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Huhne Drops Severn Barrage To Invest In Wind Power

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/huhne-drops-severn-barrage-to-invest-in-wind-power-2108968.html

Ambitious plans to harness the power of the Severn estuary to light up one in 20 of the UK's homes are to be abandoned as a result of the Government's attempt to address the nation's deficit.

Chris Huhne, the Secretary of State for Energy, will tomorrow jettison the world's largest tidal energy project, rather than make the taxpayer foot an estimated bill of £10bn to £30bn for the untested technology.

So we are going to try rely on the unpredictable wind rather than the guaranteed tide.

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Massively dissapointing .. This idea has been around since the 70's and it's genius .. what better thing can we give to our children? A barrage which would give them power for ever for minimal enviormental impact or a load of nuclear waste ?

Now I doubt we will ever build it .. but I'd happily have traded the Olympics, The channel tunnel and our nuclear power to have this instead .. The truth is it should have been built 30 years ago ..

If I remember correctly the barrage would have made enough electricity to power 3/4 of western europe 30 years ago .. (so not so much now but easily the UK and France .. )

I'd happily pay a 100% levy on my fuel bills for five years to build this .. It's the only public works project that has ever made sense to me ..

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Massively dissapointing .. This idea has been around since the 70's and it's genius .. what better thing can we give to our children? A barrage which would give them power for ever for minimal enviormental impact or a load of nuclear waste ?

Now I doubt we will ever build it .. but I'd happily have traded the Olympics, The channel tunnel and our nuclear power to have this instead .. The truth is it should have been built 30 years ago ..

If I remember correctly the barrage would have made enough electricity to power 3/4 of western europe 30 years ago .. (so not so much now but easily the UK and France .. )

I'd happily pay a 100% levy on my fuel bills for five years to build this .. It's the only public works project that has ever made sense to me ..

Absolutely, this type of spending would at least filter to those who wish to work, (and not bankers), also a certain German had plans for this barrage in the 40's! Only plus side we wont have to put up with enviromentalists forcing govt to spend our cash fighting it thru, we have a former dump in Bristol that they are trying to get classified as a village green rather than have a stadium built onit so that pretty much sums up the crass nimbyism that is Bristol planning !

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We, or rather our governments, are so often very short sighted in this country. A few environmental groups will be breathing a sigh of relief, but they are equally short sighted with regard to the 'big picture'

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Massively dissapointing .. This idea has been around since the 70's and it's genius .. what better thing can we give to our children? A barrage which would give them power for ever for minimal enviormental impact or a load of nuclear waste ?

Now I doubt we will ever build it .. but I'd happily have traded the Olympics, The channel tunnel and our nuclear power to have this instead .. The truth is it should have been built 30 years ago ..

If I remember correctly the barrage would have made enough electricity to power 3/4 of western europe 30 years ago .. (so not so much now but easily the UK and France .. )

I'd happily pay a 100% levy on my fuel bills for five years to build this .. It's the only public works project that has ever made sense to me ..

Agreed. Reliable, predictable source of power unlike wind which doesn't blow when you want it to, especially in summer and winter when high pressure sits over the UK for days on end.

I suspect they want to pander to those who think the wading birds might get a bit upset about it.

But they'll be the first to complain when the lights go out

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Huhne symbolises the sell out of the lib dems. No to tidal and yes to nuclear.... was that in the manifesto then boys .?

I look forward to a decimation (actually more than the traditional Roman meaning of that word !) of the lib dem vote at the next election.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/huhne-drops-severn-barrage-to-invest-in-wind-power-2108968.html

So we are going to try rely on the unpredictable wind rather than the guaranteed tide.

Oh no nothing like that, we're going to build eight next generation nuclear power plants. With technology that will now be imported from abroad now that the Forgemasters loan was refused. And in direct contravention of the LibDem manifesto.

These LibDems eh! Good aren't they.

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We need a big AND here.

The severn barrage

AND more nuclear power stations

AND more wind farms

AND more of other things from wave and solar power to energy efficiency.

How about some scheme to give tax breaks for private investment in that Severn barrage?

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We need a big AND here.

The severn barrage

AND more nuclear power stations

AND more wind farms

AND more of other things from wave and solar power to energy efficiency.

How about some scheme to give tax breaks for private investment in that Severn barrage?

Couldn't agree more but.......

Labour presided over the destruction of the wind power technology sector

Coalition have had a good bash at the specialist nuclear technology sector

One thing they all seem to agree on is whatever technology is required to drive us forward should not be manufactured here

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Maybe they're biding their time and waiting to see the outcome of this?

Underwater turbines

Can be deployed piecemeal, you don't have to build a whole barrage to get some power, and promises to be much cheaper. Seems they can't finance the barrage.

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Maybe they're biding their time and waiting to see the outcome of this?

Underwater turbines

Can be deployed piecemeal, you don't have to build a whole barrage to get some power, and promises to be much cheaper. Seems they can't finance the barrage.

Good stuff. We'll get it working then have the things manufactured in Taiwan.

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If I remember correctly the barrage would have made enough electricity to power 3/4 of western europe 30 years ago .. (so not so much now but easily the UK and France .. )

3/4 of Wales.

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I see Chris Huhne's point, but I think he is wrong. We need the barrage as it is clean energy and uses relatively tested technology. Windpower is by its very nature unreliable and we don't have a decent way of storing electricity, so we'd have to have gas turbines on standby for when the wind stops blowing, it is just as unpopular as the barrage. Solar would be wonderful but current technology is not cost effective in this country because it works on narrow frequency bands ( visible ) that are attenuated by cloud, you need to use a much broader spectrum to be effective here ( like plants do ).

"This Government just doesn't have a coherent energy policy. Nuclear power can't deliver the necessary short-term emissions reductions. We need far more investment in both conservation and renewables, including supporting infrastructure like the port upgrades the Government is talking about scrapping."

Caroline Lucas, Green Party MP for Brighton

Is Caroline Lucas for or against it? She doesn't say, but it sounds like she is for it.

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Great news. Another massive-impact, low-return idiotic idea scrapped, although at least it was a far better idea than a load of wind turbines (still had the problem on where the power was going to come from when the tide turns though). Bring on nuclear and scrap these ridiculous schemes. We don't need a mix when one small nuclear power station can produce more electricity than every stupid wind turbine planned, and do it all day every day.

When it comes to wind I really thought that last winter should've forced all but the biggest nutcases to drop the idea. Very cold weather, presumably high electricity demand, and very little wind. If we'd been relying on that we'd have frozen.

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should have skipped paying off the bankstas and paid for more useful projects like this one

better yet , foreign aid is 4 billion a year , scrap that and in 2 1/2 years you'd have the 10 billion at hand

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I don't think the Severn Barrage should be dropped completely but since the large-scale offshore wind schemes are already under way or green-lighted, they should get priority. The Barrage would have provided 5% of our total electricity needs (or 7% depending on where you look). That would have been enough to power the complete rail network in this country if it was all electrified (yes, I did the sums after finding all the required figures).

As for nuclear, uranium is a finite resource like oil and gas. I found the figure that known reserves of recoverable uranium are about 80 years at current consumptuion. The world nuclear power industry is expanding, so consumption is likely to go up - which puts 'peak uranium' in the same rough time frame as peak oil and peak gas. I think new-build nuclear should be limited to replacing existing nuclear stations as they become obsolete/

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As for nuclear, uranium is a finite resource like oil and gas. I found the figure that known reserves of recoverable uranium are about 80 years at current consumptuion.

Only going by known reserves recoverable with current methods is very, very much a pessimistic worst-case scenario.

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As for nuclear, uranium is a finite resource like oil and gas. I found the figure that known reserves of recoverable uranium are about 80 years at current consumptuion. The world nuclear power industry is expanding, so consumption is likely to go up - which puts 'peak uranium' in the same rough time frame as peak oil and peak gas. I think new-build nuclear should be limited to replacing existing nuclear stations as they become obsolete/

You are forgetting, of course, that Uranium is very much an under-explored mineral, especially compared with oil and gas, and hence 'peak' estimates are very much that, and that is before things like breeders and throium reactors are considered.

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You are forgetting, of course, that Uranium is very much an under-explored mineral, especially compared with oil and gas, and hence 'peak' estimates are very much that, and that is before things like breeders and throium reactors are considered.

The best source is in aborginal sacred ground... That aint going anywhere without a major fight.

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