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If unite stop funding the idiots at BA or the LAbour party and fund all this legal actions for the HP staff, then as a right winger I might well support them in this action.

If they do not fund the legal case then why would anybody ever join a Union.

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Do you know what? This is my sector of industry and I can honestly say 'fucking bring it on!!!' If you (HP) wanna bring your 'cheap' workforce over here then I'll gladly swap with the void over in Ch/India. Hell no, the cost of living will be a damn sight cheaper!! dry.gif

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If unite stop funding the idiots at BA or the LAbour party and fund all this legal actions for the HP staff, then as a right winger I might well support them in this action.

If they do not fund the legal case then why would anybody ever join a Union.

The unions are as much to blame for what is going on same as labour and now the conservatives will use it to their interests, they have all encouraged mass imigration of overseas workers knowing there are not enough jobs for the natives.Its all going to end in tears :angry:

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The unions are as much to blame for what is going on same as labour and now the conservatives will use it to their interests, they have all encouraged mass imigration of overseas workers knowing there are not enough jobs for the natives.Its all going to end in tears :angry:

I agree with your comments apart from the conservatives. They seem to have worked out the issue and have included ICT's including ICTS already in the country when they come up for renewal in the visa numbers.

A lot of the bleating in the press by big business over the past few weeks is because the ICT visa in the country that need renewing count to the 24,000 limit on immigration visas.

If they stand firm it will be a good thing.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8059709/Hewlett-Packard-denies-hiring-overseas-staff-in-Britain.html

If unite stop funding the idiots at BA or the LAbour party and fund all this legal actions for the HP staff, then as a right winger I might well support them in this action.

If they do not fund the legal case then why would anybody ever join a Union.

HP are not the only ones running that little scam

Redundancy means that a particular job has gone from a particular location (ie the person is laid off because his services are no longer required to do a particular set of tasks at a particular place). Obviously if another person is engaged a week later to do exactly the same work in the same place then the job was not redundant and there may be a claim for unfair dismissal.

This particular racket is tacitly encouraged by the UK government who allow employers to pay the travel, housing and subsistence costs of these overseas workers for up to 24 months tax free (ie as a deductible expense). Most European governments restrict this relief to 6-12 months. The staff engaged from abroad are paid their salaries in their home countries and so pay no UK PAYE or NIC. In effect they occupy UK jobs, use services provided by the UK taxpayer and pay nothing in return except the VAT on their expenditure. It is a tax fiddle more than a globalised wage arbitrage. If these overseas workers and their employers had to pay their housing, travel and other costs out of taxed income then there would be almost no cost advantage of bringing them here.

Of course, the companies would still have the option of full overseas outsourcing but that is more risky, difficult to organise and expensive to run than many realise which is why many corporations prefer the internal staff transfer from abroad routine

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This particular racket is tacitly encouraged by the UK government who allow employers to pay the travel, housing and subsistence costs of these overseas workers for up to 24 months tax free (ie as a deductible expense). Most European governments restrict this relief to 6-12 months. The staff engaged from abroad are paid their salaries in their home countries and so pay no UK PAYE or NIC. In effect they occupy UK jobs, use services provided by the UK taxpayer and pay nothing in return except the VAT on their expenditure. It is a tax fiddle more than a globalised wage arbitrage. If these overseas workers and their employers had to pay their housing, travel and other costs out of taxed income then there would be almost no cost advantage of bringing them here.

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There is no evidence that we were not complying with the visa regulations."

But were they complying with UK redundancy regulations for UK workers. The red herring answer of avoidance strongly suggests they weren't complying.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8059709/Hewlett-Packard-denies-hiring-overseas-staff-in-Britain.html

If unite stop funding the idiots at BA or the LAbour party and fund all this legal actions for the HP staff, then as a right winger I might well support them in this action.

If they do not fund the legal case then why would anybody ever join a Union.

You want a free market in labour, here it is in action. Funny how many mouthpieces for laissez faire free market capitalism are up in arms now the kinds of jobs they might be making a living from are at threat.

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I agree with your comments apart from the conservatives. They seem to have worked out the issue and have included ICT's including ICTS already in the country when they come up for renewal in the visa numbers.

A lot of the bleating in the press by big business over the past few weeks is because the ICT visa in the country that need renewing count to the 24,000 limit on immigration visas.

If they stand firm it will be a good thing.

I to hope they stick to their numbers, but when it comes to pressure from companies they may give way due to interests some may have. I know same as a lot of people know these people bleating about the caps is purely about bringing cheaper skills into the country.

We have the same bleating about unskilled workers working the fields in Lincolnshire and all over the country from farmers but we did not need these immigrants 40years ago to pick our crops. It is true what the farmers say they cannot get british to do the job now, but that is because the benefit system has made people relutant to do these jobs.

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You want a free market in labour, here it is in action.

It's not a free market: how can a UK worker do the same job without paying any tax?

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Our unions seem to have forgotten that they can strike. Look across the channel and French unions and workers are standing up for themselves.

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Our unions seem to have forgotten that they can strike. Look across the channel and French unions and workers are standing up for themselves.

Er, have you seen the legislation on strikes in the UK?

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You want a free market in labour, here it is in action. Funny how many mouthpieces for laissez faire free market capitalism are up in arms now the kinds of jobs they might be making a living from are at threat.

+1 - I've noticed that too :rolleyes:

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The IT industry appears to be getting decimated by this stuff and the government should start defending UK workers rights.

:lol:

Where do you think we live? North Korea or something?

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HP are not the only ones running that little scam

Redundancy means that a particular job has gone from a particular location (ie the person is laid off because his services are no longer required to do a particular set of tasks at a particular place). Obviously if another person is engaged a week later to do exactly the same work in the same place then the job was not redundant and there may be a claim for unfair dismissal.

This particular racket is tacitly encouraged by the UK government who allow employers to pay the travel, housing and subsistence costs of these overseas workers for up to 24 months tax free (ie as a deductible expense). Most European governments restrict this relief to 6-12 months. The staff engaged from abroad are paid their salaries in their home countries and so pay no UK PAYE or NIC. In effect they occupy UK jobs, use services provided by the UK taxpayer and pay nothing in return except the VAT on their expenditure. It is a tax fiddle more than a globalised wage arbitrage. If these overseas workers and their employers had to pay their housing, travel and other costs out of taxed income then there would be almost no cost advantage of bringing them here.

Of course, the companies would still have the option of full overseas outsourcing but that is more risky, difficult to organise and expensive to run than many realise which is why many corporations prefer the internal staff transfer from abroad routine

The ironic part of all this is that most of HP's business in the UK is in support of the government sector. The UK is paying an American company to make it's own citizens redundant, funneling UK taxpayers' money to overseas workers.

From the standpoint of economic strategy, this makes absolutely no sense. New Labour expanded the size of government in order to increase income equality (supposedly), but if all the gov't jobs are outsourced to overseas labour, this only leads to national bankruptcy.

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You want a free market in labour, here it is in action. Funny how many mouthpieces for laissez faire free market capitalism are up in arms now the kinds of jobs they might be making a living from are at threat.

totally agree,thats capitalism for you.people on here complain about the public sector, non jobs,pensions,pay etc. they offer value for money when compared to the IT proffesion. Often thought,most of them were overpaid lazy arses.

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totally agree,thats capitalism for you.people on here complain about the public sector, non jobs,pensions,pay etc. they offer value for money when compared to the IT proffesion. Often thought,most of them were overpaid lazy arses.

Just like your writing style and attitude.

If you want to debate then you should at least provide more than a narrow minded personal opinion. But I guess that might require a modicum of intelligence.

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