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With Labour constantly repeating their "cuts risk double dip" line as though a double dip isn't inevitable i'm wondering how this will play out. Are the public going to be dumb enough to buy that line or will they see how the seeds were sewn by Labour. I notice Obama is facing the wrath in the USA for rising unemployment as though it was all down to him but are we as dumb over here? How will the media present it?? Is it most likely that Liebour will be back to destroying our future after the next election?

It's an impossible situation really, the only way to prove to the public that labour spending us into oblivion would have been worse would be for them to have retained power and actually done it.

Perhaps this is where the idea of democracy will start to unravel, do we need a benevolent dictator who can just get on with doing what needs to be done?

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the general public is fickle, and wil lforget Labour, i have already heard the chants that the conservatives are only doing what they always do, cut and tax. but they forget that they have to becuase of what Labour has done over the last 13 years.

the only thing the ConDems should be blamed for is prolonging a double dip, if they stepped in, had a bit of a fiddle to show the media they are trying to do something, but let the ecconomy crash by June, then it would have been easy to blame Labour, but as its now 7 months down the line, people have for gotten what happened in the last 13 years.

its a tough call, and it seems that Labour are riding high once more Labour in first poll lead since 2007

Labour in first poll lead since 2007

The Conservatives have lost their opinion poll lead over Labour for the first time since Gordon Brown took his party into freefall after deciding against a snap election three years ago.

David Cameron has been braced for a reaction to his and George Osborne’s austerity measures.

The Chancellor’s Comprehensive Spending Review has, it seems, provided the impetus for Ed Miliband’s party to inch ahead of the Tories.

According to a new Populus poll, Labour was one point ahead of the Conservatives on 38 per cent, a rise of one point since September. The Tories have seen their ratings fall two points to 37 per cent in a month. The survey, for The Times, provided an early boost for Labour’s new leader.

Labour has languished in the polls since November 2007 after Mr Brown saw early poll leads over Mr Cameron wiped out by his indecision over calling a general election.

In the new poll there was also little cheer for Nick Clegg, Mr Cameron’s Coalition partner. The Liberal Democrats were only on 15 per cent with other parties gathering 10 per cent of support.

The poll also found that 58 per cent of voters believed the effects of the spending cuts would be unfair, with 20 per cent of voters becoming more pessimistic since June.

There was further evidence that the Government has failed to convince voters its spending cuts are “fair”, with another poll showing a majority disagreed with them.

Another survey by ICM for The Guardian found that 52 per cent believed the austerity package would hit the poor hardest.

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If there is going to be a double dip then it would be better for the Tories to have it as soon as possible

If it happens next year then today's strong GDP figures will play to Labour's narrative of the new governement inheriting a strongly growing economy and then trashing it

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With Labour constantly repeating their "cuts risk double dip" line as though a double dip isn't inevitable i'm wondering how this will play out. Are the public going to be dumb enough to buy that line or will they see how the seeds were sewn by Labour. I notice Obama is facing the wrath in the USA for rising unemployment as though it was all down to him but are we as dumb over here? How will the media present it?? Is it most likely that Liebour will be back to destroying our future after the next election?

It's an impossible situation really, the only way to prove to the public that labour spending us into oblivion would have been worse would be for them to have retained power and actually done it.

Perhaps this is where the idea of democracy will start to unravel, do we need a benevolent dictator who can just get on with doing what needs to be done?

Labour in my view are winning the PR war on this front... however if there is a double dip then if they pla it well it should be easy for the coalition to avoid the blame... it would have been worse if we'd done nothing, at least we are not borrowing even more, we wouldn't have grownn under labour, the mess labour left means there will be set backs along the long long raod to recovery but borrowing more is as silly a suggestion as borrowing too much was in the first place.

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what matters is opinion in 4.5 yrs time, next GE

if, as I expect, the economy is riding high on a private sector boom, and younger generations are riding high on good jobs and houses they can afford for a good lifestyle - rental AND buying, then labour will not get re-elected

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...Are the public going to be dumb enough to buy that line or will they see how the seeds were sewn (sic) by Labour.

Not that you of course are "dumb" because you believe that the current crisis can be levelled solely at one government and one man ? No, you are clearly a wise man. You plainly see that the selling off of council houses, the de-regulation of the city and the banking industry and the systematic destruction of heavy industry by previous governments played no part in the current mess. You are to wiley to believe that many politicians of any colour are most likely corrupt or at the very least allow self-interest to trump the needs of their electorate. And thankfully you are way to smart to realize that globalization has had the effect of impoverishing many whilst enriching the lives of the already very rich and that the laws of this land re: tax evasion and avoidance are not enthusiastically enforced or made more robust because the real power-brokers in the land want to ensure that it will never happen. And thank God you realize that the system that we currently have is not a rigged one and that any objective analysis of it would not conclude that it is little more than serfdom, deliberately devised to suit the needs of the few at the expense of the many.

Truly we are blessed to have you on these boards, I urge you to keep posting....

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Labour in my view are winning the PR war on this front... however if there is a double dip then if they pla it well it should be easy for the coalition to avoid the blame... it would have been worse if we'd done nothing, at least we are not borrowing even more, we wouldn't have grownn under labour, the mess labour left means there will be set backs along the long long raod to recovery but borrowing more is as silly a suggestion as borrowing too much was in the first place.

I think pretty much the opposite. The Coalition have been fantastic so far at pinning all the blame on Labour, helped by Labour having difficulty fighting back as they were having a leadership election. But it'll be difficult to argue that the economy wouldn't have grown under Labour when, according to the stats, they've inherited the strongest growing economy for decades, whatever we think of the underlying reasons.

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With Labour constantly repeating their "cuts risk double dip" line as though a double dip isn't inevitable i'm wondering how this will play out. Are the public going to be dumb enough to buy that line or will they see how the seeds were sewn by Labour.

Yes - No.

A very smart move by Labour IMHO. If there isn't a DD they have lost nothing and if there is they will win big time

tim

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Labour pulled a masterstroke (at everyones expense) by buying up votes using borrowed money and having the Tories make people pay it back.

People will remember Labour as the party of good times and Tories as hardship.

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Unfortunately the majority of the voting public are morons, more interested in Eastenders and the X-Factor than a sober analysis of our economic problems.

Furthermore the vast growth in media and "information", inane 24 hour rolling news, has simply confused ill-informed voters who can't see the wood for the trees.

As a result politicans resort to soundbites and spin to get their "message" across.

Are Labour to blame for most of our economic problems? Absolutely.

Does the majority of the electorate understand why or care enough to find out?

No.

Welcome to Great Britain 2010

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Unfortunately the majority of the voting public are morons, more interested in Eastenders and the X-Factor than a sober analysis of our economic problems.

Furthermore the vast growth in media and "information", inane 24 hour rolling news, has simply confused ill-informed voters who can't see the wood for the trees.

As a result politicans resort to soundbites and spin to get their "message" across.

Are Labour to blame for most of our economic problems? Absolutely.

Does the majority of the electorate understand why or care enough to find out?

No.

Welcome to Great Britain 2010

Another genius...I refer you to my earlier post....

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A while ago someone posted that retailers had only ordered a fraction of the amount they normally do for christmas (which is why container shipping is flatlining instead of at full pelt) so they don't have loads of unsold stock leftover like last year!

- so if you are/need to replace christmas specific items get it done by end of november coz they will start to run out fast if they have miscalculated UK public buying pattern for this year.

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It really doesn't matter; in 4.5 years people will remember what happened in the last 6 months, so if I were them I'd get on with it all.

Nothing will stop stupid people thinking Labour are the party that never makes anyone face up to anything unpleasant because that's the truth. The next election won't be decided by what they think of Labour but by what they think of the Coalition. If things are better then labour is toast.

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Labour pulled a masterstroke (at everyones expense) by buying up votes using borrowed money and having the Tories make people pay it back.

People will remember Labour as the party of good times and Tories as hardship.

well that is exactly what labour have done and i do fear that is what will happen. Seems to be a pattern of this, perhaps as the electorate are getting dumber labours terms are lasting longer, god help us if they get back in before we've paid off ALL our debt let alone just squared the deficit (if we ever manage to and avoid the compound interest trap we've gladly been playing with the third world till now). My fear though is that the country will be paralysed with so much strike action and general pig ignorant idealism that we won't be on our feet again by the next GE, if anything i would bet that things last so long it goes full circle and we get the Tories back in with a properly bankrupt country in 10 years.

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well that is exactly what labour have done and i do fear that is what will happen. Seems to be a pattern of this, perhaps as the electorate are getting dumber labours terms are lasting longer, god help us if they get back in before we've paid off ALL our debt let alone just squared the deficit (if we ever manage to and avoid the compound interest trap we've gladly been playing with the third world till now). My fear though is that the country will be paralysed with so much strike action and general pig ignorant idealism that we won't be on our feet again by the next GE, if anything i would bet that things last so long it goes full circle and we get the Tories back in with a properly bankrupt country in 10 years.

labour did wo well because they had Tony Blair who was probably the most appealing party leader of any side since Churchill

they actually had a decent 1st term, a crappy 2nd, and only won the 3 rd GE because of (1) a skewed electoral system and (2) [iMHO] an opposition tory party who deliberatly threw the election.

Unless another TB comes along I suspect labour will struggle to win an election. Remember, labour have had only 2 people capable of winning an election in the last 50 years - Wilson and Blair. Tories had 5. Callaghan and Brown inherited the position without winning an election. This is a terrible record. You will know when labour are due another term when they get another charismatic and intelligent leader like Blair that captures the public imagination, and I don't see any right now. Chances of one cropping up in next 4 years are pretty low, whilst the piggies continue to jostle for power.

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As a socialist I loathed Blair and Nu Lab. However, what I cannot accept about postings like this is the underlying assumption that the totally inexperienced Tory incompetents or the Lib Dem hypocrites would have had either the ability or the inclination to refuse to follow the Paulson bluff and throw money at the banks and their old house prefects from Eaton now running investment banks in the city.

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As a socialist I loathed Blair and Nu Lab. However, what I cannot accept about postings like this is the underlying assumption that the totally inexperienced Tory incompetents or the Lib Dem hypocrites would have had either the ability or the inclination to refuse to follow the Paulson bluff and throw money at the banks and their old house prefects from Eaton now running investment banks in the city.

i think the tories will have done well to win a seat outside of Kensington in the next election, and am confident the next one will be before end of 2013

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This really is a totally pointless argument because (1) We all have our own entrenched positions and (2) Without a control,which is impossible,we will never know how the Darling proposals would have been at variance from the Osborne ones.

My gut reaction is that taking so much out of the economy so quickly must cause a stall.But then I tend towards Keynesian theory so those who disagree with that basic tenet will take the opposite view.I think that where I may be alone however is hoping that Osborne is right and it will work.It's a bit like bailing out the banks,I was against it but acknowledged that we just had to do it because the fallout would be so massive if we didn't.

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i think the tories will have done well to win a seat outside of Kensington in the next election, and am confident the next one will be before end of 2013

It's not Cameron who has the problem,it's Clegg.Electorally they are finished.I really think they are looking at no more than 10 MP's next time around,and I doubt that he will be one of them unless Dave parachutes him into a safe seat.

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Tories, Cut and Tax? Cut services AND cust taxes maybe.

Labour will not be elected for another ten years: They have lost the middle voters again, and the Ed Rubberband and his woodworm ridden cabinet have doomed themselves to opposition.

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It's not Cameron who has the problem,it's Clegg.Electorally they are finished.I really think they are looking at no more than 10 MP's next time around,and I doubt that he will be one of them unless Dave parachutes him into a safe seat.

but with AV we will have a new multi-party system - the libdems may be finished, but the tories and labour parties will split into two each and absorb the libdems into their liberal wings either side. Nick Clegg could be PM next. He placed his politics above his party. a classic liberal.

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