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This just in from one of our “whistleblowers” inside a Council in the East Of England.

'For reasons of protecting the identity of our “source” we have removed any reference that could lead to him/her

I started working in the council tax department in 2007. After a training period of around 4 months i was considered trained to a sufficient standard, and was let loose.

I noticed immediately the attitude of 90% of my co-workers. It was very negative. Typically, they were very confrontational with the tax payers, the people we were employed to help (allegedly).

It quickly became quite clear that the behaviour of the council tax machine was infkuenced by one thing: collection rates.

Its worth noting that the target rate is around 99%. In fact, its probably worth noting a few things at this point:

there are 8 bands of council tax, A-H, H being the highest

A= £950 pa, B= £1120 pa, C= 1300 pa D= £1450 and so on

In the time that I’ve been there, i’ve learned a lot.

I’ve learned several ways that people shoot themselves in the foot, and i’ve learned the ways that people can avoid paying, and often get away with it.

1.If you’ve applied for any type of housing or council tax benefit in the financial year, you have inadvertantly agreed to pay council tax. not nice, but now you know. Always read the small print.

2.When you receive your council tax bill for the forthcoming financial year, if it does not include a little booklet (usually A5) the bill is not valid.

3.For any bill to be valid, it needs to be considered as ’served’. Returned mail is not considered ’served’.

4.Like it or not, council tax is actually due in full on 01 April every year, as per the Local Government Finance Act 1992. Councils offer a monthly installment scheme as advised by central goverment.

5.Once you start paying for any financial year, you’ve already accepted the services being offered, so if you dont want to pay, dont pay at all. Look up ‘deemed contracts’ – similar thing.

6.If you get summoned to court, the summons is only considered served if it not returned to the council. If the summons is returned to the council, it is invlalid, and no court hearing will go ahead. Very simple.

7.No court hearing = no enforcement, AT ALL.

8.once a court hearing goes ahead, the council are obliged to collect the money by any means: bailiff, attachment of earnings, charging order – i can expand on these at length if you want me to.

I dont agree with any of the above, but i do know a lot about it, so i invite you to use my knowledge as a resource. If its council tax related, i’ve done it. If its bailiff questions, I probbly know the answer. If you need to know about how the council trace you, I know this too. I know what will work, and what wont and am happy to share my knowledge with you.

“We will be bringing you a lot more from our source and its surprising now how many good people there are in the councils who are now coming forward and talking to us – thanks again to our source for this intro”

If you are a Council Employee and you are fed up with the way that Councils abuse the rest of us then I encourage you to come forward – drop us line here at the site by adding a comment to a post – we wont publish it – but we will contact you and rest assured your identity, if you choose to give it, will remain secret at all times.

Watch this space – this is going to get exciting and we are going to learn the real truth – from the inside!'

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English Freeman Standing In Court – Gloucester Court 29th Jan 2010 – Part 1

Posted on 03 April 2010 by admin

This is the first part of the video for the Freeman Standing in Court – Gloucester – Jan 2010I’ll let the words of Sarah of the Family Godliman speak as she was the person I was standing for – take it away Sarah …

The day started with myself and Captain Scarlet meeting up with Pigdogs partner Muchly jip and heading into the city centre to meet Rebel leader and the others.

Settling at costas for coffees, we went through our paperwork and just chatted about our strategy, Pigdog arrived and we made sure we were all set for the fun ahead!

The hearing was at 11.30am so just before 11am we all started to make our way to the Magistrates court which was a short walk from the coffee house.

On our way down we met up with some more freedom rebels (Greame, Pippa and Cossask) who said they had already been down to the courts and were asked if they were there for the demonstration! We were amazed!

We decided to go into the courts in small groups with myself going in with Rebel leader and Nutty Norm as the last group.

When we got in we were told that we would be seen by a council official before going into the court room.

At 11.30am we put in a NOUICOR and told them that they had 30mins to rebut, then we waited to find out when we were going to get to meet with the council official,

We were then surprised when 4 police men/women came in, stab vest and utility belts strapped, giving us all the eye and grinning.

Just before 11.30am we were called into the court room, we made our way through the show of force and, having no fear we thanked them for their presence.

On entering the court room RL asked if we would get a fair hearing under common law? He was assured that we would, we entered the court room and stood at the back saying we were quite comfortable and could see and hear fine.

RL asked if we could see the magistrates oath, they we’re not happy with this and started grumbling that they did not want to go down this line of questioning, it was with this that the clerk of justices said that we should take his word for it! RL said that if we could just see the oaths we could proceed with the matter and settle it, at this the Magistrates got up and left! When asked if they were coming back the clerk said yes and scurried off, as a consequence the council representative was left in the court room with twelve freedom rebels!!!!

We asked why we hadn’t received the courtesy of a meeting with the council official before we went into Gloucester court and the councillor, Mr Deveraux, turned round and said we did not have the meeting before the hearing because we have already heard of you! At this time he was looking rather flustered and alone and it was to his obvious relief the magistrates came back, the call to rise went out and we all stayed as we were.

The magistrates said “We are going to carry on with the proceedings”, trying to ignore us, but RL continued to ask for their oath of office. Once again the magistrates got up and left the court!!! We asked if the ship had been abandoned and again the clerk said “No” and scurried off.

Again they came back by which time we had asked one of the officers out side to come into the court room in case we needed to make an arrest (he he)!

The magistrates again tried ignore us saying “If Mr Gxxxxxxx would stop interrupting” ( we all quietly laughed as they had just called RL Mr Gxxxxxxx! I don’t remember marrying him!) “we can proceed!” and then went straight to Mr Devreaux who proceeded to go through claims made against my legal fiction, he also stated that he had signed the summons! LIES!

Nutty norm informed the magistrates that payments had been made which flustered Mr Deveraux, at which point he said yes but not with cash.

The magistrates asked Mr Deveraux about this he replied that he had had a direct debit slip sent into him a4v’d, but he was saying that this is not a remittance slip (well what is it then?) and that he had replied by refusing this! Nutty norm pointed out that they should look up the bills of exchange act on this matter, and the magistrates turned to Mr deveraux saying that he should do this.

RL asked the magistrates if it would help if the “persons” involved would come forward, they said yes and RL presented them with the birth certificate of Rhapsodys legal fiction, they muttered amongst them selves and said they were leaving court again!

When they came back RL tried to establish the lawfulness of their position at which point the magistrate said that this matter was going nowhere and the courts were to be cleared.

Upon this loads of police officers came into the courts and proceeded to usher us out of the door, RL said there was no need for this as we were there peacefully and lawfully and that there was no need for this show of force as we would leave as soon as we had our documentation returned to us.

On leaving the courts peacefully we all filed round to the police station to file a compliant about the police heavy handedness. When we got there the policeman at the desk said there was no-one there to deal with us as they were all next door for us! He was laughing and appeared quite amused so we waited while they sent someone through.

While we were waiting a young woman approached and asked what was going on ? Well it just so happened that she was from the independent police complaints agency so we informed her of our complaints of police heavy handedness.

RL and NuttyNorm had gone into the interview room to lodge the complaint to the Sergeant that was present in the court room, meanwhile we carried on talking to the woman from the complaints agency, she gave us her card and said that if we were in court again for the same issues that she would come too or send one of her colleagues along.

This would be to make sure that we were getting treated according to the oath that the police take when they join the force. We thanked her and told her that we would help her with her council tax bill if she needed it, she said that “That would be WONDERFUL!!!!”

It was at this point that we left the police station, took some pictures outside and then went to the Cafe Rene for refreshments, interviews and to summarize what had just happened.

We got there and settled down chatting about it all, after a while we went outside to do some video interviews and take some more photos. What we didn’t expect was, to our amazement, we saw the clerk of justices sat on the benches having coffee with Mr Deveraux, the councillor who had supposedly signed my summons and refused my offer of payment!!!!!

Surely that can’t be right……….. can it?

Both Myself and CS would like to thank all of the team that turned up, we cannot thank Rebel Leader, Nuttynorm, JAYDEE, Greame, Pippa, Cossak, our great friends Muchlyjip, Pigdog and Geordie and thanks also to Vicky for the moral support.

Thanks also to those too numerous to mention that could not make it to this but maybe next time eh!

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This just in from one of our “whistleblowers” inside a Council in the East Of England.

'For reasons of protecting the identity of our “source” we have removed any reference that could lead to him/her

I started working in the council tax department in 2007. After a training period of around 4 months i was considered trained to a sufficient standard, and was let loose.

I noticed immediately the attitude of 90% of my co-workers. It was very negative. Typically, they were very confrontational with the tax payers, the people we were employed to help (allegedly).

It quickly became quite clear that the behaviour of the council tax machine was infkuenced by one thing: collection rates.

Its worth noting that the target rate is around 99%. In fact, its probably worth noting a few things at this point:

there are 8 bands of council tax, A-H, H being the highest

A= £950 pa, B= £1120 pa, C= 1300 pa D= £1450 and so on

In the time that I’ve been there, i’ve learned a lot.

I’ve learned several ways that people shoot themselves in the foot, and i’ve learned the ways that people can avoid paying, and often get away with it.

1.If you’ve applied for any type of housing or council tax benefit in the financial year, you have inadvertantly agreed to pay council tax. not nice, but now you know. Always read the small print.

2.When you receive your council tax bill for the forthcoming financial year, if it does not include a little booklet (usually A5) the bill is not valid.

3.For any bill to be valid, it needs to be considered as ’served’. Returned mail is not considered ’served’.

4.Like it or not, council tax is actually due in full on 01 April every year, as per the Local Government Finance Act 1992. Councils offer a monthly installment scheme as advised by central goverment.

5.Once you start paying for any financial year, you’ve already accepted the services being offered, so if you dont want to pay, dont pay at all. Look up ‘deemed contracts’ – similar thing.

6.If you get summoned to court, the summons is only considered served if it not returned to the council. If the summons is returned to the council, it is invlalid, and no court hearing will go ahead. Very simple.

7.No court hearing = no enforcement, AT ALL.

8.once a court hearing goes ahead, the council are obliged to collect the money by any means: bailiff, attachment of earnings, charging order – i can expand on these at length if you want me to.

I dont agree with any of the above, but i do know a lot about it, so i invite you to use my knowledge as a resource. If its council tax related, i’ve done it. If its bailiff questions, I probbly know the answer. If you need to know about how the council trace you, I know this too. I know what will work, and what wont and am happy to share my knowledge with you.

“We will be bringing you a lot more from our source and its surprising now how many good people there are in the councils who are now coming forward and talking to us – thanks again to our source for this intro”

If you are a Council Employee and you are fed up with the way that Councils abuse the rest of us then I encourage you to come forward – drop us line here at the site by adding a comment to a post – we wont publish it – but we will contact you and rest assured your identity, if you choose to give it, will remain secret at all times.

Watch this space – this is going to get exciting and we are going to learn the real truth – from the inside!'

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Hi Scott

Just read your thread about how to avoid paying Council Tac (CT), particularly if you send back the letters and/or summons. However, what explanation or endorsement would you write on the envelope(s) before you send them back?

Regards

freeman1975

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