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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8042568/Prisoners-to-earn-minimum-wage.html

Inmates will effectively be required to do full-time jobs in jail, the Justice Secretary will say.

In exchange, they will earn a "real" wage. Much of the money will be withheld and paid to victims' support funds.

Prisoners who work are paid at least £4 a week, but several schemes allow inmates to earn much more. The average prisoner who works is paid about £10 a week.

The Justice Secretary will announce that under his plan, prisoners could get the minimum wage of £5.60 an hour.

Much of the money they earn will be withheld by prison governors. Some money will be used for a new Victims' Fund and some could help pay for the prison system.

Mr Clarke's aides said last night that prisoners would not be substantially better off.

The average working prisoner might keep about £20 for a 40-hour week, they said.

However, the prospect of inmates getting large pay rises could prove controversial.

Prisoners are not paid in cash but receive "credits" to buy controlled items including phonecards and tobacco.

Most prisons offer inmates the chance to do paid work in kitchens, laundries and gardens. Attending education, training and rehabilitation programmes also earns payments.

Mr Clarke will tell the Conservative grassroots today that making prisoners work will ultimately make it less likely that they will return to jail.

The ultimate strike breaking workforce?

And I notice mr. Clark has either missed economics 101 or he's a corrupt shithouse with mates getting paid out by prison contracts somewhere.

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Fuck me!!! Even the prisoners are going to better off than some poor bastard working at Sainsburys stacking shelves on NMW, they get free board, lodgings and three square meals a day.

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Fuck me!!! Even the prisoners are going to better off than some poor bastard working at Sainsburys stacking shelves on NMW, they get free board, lodgings and three square meals a day.

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Yep, that's exactly what ran through my mind.

Go to prison and your accommodation, heating and clothing is taken care of, you can get free training / education and access to fitness equipment, 3 meals a day gratis and now you get to have a job paying minimum wage - something that might be tough for you to get on the outside!

I can see the slogans now:

"Go to prison to save your deposit"

:lol:

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Yep, that's exactly what ran through my mind.

Go to prison and your accommodation, heating and clothing is taken care of, you can get free training / education and access to fitness equipment, 3 meals a day gratis and now you get to have a job paying minimum wage - something that might be tough for you to get on the outside!

I can see the slogans now:

"Go to prison to save your deposit"

:lol:

How about -

Can't find work.

Struggle to make ends meet.

After a heart wrenching couple of sleepless nights with an empty belly, steal.

Get caught.

Now you have a job.

Awesome system. :rolleyes:

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Question is what jobs are there? In that there are not exactly 1000s of jobs out there are there?

But in a statist evil system (since it exists) prison should not be like it is now, i.e. £40K per prisoner per year. Maybe we can outsource it to China or something or maybe Iraq.

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Becoming a minimum wage slave and seeing 95% of their earnings "disappear" will stand them in good stead for the outside world.

They'll be queing up to get back into prison, it'll probably be harder actually due to the cuts in the police budget.

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Becoming a minimum wage slave and seeing 95% of their earnings "disappear" will stand them in good stead for the outside world.

They'll be queing up to get back into prison, it'll probably be harder actually due to the cuts in the police budget.

There was a story actually about 2 years ago when somebody broke back into prison, probably expect to see more of this.

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In the US prisons are profit making enterprises (though even they are struggling now against chinese outsourcing!)

So I imagine the longer term aim is to make prison self funding- which has the advantage of making it cost effective to build more prisons, just in time to house the wave of the soon to be dispossessed.

Of course there is an issue with moral hazard here- in the US some judges had a nice sideline in supplying cheap labour to the local prisons in return for kickbacks- and- strange as it may seem- these same judges convicted more people and handed down longer sentences.

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So unless the government is planning to make a loss, this is what they have to offer:

12% HIV+

30% mentally ill

50%+ drug problems

65% functionally illiterate

less than glowing references

can't work flexible hours

can't work during security problems, court dates etc

can't work outside of a carefully defined secure setting - that someone has to pay to set up

Now seeing as I know at least half a dozen recent uni graduates who are currently working for minimum wage, this is gonna be one heck of a tough sell to potential employers!

I suspect this policy is a bit like party conference classic where they promise longer sentences for everyone, until they work out how expensive prisons are and quietly introduce massive 'early release' schemes.

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Work Vs Prison

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IN PRISON you spend the majority of your time in an 8x10 cell.

AT WORK you spend most of your time in a 6x8 cubicle.

IN PRISON you get three meals a day.

AT WORK you only get a break for 1 meal and you have to pay for it.

IN PRISON you get time off for good behaviour.

AT WORK you get rewarded for good behaviour with more work.

IN PRISON a guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you.

AT WORK you must carry around a security card and unlock and open all the doors yourself.

IN PRISON you can watch TV and play games.

AT WORK you get fired for watching TV and playing games.

IN PRISON you get your own toilet.

AT WORK you have to share.

IN PRISON they allow your family and friends to visit.

AT WORK you cannot even speak to your family and friends.

IN PRISON all expenses are paid by taxpayers with no work required.

AT WORK you get to pay all the expenses to go to work and then they deduct taxes from your salary to pay for prisoners.

IN PRISON you spend most of your life looking through bars from the inside wanting to get out.

AT WORK you spend most of your time wanting to get out and inside bars.

IN PRISON there are wardens who are often sadistic.

AT WORK they are called managers.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8042568/Prisoners-to-earn-minimum-wage.html

The ultimate strike breaking workforce?

And I notice mr. Clark has either missed economics 101 or he's a corrupt shithouse with mates getting paid out by prison contracts somewhere.

Will they work or will they have the option of £26000 benefits payment if they don't want to do anything. <_<

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So unless the government is planning to make a loss, this is what they have to offer:

12% HIV+

30% mentally ill

50%+ drug problems

65% functionally illiterate

less than glowing references

can't work flexible hours

can't work during security problems, court dates etc

can't work outside of a carefully defined secure setting - that someone has to pay to set up

Um did you describe the UK population in general there or what? :P

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Still trying to work out how you make someone in prison work. Its not like you can lock them up if they don't do what you want.

Plus if you piss them off they riot and then the cleanup cost is enormous.

What work are they going to do ?

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I know the whole thing is sort of frowned upon these days, but just think what fantastic value for money Albert Pierrepoint was.

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The ultimate strike breaking workforce?

And I notice mr. Clark has either missed economics 101 or he's a corrupt shithouse with mates getting paid out by prison contracts somewhere.

Yes, the only reason for paying minimum wage is to allow them to legally compete with those of us yet to be convicted.

Slave labour camps here we come...

34 in a 30 zone - 24 months hard labour and may god have mercy on your soul.

Nice to know we've learnt something from the Chinese.

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Of course there is an issue with moral hazard here- in the US some judges had a nice sideline in supplying cheap labour to the local prisons in return for kickbacks- and- strange as it may seem- these same judges convicted more people and handed down longer sentences.

+1

There have been some really disturbing cases coming out in the US. Also judges supplying private "juvenile delinquent" homes with well behaved kids for kick backs. I despair at this world sometimes.

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Work Vs Prison

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IN PRISON you spend the majority of your time in an 8x10 cell.

AT WORK you spend most of your time in a 6x8 cubicle.

IN PRISON you get three meals a day.

AT WORK you only get a break for 1 meal and you have to pay for it.

IN PRISON you get time off for good behaviour.

AT WORK you get rewarded for good behaviour with more work.

IN PRISON a guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you.

AT WORK you must carry around a security card and unlock and open all the doors yourself.

IN PRISON you can watch TV and play games.

AT WORK you get fired for watching TV and playing games.

IN PRISON you get your own toilet.

AT WORK you have to share.

IN PRISON they allow your family and friends to visit.

AT WORK you cannot even speak to your family and friends.

IN PRISON all expenses are paid by taxpayers with no work required.

AT WORK you get to pay all the expenses to go to work and then they deduct taxes from your salary to pay for prisoners.

IN PRISON you spend most of your life looking through bars from the inside wanting to get out.

AT WORK you spend most of your time wanting to get out and inside bars.

IN PRISON there are wardens who are often sadistic.

AT WORK they are called managers.

And with the lack of work, and unemployment being so high the prisoners are going to be competing with a lot of people, most of them will be signing onto the dole, claiming incapacity and disability living allowance, child tax credit, those lucky enough to get a job will be putting in for working tax credit (unless its youth detention).

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