New Documentary On Chemtrails

[Pole]

I've seen a lot of credible stuff from G. Edward Griffin in the past. I've initially dismissed chemtrails but now looks like there's something really weird going on...

[1929crash]

I heard an interview with him on the radio.

I'm not sure whether they exist, and that's at least in part to the skies over south wales being grey and cloud covered most of the time.

Perhaps we should do a poll asking members what they think?

[Number79]

I heard an interview with him on the radio.

I'm not sure whether they exist, and that's at least in part to the skies over south wales being grey and cloud covered most of the time.

Perhaps we should do a poll asking members what they think?

Interesting. Will definately watch that when it gets put on youtube.

[Reck B]

If they can do it, they will.

And they can.

[AteMoose]

Its the same problem as deepwater horizon, if you put all the planes up the sky and sprayed at the same time it would be a drop in the ocean. There is ALOT of sky, and not enough planes, you could spray a small area like a city but a country is too big, and the world well what's the point.

This is Eyjafjallajökull, it was emmitting 200 tonnes of ash a second! but it was a thin train of ash for 1000->2000 miles of sky. You need to emit 500+tonnes per second to cover a small country like the uk. Ash is going to hang around so dont say chemicals are more effective, spraying from a high altitude is ineffective. because of this problem you need to be low. The trails are obviously water vapour, the size of the trails is many times bigger than the planes, you wouldnt be able to fit that much gas/checmicals/substance into a plane and spray that much for more than a second or two. Cloud seeding is completely different, your making clouds from something else so you dont need as much checmicals...

[ntb]

Hmmm. For a fraction of the price of a movie you could charter a research plane and go for a little ride. Maybe fly through these 'chemtrails' with some sampling equipment just for kicks and I guess afterwards if you don't have anything better to do, you could put a sample through a mass spectrometer. Still, that won't make as much money as a movie and we wouldn't want to disappoint all those tinfoilers with tales of water vapour and traces of partially burned kerosene would we?

[Pole]

Hmmm. For a fraction of the price of a movie you could charter a research plane and go for a little ride. Maybe fly through these 'chemtrails' with some sampling equipment just for kicks and I guess afterwards if you don't have anything better to do, you could put a sample through a mass spectrometer. Still, that won't make as much money as a movie and we wouldn't want to disappoint all those tinfoilers with tales of water vapour and traces of partially burned kerosene would we?

wake up, buddy:

Official Ministry of Defence Report (Guardian)

One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

[ntb]

Oh come off it. Dodgy military experiments in bygone years have no relevance to the debate over what's coming out of the **** end of an EasyJet on its way to Benidorm. We know the military has done dumbass things and probably still does. If you want to assert that they're crop spraying the entire planet go get some samples and have them analysed.

[Pole]

Oh come off it. Dodgy military experiments in bygone years have no relevance to the debate over what's coming out of the **** end of an EasyJet on its way to Benidorm. We know the military has done dumbass things and probably still does. If you want to assert that they're crop spraying the entire planet go get some samples and have them analysed.

from the article:

Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'

But surely, I know, we can always trust the ruling elite - all they want is our well-being.

[ntb]

No, we can't trust the ruling elite and yes, someone's military somewhere is likely to be up to no good. This has no bearing on whether condensation trails contain deliberately introduced material whether for innocent or conspiratorial reasons. The point being, this one is easy to prove or disprove scientifically by sampling and analysis. None of the believers have bothered to organise this relatively straightforward action which suggests that they would rather 'believe' than determine the truth.

[jackpot06]

Its happening all the time, most days of the week , its just we are programmed to not look up

[jackpot06]

When you know what you are looking for you can easily spot the difference between Chems and Con trails --most day we are sprayed like bugs

[ntb]

Its happening all the time, most days of the week , its just we are programmed to not look up

Of course it is. You can't have fossil fuel powered air travel without contrails. Go get the samples if you think its anything more sinister. Belief is not enough.

[jackpot06]

Its got nothing to do with belief --and everything to do with educating yourself out of laziness and 'programming ' and taking the trouble to look at the skies and educating yourself ...

[jackpot06]

Subliminal chemtrail programming is everywhere; in adverts and T.V. programmes,

[jackpot06]

Look -look -look --us being heavily chemmed day in and day out in the U.K. is the biggest threat to our health ...ever...

[jackpot06]

Brilliant expose of the structure of a chemtrail altered sun

[ntb]

You're confusing supposition with evidence. Just because you think that certain pictures of the sky indicate something does not mean that it is true. You are actually operating in a closed minded mode - you are convinced that it's true and therefore see no need to test your theory and produce some hard evidence. This is unfortunate since its the most easily testable tinfoil theory I can think of. A rigorously conducted exercise of sampling the trails and suitable control samples, run through a mass spectrometer would provide clear and conclusive evidence. Instead, you show me pictures of a man in a gorilla suit and tell me that Yeti's exist.

[Pole]

You're confusing supposition with evidence. Just because you think that certain pictures of the sky indicate something does not mean that it is true. You are actually operating in a closed minded mode - you are convinced that it's true and therefore see no need to test your theory and produce some hard evidence. This is unfortunate since its the most easily testable tinfoil theory I can think of. A rigorously conducted exercise of sampling the trails and suitable control samples, run through a mass spectrometer would provide clear and conclusive evidence. Instead, you show me pictures of a man in a gorilla suit and tell me that Yeti's exist.

So far, Edward Griffin's publications haven't disappointed me. So, let's wait and see the movie - I hope that this time his research was conducted properly, too.

[Number79]

Had a poke around the internet. Tonnes of stuff to read and listen to. Much of it credible imo just like the recent reports released by the government.

I was walking to the shops yesterday and looked up, there were several planes in the relatively clear sky. I did wonder how some left no trail at all yet others left the familiar trail which I always assumed to be exhaust from the engines. Not sure if it means anything at all and seems less likely that it was chem trails since that would mean that it is happening literally ALL of the time. I will be looking up far more now though probably.

[frozen_out]

These can't be chemtrails.

2 reasons:

1: An operation on the scale suggested would simply be too big to keep under wraps

2: Anyone can take an air sample and send it to be analysed by GC-MS at a commercial laboratory

[shipbuilder]

Environmentalists have been shouting about industrial pollution for decades, where were these people?

What I love about the conspiracy movement is their sudden concern for the oppressed and the environment, something the left, whom they despise, has been pointing out for decades and longer. Why now? Perhaps they've noticed that their slice of the capitalist dream isn't what they were promised, so suddenly it's the fault of the socialists all along?

People reading all this stuff (whether it is true or not) need to understand the ideological motivations behind it - they can see it in the Guardian the BBC, the EU, but not in infowars. Perhaps they need to consider that they're not as open minded as they claim.

[Number79]

This hasn't exactly been kept under wraps. Chem trails are not a new thing. Google operation "cloverleaf". As for this being a massive operation, it appears that many commercial aircraft may be fitted with aerosols that are controlled by computer and satelite.

Watch this on the german news about german military planes laying chem trails

The interviews in this link appear to explain why chem trails were used to begin with, something about bearium salt being used in the atmosphere to aid military communication. http://freeordie.org/what-are-chemtrails/

[Number79]

The areas hilighted in that report, Bielefeld, Paderborn etc are where the NATO forces are based so is this a covert aerial attack on NATO forces then?

If so why havent the NATO forces responded?

here are no NATO forces just British camps. Paderborn has several british camps but they are spread about around a large town. Bielefeld has very little if anything British anymore.

Covert attack? By the Germans on Brits living among hundreds of times more german civillians?

Yes I would dare say some Govt will no doubt be testing some delivery systems to seed rain clouds for example but this just seems to crackpot for me. They might also be testing their radar systems to monitor cloud disperal in the event of a war but isnt there some agreement to say chemical warfare is banned including testing and development?

Did you not watch the report? The german military admitted carrying out tests but claimed that the material dropped was safe. They admitted doing it. How is that crackpot?

Read the page at 56 seconds. They are doing it. What they are doing and what they are dropping are the only questions left.

[up2late]

"between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli"

I have proof that widescale spraying of E coli is still taking place: