cardiffone Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 She's a GRADE 'A' rampa - like all the others! She had other programs on, to do whole streets up specifically aimed to UP everyones house price! Der, if the houses and streets where improved of course they should justify a hike in value..... der Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Der, if the houses and streets where improved of course they should justify a hike in value..... der MAY BEE I should have said by degrEE bEEny was "GRADE AAA" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Der, if the houses and streets where improved of course they should justify a hike in value..... der Exactly! That share of the increased value was a fair reward for honest work. The unfair share of the hikes in prices was the part pushed up by the government's loose monetary policy! That was just house price inflation! That is the important difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) Exactly! That share of the increased value was a fair reward for honest work. The unfair share of the hikes in prices was the part pushed up by the government's loose monetary policy! That was just house price inflation! That is the important difference. No you stalker! It was proxy work for the elites/city bank controllers future profits from increased interest - ramping prices up & pricing out the next generation Are you blind as well as dumb_founded? Edited October 6, 2010 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 the main cause was specualtive mania across the public,govts and CB's,all looking for a free lunch.everything derives from that.to say she and otehrs in the media are innocent is a little naieve.she and otehrs like her,spurred demand.but,ultimately,joe public watches TV,votes and borrows money to play ponzi.he could have stopped the bubble in it's tracks. Yes they were riding the bubble, many were, millions, of course. But the conductor's baton is the monetary policy. We can't confuse cause and consequence here. It is important to allocate the blame to those who deserve it the most: the monetary authorities (FSA and BoE) and the Labour Government, mainly Gordon Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 No you stalker! You wrote to me first! And I am not being rude or anything. Just putting sensible arguments! It was proxy work for the elites/city bank controllers future profits from increased interest - ramping prices up & pricing out the next generation Are you blind as well as dumb_founded? Quite the opposite. My main goal is to blame the main culprits: the monetary authorities (FSA and BoE) and the Labour Government, mainly Gordon Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You wrote to me first! And I am not being rude or anything. Just putting sensible arguments! Quite the opposite. My main goal is to blame the main culprits: the monetary authorities (FSA and BoE) and the Labour Government, mainly Gordon Brown. You called me a nazi the other day & posted something I said - out of context Put it this way - they ALL led the UK population on hand in hand! The power thru the medium of TV is huge and ALL the presenters abused their responsibility to the viewers and privileged position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Hampstead Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 This missed the whole point - she's gone into revamping her persona to get away from her dirty deeds without acknowledging what she led millions of people into. Loads of people keep making excuses for her - which is B@llox! She's 100% GUILTY as all the rest of the property rampers! No She always warned that a lot of profit made was only due to the market and gave sound advice to the sometimes stupid dabblers in property development. She cannot be compared to the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blod Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 "Peer pressure" or Sarah Beeney would not be able to push UK HP up if interest rates were higher. IRs and mortgage availability are much, much powerful factors than anything else. Sarah 9and the others) were much more a consequence of the bubble than a cause of it. BTW, at the end of 2007 and in 2008-9 all those shows were still on air... Erranta, please accept it: it was Labour's fault. I am sorry, but this is a fact. +1 I think that successive governments helped sow the seeds and then NuLabour then just raped the field. They could have tamed the housing market but didn’t and it’s that that is their legacy. Beeny wasn’t the worst, Homes under the hammer is still spouting the same crap and as far as I know still in production. With Nulabour’s big state mentality you’d have thought that they’d have forced the producers to put warnings into the shows that prices could go down as well as up. It just shows how a few people with vested interests in the right place can change the public’s mind. The proposed changes to children’s tax credits is a case in point, 80% odd of the public support it yet it’s obvious from the MSM that they have a vested interest in the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You called me a nazi No I didn't. I said that being both a nationalist and socialist was a dangerous combination. Scary. And it is. And I allowed for the possibility that the cause was misinformation. So I posted you a link to Lloyds share prices (bank's owners lost virtually everything) and immigration numbers (not as bad as the tabloids imply). Remember? Be fair now please. Answer me this: Where you aware of these 2 facts? And now that you are, didn't your socialist and nationalist views became at least a bit less "intense"? the other day & posted something I said - out of context Yes, I remember you saying that. But it wasn't the case at all. To be frank, I am not sure you know what "out of context" actually means. Sorry if I am wrong here. Put it this way - they ALL led the UK population on hand in hand! The power thru the medium of TV is huge and ALL the presenters abused their responsibility to the viewers and privileged position! I agree that the power of TV is huge. But if the people can't afford the monthly payment they won't get the mortgage. Or if the FSA had regulated LTV, or multiple of income, etc. Finances were the main root cause. It was mainly Gordon Brown's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think you jsut have. you can't absolve joe public fo blame jsut because he was a victim of his own stupidity. You can't expect "joe public" to know macroeconomics. We live in a representative democracy, and we delegate power, for 5 years, to politicians and experts (monetary authorities) to do their jobs. (This is a long settled issue in both economic policy and political philosophy.) They have failed "Joe Public". Mainly Greenspan in the Fed, and Brown here. And were deservedly voted out of office/fired here and there. (Well, Mervyn survived... for now.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 +1 I think that successive governments helped sow the seeds and then NuLabour then just raped the field. They could have tamed the housing market but didn’t and it’s that that is their legacy. Beeny wasn’t the worst, Homes under the hammer is still spouting the same crap and as far as I know still in production. With Nulabour’s big state mentality you’d have thought that they’d have forced the producers to put warnings into the shows that prices could go down as well as up. It just shows how a few people with vested interests in the right place can change the public’s mind. The proposed changes to children’s tax credits is a case in point, 80% odd of the public support it yet it’s obvious from the MSM that they have a vested interest in the issue. Very good point re. MSM VI on children's benefits cuts. I think you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fool's Gold Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 So why does the sex industry exist then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugarflux Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Ever watched Bruce Parry, visited South America and had a stomach bug? Have you ever heard someone singing badly and blamed Simon Cowell? Been bitten by an animal after watching Steve Irwin? Blaming the Bean for high house prices is the equivalent of blaming Cilla Black for going on a bad blind date... TV is a powerful advertising medium. There's no doubt about it. But if Property Ladder is to blame for house price over-inflation then wouldn't all those developers have spent their ill-gotten gains on ab-expanders and car insurance that they unconsciously absorbed in the advert breaks? ~S~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erranta Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) I agree that the power of TV is huge. But if the people can't afford the monthly payment they won't get the mortgage. Or if the FSA had regulated LTV, or multiple of income, etc. Finances were the main root cause. It was mainly Gordon Brown's fault. You've lost the plot - this is a Sarah Beeny Thread (I completely agree and would enhance on what you say about Govt and financiers if it woz right thread!) What I will NOT put up with is people fawning over Beeny and absolving her of her TV House Ramping complicity and Beeing a 100% Guilty conspiritor! Edited October 6, 2010 by erranta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustAnotherProle Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) You've lost the plot - this is a Sarah Beeny Thread Indeed it is, take your bickering elsewhere or start your own thread, this is pure Beeney discussion or at a push Krusty may be mentioned in context, defo not GB or anyone else...now back to Beeney please ladies and gents...I thank you Edited October 6, 2010 by JustAnotherProle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Quite the opposite. My main goal is to blame the main culprits: the monetary authorities (FSA and BoE) and the Labour Government, mainly Gordon Brown. They created the conditions where selfish fools could borrow their heads off on many idiotic schemes. They observed it and didn't crack down on it. To me they have the main responsibility for the disaster. Their conditions and control of the economy allowed so many of gambling fools to buy at ever more stupid higher prices. Allowed to borrow again on margin on inflated assets values and send values to ever new heights. Now they've titled things so a lot of the fools and others who have done well out of rapidly rising house prices, don't lose out to keep prices high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assetrichcashpoor Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I always thought Sarah was right on the money. When people had made a dogs dinner out of their development and had been saved by the rising market she always let them know, and pointed out that the next house they'd buy would be that much more expensive because the market had risen. The real cuplrits are the Labour government, the BoE and the mainstream house owning population who were very happy for prices to rise at 10%+ per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agentimmo Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I know 2 people in the UK who quoted me "Property Ladder" as a reason they got into buying/renovating/selling 1/2 bed flats. They started around 2004. The banks are the main culprits, but the media and property shows must carry a portion of the blame. Every week, they showed some ordinary Joe walking off with a years or more salary for the equivalent of 6 week's work. "Advertising" for the industry, imo. Much like the Lotto ads showing winners and a big voice booming "It Could Be You". Both designed to suck in the punters. Beeny is guilty as charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I always thought Sarah was right on the money. When people had made a dogs dinner out of their development and had been saved by the rising market she always let them know, and pointed out that the next house they'd buy would be that much more expensive because the market had risen. The real cuplrits are the Labour government, the BoE and the mainstream house owning population who were very happy for prices to rise at 10%+ per year. Exactly. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tired of Waiting Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You've lost the plot - this is a Sarah Beeny Thread (I completely agree and would enhance on what you say about Govt and financiers if it woz right thread!) What I will NOT put up with is people fawning over Beeny and absolving her of her TV House Ramping complicity and Beeing a 100% Guilty conspiritor! OK, fair enough-ish. Now I understand your point a bit better, and I kind of agree with you - partially... Peace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpleasant Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 In years to come, many a student will earn a Ph.D. explaining how property mania ruined the West. Beeney and her like will almost certainly have a chapter. She was definitely a saner voice than most, but she can't deny the main point of the programme was to show ordinary people making money from property. The real tragedy for the British people was that it was an idea sanctioned by its own government. With Gordon at the helm, d*ck in one hand and the latest GDP figures in the other. It's history now. Years ago, during the infamous Winter of Discontent, there was a story of a man who managed to get his weekly rubbish collected without fail. He put it in Harrods bags and left it on the back seat of his unlocked car. Once you accept human nature, blame seems a bit pointless. Just accept that's the way it is and use it to your best advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Good points on both sides. I do agree that she was not the worst of the bunch. She did point out the rising market 'saving' people. However that doesn't mean she can be absolved for ramping of the market. Fact is her show was a basic advert for buying a 'property' painting it white and selling for a massive 'profit'. I also dount she was in charge of all the production decisions. She is a presenter. I imagine there are punteres behind the scenes who chose what was included and what was not. And let us not forget the sham that was property SNAKES and ladders last year. A complete sham from start to finish. She was part of it. Her trying to deny it is a bit of a joke. Just because she gave some decent advice and didn't produce the show does not mean she is absolved of all involvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtickle Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Please would you explain, expand, expound and exposit on why you called PSAL a sham? From my point of view it contained some of the most explicit bare-faced home truths about the housing market that have been kept off TV and out of the newspapers for years. Each week there were interviews with financiers of varying calibre on the state of the housing market. One quote nearly knocked me out of my chair! "The housing market can't start to recover until prices are back down to the long-term average" Beeney should be praised for having the guts to broadcast that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekking Posted October 7, 2010 Share Posted October 7, 2010 Big tits never advised or pushed anyone to buy anything. Oh, I don't know. I would buy her a drink if she was standing at the bar :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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