher rate.

But ministers accept that many thousands of people will have to move house if the changes go ahead.

Chancellor George Osborne has already allocated £60m in his June budget, a tripling of the cash for the "discretionary funds" to help the changes. "

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