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And be a... ... ... (drums roll) an immigrant !

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FGS...

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Edit: Little detail, over there "engineer" means engineere really, a university degree. (Just in case you are using the less "demanding" English meaning.) It's a cultural thing, you see? You may have to "integrate" this one too.

Don't tell me you live up to your name :P

I've been to Germany several times - great place. All too aware of the pros and cons. And I'm a 'real' engineer, thanks. You probably wouldn't understand half the things I could tell you - after all it's real productive work with advanced post-graduate theories behind it! :P

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Don't tell me you live up to your name :P

I've been to Germany several times - great place. All too aware of the pros and cons. And I'm a 'real' engineer, thanks. You probably wouldn't understand half the things I could tell you - after all it's real productive work with advanced post-graduate theories behind it! :P

Do you have an university degree in Engineering?

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+ Nazi Art museum opens in Berlin.

And so it begins. Why is it always the Germans that scapegoat foreigners first? I don't find anything positive about this statement at all. This just shows me what I have always said about Germany - that it is a coiled spring kept calm by opulence, remove that opulence/wealth and you have trouble with a capital T.

+ We find out in Wednesday that the RAF no longer exists. We're going right back to the start, all over again. No lessons learned.

> Rhineland + Austria + Ba-varia (Austerity!)

> Franks

> Masons/Teutonic Knights

> Illuminati (started by a CATHOLIC Jesuit Weishaupt

"Weishaupt joined the Freemasons in 1774, but quickly became disillusioned and dropped-out. On the first of May, 1776, Weishaupt founded a secret Order of Illuminati (built on the base of a secret student society) Weishaupt called himself "SPARTICUS" Bavarian Uni Ingoldstat

In 1777 Weishaupt had re-entered the Freemasons in hopes of gaining useful lore for his own Order -- and in hopes of tapping-off new members. Whether by original design or evolved purpose, the idea was conceived to for Illuminati members to penetrate the highest Masonic grades to take control of the Lodges. In this way, Masons receptive to Illuminati ideas could be initiated into the highest Orders and less receptive members left to the lower Orders -- and subjected to more dilute truths & convenient fabrications.

> Hapsburgs

Remember the Teutonic 'Prussian officer' habit of demanding a post to the Front to get awarded the "Iron Cross"

> House of Rothschild

Freiberg(Freetown) first (unprotected) non-industrial Uni town bombed in Germany during 2nd WW!

Franz Mesmer was born on May 23, 1734, in the village of Itznang, Switzerland. At age 15 he entered the Jesuit College at Dillingen in Bavaria, and from there he went in 1752 to the Jesuit University of Ingolstadt

Mesmer(ised) developed forerunner of Hypnotism due to the trances he could put his patients in!

While undergoing this scientific transformation in the 19th century, mesmerism, in other quarters, became more closely associated with occultism, spiritualism, and faith healing, providing in the last instance the basis for Christian Science.

Sigmund Freud was also based in these areas and Universities!

Hitler appears from this area - was he a hypnotised corporal - dealing out "Corporal Punishment" - has the wit of the masons about it!

"The spear of destiny" is kept in the Hapsburgs Treasure house Schatzkammer of Vienna. It is supposedly the lance the roman soldier pierced Yahweh with on the cross!

The lance is mentioned only in the Gospel of John (19:31­37)(Masonic connection again!) and not in any of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://www.crystalinks.com/speardestiny.html

In this tiny geographical area of the World all these and many more started!

It's the "Centre of their World" according to these "Light" Bearers-it's also where the Celtic/viking cultures met!

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Do you have an university degree in Engineering?

Not that's it's any of your business, but yes. 1st class MEng with Hons from Edinburgh - electronics and electrical (plus 3 prizes, a research paper and more). Plus an MSc in advanced semiconductor design. Willy waving over? :lol:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel: "lmmigrants should learn to speak German"

Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.

She said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work, and immigrants needed to do more to integrate - including learning German.

The comments come amid rising anti-immigration feeling in Germany.

A recent survey suggested more than 30% of people believed the country was "overrun by foreigners".

The study - by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think-tank - also showed that roughly the same number thought that some 16 million of Germany's immigrants or people with foreign origins had come to the country for its social benefits.

Foreign workers Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country."

She added: "We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality."

"And of course, the approach [to build] a multicultural [society] and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other... has failed, utterly failed."

In her speech in Potsdam, however, the chancellor made clear that immigrants were welcome in Germany.

She specifically referred to recent comments by German President Christian Wulff who said that Islam was "part of Germany", like Christianity and Judaism.

Mrs Merkel said: "We should not be a country either which gives the impression to the outside world that those who don't speak German immediately or who were not raised speaking German are not welcome here."

Nationalism on the rise again in Germany (led by it's ruling party) alongside increasing protectionism and currency wars. The bankers and arms manufacturers must be rubbing their hands................

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Went on a school exchange to Bonn as a teenager, going in and out of the city I had to change trains at a station in a Turkish area. Got a load of abuse for being white from turkish youths on the platform one time, to the point that one kid of about 9 ran up behind me and kicked me in the back of the legs as I boarded the train. I was prevented from giving him a clip round the ear by the German lass I was with at the time. Luckily, as she quickly informed me, she knew that the idea was for me to give him a thump so his older mates had an excuse to give me a kicking.

So, in my limited personal experience of multiculturalism in Germany I'd say I'd have to err on the side of what Merkel says.

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Even the most pro immigration liberals rarely choose to put down roots in ethnic areas. Where do Clegg, Cable and all the other mass immigration cheerleaders live?

Exactly. Just as it ever was.

How many immigrants do you think can't speak English?! A handful of grannies! Get real people! FGS.

Well you're just plain wrong on that.

Makes me wonder where you're getting your "information" from. I live in Slough. In the heart of a ghetto actually. I can assure you that many many people in Slough do not speak any English.

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Nationalism on the rise again in Germany (led by it's ruling party) alongside increasing protectionism and currency wars. The bankers and arms manufacturers must be rubbing their hands................

They knew damn well it would fail - even mentions in the Bible God made people speak different tongues so they could not understand each other and sent them wandering to different areas (now countries?) of the earth!

It takes a couple of generations of being born into the culture for them to integrate - even longer/never if their cultural priests forbid them to freely associate!

It's a very nasty experiment designed to cause tensions by letting so many flood in (and not be protected on a temporary basis) all at once!

It was the greed of the Elites undermining paypackets, up their profits and take away the benefits of ordinary workers who fought so hard for them over the last 100yrs!

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Nationalism on the rise again in Germany (led by it's ruling party) alongside increasing protectionism and currency wars. The bankers and arms manufacturers must be rubbing their hands................

Aah the bitter after taste of corporate socialism.

Someone benefited from all the imigration perhaps it was the champagne socialists with their illegal foreign migrant dirt cheap nannies and housekeepers.

I know an english couple whose nanny for their kids hardly speaks any english - funilly enough nor do the kids I reckon we should chuck the family out for not integrating properly.

Socialism always ends up in abject failure - nothing changes.

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Nationalism on the rise again in Germany (led by it's ruling party) alongside increasing protectionism and currency wars. The bankers and arms manufacturers must be rubbing their hands................

Sounds right to me, as it does here.

When young lads born in this country and given all the rights and all the priviledges of the native population if not more, decide they want to blow up buses and trains full of innocent people you know something is wrong.

Multicultralism has not worked en masse. There are certain cultures which have blended in beautifully and contributed to society for instance the Chinese, Japenese and Sikhs but others from regions such as Africa and those with aliegence to islam have been a total and utter disaster.

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I'm in favour of immigration in principle, indeed I'm seriously trying to leave the UK myself, but I'm not a fan of the way it has been practiced in the UK.

I can't see why anyone would want to move to a country and not learn the language. In the UK not speaking english seems to be encouraged; a lot of money is spent translating forms and other paperwork into a multitude of languages.

I've looked at moving to other European countries and none of the forms that need to be filled in are translated into other languages.

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How long untl UK politicans admit multiculturalism doesnt work?!...

We should be admitting those who can contribute to the economy, but not those who dont. For example 50% of muslim men and 75% of muslim women don't work, yet they the fastest growing group in the UK. How can this be a positive?

Fair play to Germany for saying it like it is, and not the politically correct way.

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Nationalism on the rise again in Germany (led by it's ruling party) alongside increasing protectionism and currency wars. The bankers and arms manufacturers must be rubbing their hands................

This time we wont be declaring war to stop them but following their ideology.

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Not that's it's any of your business, but yes. 1st class MEng with Hons from Edinburgh - electronics and electrical (plus 3 prizes, a research paper and more). Plus an MSc in advanced semiconductor design. Willy waving over? :lol:

Excellent. Congratulations. In this case you are culturally closer to Germans than to the English. And you will probably do fine there. In your case, I would definitely go. (And if you are white, they'll probably reject you less.)

Hold on, Edinburgh? If you are not English, then it is a different matter. You have much less of the "gentleman amateur" malarkey over there. Not by coincidence that the Enlightenment here was main Scottish based.

Anyway, my main point is that "culture" has very little to do with skin colour, or even religion. In many aspects the English have much more in common with other commonwealth nations, India and Pakistan included, than with the Continent. A major point being fudging v. order. We don't even have a written constitution FGS. Explain that in Germany.

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> Rhineland + Austria + Ba-varia (Austerity!)

> Franks

> Masons/Teutonic Knights

> Illuminati (started by a CATHOLIC Jesuit Weishaupt

"Weishaupt joined the Freemasons in 1774, but quickly became disillusioned and dropped-out. On the first of May, 1776, Weishaupt founded a secret Order of Illuminati (built on the base of a secret student society) Weishaupt called himself "SPARTICUS" Bavarian Uni Ingoldstat

In 1777 Weishaupt had re-entered the Freemasons in hopes of gaining useful lore for his own Order -- and in hopes of tapping-off new members. Whether by original design or evolved purpose, the idea was conceived to for Illuminati members to penetrate the highest Masonic grades to take control of the Lodges. In this way, Masons receptive to Illuminati ideas could be initiated into the highest Orders and less receptive members left to the lower Orders -- and subjected to more dilute truths & convenient fabrications.

> Hapsburgs

Remember the Teutonic 'Prussian officer' habit of demanding a post to the Front to get awarded the "Iron Cross"

> House of Rothschild

Freiberg(Freetown) first (unprotected) non-industrial Uni town bombed in Germany during 2nd WW!

Franz Mesmer was born on May 23, 1734, in the village of Itznang, Switzerland. At age 15 he entered the Jesuit College at Dillingen in Bavaria, and from there he went in 1752 to the Jesuit University of Ingolstadt

Mesmer(ised) developed forerunner of Hypnotism due to the trances he could put his patients in!

While undergoing this scientific transformation in the 19th century, mesmerism, in other quarters, became more closely associated with occultism, spiritualism, and faith healing, providing in the last instance the basis for Christian Science.

Sigmund Freud was also based in these areas and Universities!

Hitler appears from this area - was he a hypnotised corporal - dealing out "Corporal Punishment" - has the wit of the masons about it!

"The spear of destiny" is kept in the Hapsburgs Treasure house Schatzkammer of Vienna. It is supposedly the lance the roman soldier pierced Yahweh with on the cross!

The lance is mentioned only in the Gospel of John (19:31­37)(Masonic connection again!) and not in any of the Synoptic Gospels.

http://www.crystalin...eardestiny.html

In this tiny geographical area of the World all these and many more started!

It's the "Centre of their World" according to these "Light" Bearers-it's also where the Celtic/viking cultures met!

Thanks for your helpful post as always erranta.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1321277/Multiculturalism-Germany-utterly-failed-claims-Chancellor-Angela-Merkel.html

Multiculturalism in Germany has 'utterly failed', claims Chancellor Angela Merkel By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 2:58 PM on 17th October 2010
'Too little required of immigrants' says tough-talking Christian Democrat leader
Germany's attempt to create a multicultural society has 'utterly failed', according to Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Merkel’s comments have added fuel to a debate over immigration and Islam polarising her conservative camp.
Speaking to a meeting of young members of her Christian Democrats (CDU), Merkel said allowing people of different cultural backgrounds to live side by side without integrating had not worked in a country that is home to some four million Muslims.
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I am not so sure Blair/Brown's big push for multicultural Britain is working that well here either.

I wonder if the Germans will try to find a solution tp prevent their country from fragmenting? And was Hegel right in suggesting history repeats over and over again.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8068745/Immigration-cap-is-bad-for-UK-business-say-government-advisors.html

Immigration cap is bad for UK business, say government advisors
The Government's immigration cap is facing fresh pressure after evidence from one of its own business advisory committees shows the damage it is doing to UK businesses.
By Kamal Ahmed
Published: 9:00PM BST 16 Oct 2010
One City law firm says it needs employees from Japan and the US to maintain its competitive edge The evidence reveals that one leading City law firm has been set a cap that is lower than the number of people it needs to hire from outside Europe. The firm says that the employees from Japan and the US are vital if it is to maintain its global competitive edge.

If mass immigration and consequential multiculturalism is good for profits it must therefore be good for all of us. I suppose. :blink:

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I've always thought that there is something illogical and philosophically wrong with the concept of a group of people living and working together but all having different cultural values. I struggle to find a word to express it but when we work in a group it is important to be "on the same page". It is easy to see with such things as humor or religion but it goes even deeper so that as a task becomes more difficult or dangerous then the group can lose cohesiveness because of a different mind-set or behavioural expectation.

To be quite candid it is an ideological fantasy sold to people who have never really done anything much with their lives (academics) and therefore have no knowledge of real and especially real, dangerous and difficult situations or tasks. It is the naive academics telling the tradesman how to do the plumbing or lay bricks or telling soldiers how to fight a war. Sadly we have to lose a few wars and endure a failed economy before common sense kicks in.

It is one of those unexpected consequences of integration of other cultures into a base culture that the base culture gets lost and undefined and the members of that culture feel disconnected from the protection of the group and so act for their own interest as opposed to the interest of the group. This leads to group failure.

It is worth noting that the ruling elites are a cohesive culture and do not allow dilution of their own while encouraging the dilution of those groups that most threaten them. It's called "divide and conquer". You are being kept in your place, for your own good, of course. Ruling elites were never so threatened as they were directly after WWII with the global rise of socialism. Immigration was never an issue before WWII.

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I think the Hun is worried about being overun with millions of turk muslims when turkey comes into the EU. I am worried that if our benefit system is tightened we will lose out on the new influx of millions of turks coming into the UK. We need them to keep our NHS going

Hospital kebab shops? :huh:

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